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[Shrublands]

But ... why is he working for a tabloid?

I don’t know what you know about the British media, but there are those who would say that The Daily Mail is not strictly speaking a tabloid, but a mid-market newspaper.

(Incidentally, I’m not one of them – I’d call it a loathsome rag, but that’s another story)

It might be printed in a tabloid format these days, but so are The Independent and Times.

The true tabloids are the red-tops. The Daily Mirror is classified a red-top, even though it has a blue top. Also, it supports the left, which makes it red. So it’s a red, blue topped, red-top.

On the other hand, The Sun is a red-top that does in fact have a red top, that supports the right, the blue. So it’s a blue, red topped, red-top.

Clear?

[Royal Dalton]

Looks like Captain Tightpants has spent all of Saturday Night and Sunday Morning behaving like Scrooge over this rumour. Still, it would be good if a Big Fish like Albert Finney was involved. He's quite The Entertainer. Maybe they could even get Tom Jones to perform the theme song?

[Jim]

Looks like Captain Tightpants has spent all of Saturday Night and Sunday Morning behaving like Scrooge over this rumour. Still, it would be good if a Big Fish like Albert Finney was involved. He's quite The Entertainer. Maybe they could even get Tom Jones to perform the theme song?

Arf!

[marktmurphy]

To be fair, that was happening. Arnold and Ronson both confirmed it was happening but fell through. So nothing wrong with reporting it.

I don't rememner anything about that. And given the way EON took demo tapes from artists, I doubt Winehouse got much futher than a demo tape of her own.

Yeah; I've tried to find the quote but only turned this up: http://blogs.indiewi...s_007_wishlist/
He does say he even spent time with her. Much like he was involved in Another Way to Die to a little extent.

[d21089]

mark ronson has said a few times that they stopped working together after the Bond theme fell through because she couldn't record the demo and he felt she ruined his chance to record a Bond theme - but i understand she was asked to do the demo by EON but it never got recorded even in demo form due to her state

Edited by d21089, 31 October 2011 - 04:22 PM.

[Vauxhall]

Also, Bamigboye genuinely cares about film, theatre etc. and respects filmmakers and actors.

Then why the hell is he working for a tabloid? Working for a tabloid suggests one only cares about headlines.

I think that's a bit unfair in this day and age of journalism. Admittedly, a lot of very poor excuses for the profession work in tabloids, but some of the best journalists of this era also work in tabloids, so I don't think we can generalise too much. I don't know too much about Mr Bamigboye's work, but it seems that he's had some good Bond scoops over the past few years, and doesn't tend to sensationalise for the sake of doing so.

[DaveBond21]

This would be a fun thread if it weren't for one miserable poster. Any way to ignore someone's threads?



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[Captain Tightpants]

Looks like Captain Tightpants has spent all of Saturday Night and Sunday Morning behaving like Scrooge over this rumour.

No, I'm just preaching my usual caution over this. Because I know that if BOND 23 does not feature Albert Finney, there's going to be a lot of people who get upset over it because they assumed it was in - and they're going to ignore anyone who says "Well, you believed a tabloid rumour, so what did you expect?"

[univex]

Looks like Captain Tightpants has spent all of Saturday Night and Sunday Morning behaving like Scrooge over this rumour.

No, I'm just preaching my usual caution over this. Because I know that if BOND 23 does not feature Albert Finney, there's going to be a lot of people who get upset over it because they assumed it was in - and they're going to ignore anyone who says "Well, you believed a tabloid rumour, so what did you expect?"

Why do you care so much? This "Beware of the onirical lie! Dread the unofficial! Do not dare to dream for you will be disapointed when you wake up! Death to the boy who cried wolf! Tomorrow always lies" rootine is getting very tyresome. Just LET IT BE, man! Don´t care so much, we´re all adults with our own minds over here (well, most of us anyway)! I´ve begun these direct posts to you as a friend who didn´t want to see you trashed, but even I am tired of this thought-fashism. Worst thing is, I know you mean well, but enough is enough. Just be a friend, not a father, nor a despot.

Edited by univex, 01 November 2011 - 02:19 AM.

[Captain Tightpants]

Because I saw what happened with QUANTUM OF SOLACE (particularly on the other forums - it might be the other forums, but I know several people post on both): rumours were poured on thick and fast, and people started getting carried away with it, and when those rumours didn't pan out, they reacted very poorly. For example, when Jack White and Alicia Keys were announced as the title performers, some members deliberately and repeatedly drove threads off-topic, demanding to know why Amy Winehouse was not performing the theme. They generally made life miserable for everyone, and a lot of people got fed up with it. And - shock, horror - they didn't like it when someone said "I told you so". So excuse me if I'm playing the long game on this one. I know the MI6 Forums lost a lot of members when they changed their format without warning, and I know that a lot of those members found their way over here. I can forsee this being a problem in the future, which is why I preach caution.

[univex]

They generally made life miserable for everyone, and a lot of people got fed up with it.

