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#31 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 08:52 PM

Are the rumours always this good? I've never paid too much attention to them.

The rumours are whatever the tabloids think will sell papers. If they thought they could get more readership out of claims that James Bond will be written as a gay black Jewish gypsy woman with a disability, then they'd write that James Bond will be written as a gay black Jewish gypsy woman with a disability.

But as a High School Teacher, you surely appreciate the value of trying to educate your audience, non?

Yes, but it's not something that simply gets fixed with a snap of your fingers.

#32 Aris007

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:59 PM

I think we kinda missing the case here chaps. What we should argue about is what can this actor-legend bring to the series rather than which film introduced him to each one.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 10:28 PM

I think we kinda missing the case here chaps. What we should argue about is what can this actor-legend bring to the series rather than which film introduced him to each one.

Well, I always thought he would be the perfect M, so, if he is in the film and ends up playing somewhat of a more eccentric power character, I´ll be quite happy. Anyways, I truly believe that any character he brings to the series will be exceptional - if it´s all true that is.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 07:32 AM

Bond's dad.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 10:36 AM


I think we kinda missing the case here chaps. What we should argue about is what can this actor-legend bring to the series rather than which film introduced him to each one.

Well, I always thought he would be the perfect M, so, if he is in the film and ends up playing somewhat of a more eccentric power character, I´ll be quite happy. Anyways, I truly believe that any character he brings to the series will be exceptional - if it´s all true that is.


Touche. I also think that he can bring back the male M that so many long for. And being M's superior can be a good chance for Dame Dench to walk out of the role. I know that the traitor possibility has been mentioned before as a potential and it'd make great sense.
Of course considering that all these rumours are true.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:37 PM

Well it seems official now. Total Film has carried the story, stating that the Daily Mail writer who broke the news has 'pretty good form with Bond rumours'.

Albert Finney joins Bond 23

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:44 PM

Well it seems official now. Total Film has carried the story, stating that the Daily Mail writer who broke the news has 'pretty good form with Bond rumours'.

It's by no means official. Bamigboye might have "pretty good form with Bond rumours", but that doesn't change the fact that he is still dealing in rumours. It's only official when EON or Finney confirm it.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 02:33 PM


Well it seems official now. Total Film has carried the story, stating that the Daily Mail writer who broke the news has 'pretty good form with Bond rumours'.

It's by no means official. Bamigboye might have "pretty good form with Bond rumours", but that doesn't change the fact that he is still dealing in rumours. It's only official when EON or Finney confirm it.


Come on. You know what i mean. A reputable film magazine such as Empire or Total Film wouldn't have ran with the story if they didn't think it was legitimate. Finney's in, anyway, we'll just have to wait till Nov 3rd to hear it 'officially'.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:37 PM



Well it seems official now. Total Film has carried the story, stating that the Daily Mail writer who broke the news has 'pretty good form with Bond rumours'.

It's by no means official. Bamigboye might have "pretty good form with Bond rumours", but that doesn't change the fact that he is still dealing in rumours. It's only official when EON or Finney confirm it.


Come on. You know what i mean. A reputable film magazine such as Empire or Total Film wouldn't have ran with the story if they didn't think it was legitimate. Finney's in, anyway, we'll just have to wait till Nov 3rd to hear it 'officially'.


Total film and Empire usually are quite reliable and at the very least, very reputable publications. If I was working for TF - IF - I would give Bamigboye a call and ask if he was sure about it, before I´d ran it with the title "Albert Finney joins Bond23" instead of , say, "Albert Finney to join Bond23?" or something like that. Anyway, here´s still hoping it´s true.

Edited by univex, 29 October 2011 - 04:38 PM.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 05:42 PM


Are the rumours always this good? I've never paid too much attention to them.

The rumours are whatever the tabloids think will sell papers. If they thought they could get more readership out of claims that James Bond will be written as a gay black Jewish gypsy woman with a disability, then they'd write that James Bond will be written as a gay black Jewish gypsy woman with a disability.

Tightpants, making my posts worthwile since 2011. :D

#41 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:36 AM

A reputable film magazine such as Empire or Total Film wouldn't have ran with the story if they didn't think it was legitimate.

They make it pretty clear that the article comes from a tabloid.

And just because they believe it, that doesn't make it true. Dozens of websites, some with excellent reputations, believed the CARTE BLANCHE rumour from a few months ago. EON issued a denial within twelve hours (probably because it came from a tabloid that a lot of people mistook for being a legitimate source).

Honestly - and I'm sorry, but there's no other way to put this - but you're an idiot if you believe everything you read in the papers. Especially when the only source is a tabloid with a reputation for making things up.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:49 AM


Well it seems official now. Total Film has carried the story, stating that the Daily Mail writer who broke the news has 'pretty good form with Bond rumours'.

It's by no means official. Bamigboye might have "pretty good form with Bond rumours", but that doesn't change the fact that he is still dealing in rumours. It's only official when EON or Finney confirm it.


It's official when (if) Finney signs a contract. That normally happens well before Eon makes a press announcement. Mendes was negotiating with Eon while he claimed it was only speculation (his publicist confirmed that almost at the same time Mendes was making his "specualation" comment to the Wall Street Journal).

I don't know if it's true or not. But it's incorrect to say things are official only when the press announcement goes out. The press announcesment goes out after it's official, i.e. contract signed.