But in doing so you end up doing this all the same. We don´t need a preacher. A friend, , a preacher,

PS: when you´re not preaching doom, you´re quite the nice fellow fan and knowledgeable fan. JUST STOP THE THOUGHT POLICE ROOTINE. please? pretty please? if you please? And the "other forum" is just NOT Cbn. Trust me. I´ve been to all of them. Just chill.

[Jim]

Looks like Captain Tightpants has spent all of Saturday Night and Sunday Morning behaving like Scrooge over this rumour.

No, I'm just preaching my usual caution over this. Because I know that if BOND 23 does not feature Albert Finney, there's going to be a lot of people who get upset over it because they assumed it was in - and they're going to ignore anyone who says "Well, you believed a tabloid rumour, so what did you expect?"

Why do you care so much? This "Beware of the onirical lie! Dread the unofficial! Do not dare to dream for you will be disapointed when you wake up! Death to the boy who cried wolf! Tomorrow always lies" rootine is getting very tyresome. Just LET IT BE, man! Don´t care so much, we´re all adults with our own minds over here (well, most of us anyway)! I´ve begun these direct posts to you as a friend who didn´t want to see you trashed, but even I am tired of this thought-fashism. Worst thing is, I know you mean well, but enough is enough. Just be a friend, not a father, nor a despot.

Quite. Rein yourself in, Captain. Experience dictates that people don't really care, and/or come here full in the knowledge that the stuff may be untrue as this is a pastime not a lifestyle and no-one round here has anything depending on it and simply use the place as an amusement, and/or will forget about it unless someone keeps popping up telling them that they're foolish to have believed it. What if they do? Shame on that anonymous username! Arrival at the Pearly Gates / equivalent and St Peter's there with his big book declaiming that "Yoooou believed the one about Bond being a pelican....straight downstairs for you, Double-O'Connor23!" For a variety of reasons that isn't going to happen.

One suspects that there's probably a demand for bewilderingly inconsistent rubbish passing itself off as James Bond; must be if one's sat through Die Another Day. The decade kicking about this place has taught me that the members don't need a truth hero, tight of pants or otherwise. Additionally, this place is only big enough for one despot. Hi.

[marktmurphy]

Because I saw what happened with QUANTUM OF SOLACE (particularly on the other forums - it might be the other forums, but I know several people post on both): rumours were poured on thick and fast, and people started getting carried away with it, and when those rumours didn't pan out, they reacted very poorly. For example, when Jack White and Alicia Keys were announced as the title performers, some members deliberately and repeatedly drove threads off-topic, demanding to know why Amy Winehouse was not performing the theme. They generally made life miserable for everyone, and a lot of people got fed up with it. And - shock, horror - they didn't like it when someone said "I told you so".

Thing is; that's a bad example. Winehouse was going to do it; Arnold was working with them. The papers were correct to report it because at the time it was true. You may as well get angry at the end credits of Spy Who Loved Me because it promises the next movie will be called For Your Eyes Only. If you said 'I told you so' that it wouldn't have been called that, you'd have been wrong.
Plus it's not as if Jack White hadn't been rumoured, so you'd have been wrong not to pay attention to those.

[Captain Tightpants]

It was four years ago, and the best example that I could recall.

[Shrublands]

It was four years ago, and the best example that I could recall.

But giving an example of where the tabloids were right, does not illustrate your point very well, does it?

And if that was the best example you could come-up with, it makes the point even less valid.

[Captain Tightpants]

Fine, bad example. But surely you can see the point I was trying to make: people get so wrapped up in believing rumours, that when things don't play out the way they believed they would, they can take it very poorly.

[Shrublands]

Fine, bad example. But surely you can see the point I was trying to make: people get so wrapped up in believing rumours, that when things don't play out the way they believed they would, they can take it very poorly.

I haven’t seen much evidence of people reacting like that, to be honest.

I think it might be less confrontational of you to just let them worry about what they do and do not believe for themselves.

Anyway, back to talking about Bond and Albert Finney…

This is what Harry Saltzman had to say about one of the reasons they cast Sean Connery back in the 60s.

“There's only one other actor who moves as well as he (Connery) does, and that's Albert Finney. They move like cats. For a big man to be light on his feet is most unusual.”

Of course, Saltzman had already cast Finney in ‘The Entertainer’ and ‘Saturday Night, Sunday Morning’.
A few nice connections there.

[univex]

Fine, bad example. But surely you can see the point I was trying to make: people get so wrapped up in believing rumours, that when things don't play out the way they believed they would, they can take it very poorly.

I haven’t seen much evidence of people reacting like that, to be honest.

I think it might be less confrontational of you to just let them worry about what they do and do not believe for themselves.

Anyway, back to talking about Bond and Albert Finney…

This is what Harry Saltzman had to say about one of the reasons they cast Sean Connery back in the 60s.

“There's only one other actor who moves as well as he (Connery) does, and that's Albert Finney. They move like cats. For a big man to be light on his feet is most unusual.”

Of course, Saltzman had already cast Finney in ‘The Entertainer’ and ‘Saturday Night, Sunday Morning’.
A few nice connections there.

Thanks for that! Top notch research as usual

[univex]

Fine, bad example. But surely you can see the point I was trying to make: people get so wrapped up in believing rumours, that when things don't play out the way they believed they would, they can take it very poorly.

That Lawrence quote you have as signature sums it up quite nicely doesn´t it? Of course if Mr. T.E.Lawrence hadn´t been given the oportunity or the will power to dream away, he wouldn´t be known at all would he? One can not suppose to know when or if it is right for people to dream. It´s a personal matter you see? Being an educator is not being a dreammonger - and I suppose you know that. Did you by any chance took a desconstruction of belief or a dismantle of expectations poorly at some point in your life? Probably. We all did. It´s called living. Dream and let dream away Cap, sure dreaming with your eyes open is dangerous, like the man said, but it has also been the main fuel for mankind for over 200.000 years. Man will tumble, it´s the only way for us to learn how to get up, you see? Have a break from teaching here. We all do - have a break. It´s supposed to be FUN. Cheers.

[Germanlady]

The whole bit hasn't started yet and already people are knee deep into the old discussion of "even being allowed to discuss tabloid fodder or not". I think, its high time, the mods stamp their feet and make a decision - either way. Its tiring to see those discussion surrounding Tightpants. Its the same argument, we have had with that guy Jeremy ( he felt, he needed to point out to everybody, that tabloids are not reliable sources, which is rather ridiculous in itsself, as everybody KNOWS that anyway) - IMO give out rules NOW, so that the fun of seeing a new Bond film coming along won't be spoiled by endless discussions...AND for once, this is not against or for anybody - just make a ing decision, that everybody will feel obliged to follow.

BTW - to those, who argue about overwhelming presence of some posters OR one poster, there will always be those, who devote more or less time to this hobby. This is fine, as not everybody has the time OR the devotion, but IMO, those who post a lot, should feel some sort of responsibility to make evrybody else comfortable. Its as if you are moderating a forum. You have to think of more people then just yourself, because your posts will be those read the most and those, who might make the tone of the forum..

Edited by Germanlady, 01 November 2011 - 12:52 PM.

[marktmurphy]

It was four years ago, and the best example that I could recall.

But it's an example which proves your argument wrong. So you're sort of arguing with yourself here!

[Germanlady]

If that is true, I will be very un happy, but I suppose, not many others are:

Continue reading on Examiner.com Albert Finney is "M" in new Bond 23 - National Celebrity Headlines | Examiner.com http://www.examiner....r#ixzz1cULZ34ac

[Jeff007]

Just saw that. Wasn't Dench confirmed?

[Royal Dalton]

Albert Finney's far too old to be starting out as M. Besides, we already know Judi Dench has got a copy of the script. So, she's obviously going to be in it.

I expect Finney's playing her Whitehall superior, as previously mooted.

[Germanlady]

Just saw that. Wasn't Dench confirmed?

Well, the article says, she was confirmed but is now replaced. Can all be, but does it make sense to recast with an actor almost as old?

[Jim]

Just saw that. Wasn't Dench confirmed?

Well, the article says, she was confirmed but is now replaced. Can all be, but does it make sense to recast with an actor almost as old?

So, for the avoidance of doubt, are you accepting this tabloid rumour as true or not?

[PPK_19]

Unless its part of the story, i.e. "M you are letting Bond run wild, we are replacing you with someone else", then i doubt this is true.

[Germanlady]

Just saw that. Wasn't Dench confirmed?

Well, the article says, she was confirmed but is now replaced. Can all be, but does it make sense to recast with an actor almost as old?

So, for the avoidance of doubt, are you accepting this tabloid rumour as true or not?

I accept it as what it is - as something to discuss, as something to brand as stupid, as something to make with whatever you want. And please don't insult my intelligence with *** questions...

I have seen them make stupid decisions before BTW, which is just spoken in general...

[Captain Tightpants]

Just saw that. Wasn't Dench confirmed?

Well, the article says, she was confirmed but is now replaced. Can all be, but does it make sense to recast with an actor almost as old?

I'd say it's probably a misinterpretation.

It could be interesting if Finney were to play a reimagined Fredrick Grey. Maybe someone who M thinks is self-important and making a grab for power by trying to influence MI6, when in reality he's actually highly competent.

[Shrublands]

If that is true, I will be very un happy, but I suppose, not many others are:

Continue reading on Examiner.com Albert Finney is "M" in new Bond 23 - National Celebrity Headlines | Examiner.com http://www.examiner....r#ixzz1cULZ34ac

It says that it was announced on Tuesday that Finney has been cast as M. We know that is not true and simple has not happened.
They just seem to have got a number of facts jumbled. Funny really - poor things.