Here's a non show business example. On Sept. 1, 2006, Alan Mulally signed a contract to be the chief executive officer of Ford Motor Co. He was CEO from that point onward (a post he holds today). Ford did not announce this until Sept. 5, 2006. Does that mean Mulally wasn't CEO until Ford or Mulally said so? Of course not.

Bringing this back to Bond 23: chances are any of the principal cast have been signed by now. It's official. It's a binding agreement (money in exchange for acting services). Just because Eon hasn't made a press announcement doesn't mean it's not official.

Note: I'm not endorsing the specific Finney story. But this notion that it's not official until there's a press release is incorrect, factually, legally or otherwise.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 01:00 AM

It's official when (if) Finney signs a contract. That normally happens well before Eon makes a press announcement.

That's correct, but for our puposes, it's official when EON announce it. Unless they announce it within minutes of Finney signing up, there's going to be a period where Finney is officially in, but we don't know about it. And I wouldn't trust a tabloid to accurately report that, given the way some of them reported a long-planned labour union protest in Panama City as a gang war that filming inadvertently started in Colon during filming of QUANTUM OF SOLACE

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 01:14 AM


It's official when (if) Finney signs a contract. That normally happens well before Eon makes a press announcement.

That's correct, but for our puposes, it's official when EON announce it. Unless they announce it within minutes of Finney signing up, there's going to be a period where Finney is officially in, but we don't know about it. And I wouldn't trust a tabloid to accurately report that, given the way some of them reported a long-planned labour union protest in Panama City as a gang war that filming inadvertently started in Colon during filming of QUANTUM OF SOLACE


If you don't trust this particular report, that's fine.

On the other hand, if the movie's title is SpyFall (or Skyfall), if Ralph Fiennes is in the cast, if the character of Blofeld is brought back in a new version, etc., then it's a bit of a stretch to say all of the news accounts (tabloids or not) made it up. That would be an incredibly lucky set of guesses. Also, Bardem was reported earlier and the actor himself confirmed it recently. That's one of the news reports that has come to pass.

Having read some of these stories, I can understand why people are skeptical. The stories typically aren't very transparent. You can indicate howa source knows information while still protecting him/her. Or at least say something like the source you're quoting has direct knowledge of the situation. The U.K. tabloids don't do that, some of the stories they just assert things, making it sound as certain as the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. I'm not endorsing that method. But I have wondered how much of this will turn out to be correct or not. We'll know Thursday.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 01:35 AM

On the other hand, if the movie's title is SpyFall (or Skyfall), if Ralph Fiennes is in the cast, if the character of Blofeld is brought back in a new version, etc., then it's a bit of a stretch to say all of the news accounts (tabloids or not) made it up. That would be an incredibly lucky set of guesses. Also, Bardem was reported earlier and the actor himself confirmed it recently. That's one of the news reports that has come to pass.

Back in 2009, Fernando Alonso moved from the Renault F1 team to Ferrari. It was widely reported that he had signed a contract as early as March. However, he did not actually join the team until September, and later admitted that he had not actually been approached until the end of May. Does that make the tabloids that reported him joining the team in March right?

Yes, Bardem was reported to be in negotiations several months ago - but Bardem himself admitted it early on. He had obviously signed on in the time since (as THE DARK TOWER collapsed), but you can't credit the tabloids for correctly predicting that Bardem would sign up on the basis of an undisclosed source that nobody else has. It's the same thing with the "Skyfall" talk; there's a precedent. We can actually see the evidence for ourselves if we check with MarkMonitor. In fact, half the stories you cite have a basis in reality that we can check for ourselves. But not the Finney article. Bamigboye is trading on faith. He's essentially saying "you should believe this because I'm reporting it and I've been right before". But if you actually read the article, his evidence in all of this is an EON executive who is as enthusiastic about it as he is anonymous. When Amy Winehouse was said to be the favourite for the QUANTUM OF SOLACE theme (I doubt EON would have gone near her myself), those same faceless producers were talking things up (with the same gushing enthisiasm), and it never eventuated. And when you really think about it, why would the producers leak information about the film? If EON have the power to remove images from the Twitter feeds of extras, imagine what they could do to people in actual positions within the company. Any executive who spoke to a tabloid against EON's wishes would likely be fired, and they'd probably make it very difficult for that person to be employed in the film industry for a long time to come.

Bamigboye has nothing. He's nicely trussed up; he can't reveal his source without jeopardising someone's livelihood, but he can't keep his source to himself because he loses credibility. So he tries to trade on his name, but I wouldn't even use his articles to wipe my behind with. He's a bottom feeder, and one of the worst forms of journalist: peddling rumours, sensationalising things, and grinning as he feeds us crap after convinving us that it's gravy. The only journalist he has any claim to be better than is Andrew Bolt.

#46 Napoleon Solo

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 01:44 AM

All what of what Captain Tightpants say may be true. Here's something else that's just as true: people deny things they know are accurate.

Again, I'm not claiming the Finney story is true. I don't *know*. But over the years there were items that were written off as rumors (James Brolin considered for the role of Bond in Octopussy) that turned out to be true.

Captain Tightpants has a deeper knowledge of the faults of the U.K. tabloid press than I do. My main point is the notion that nothing is official until there's a press release (something I've seen stated in multiple threads here) isn't correct.

Trying to figure out which stories are actually on to something and which aren't? That's harder to do. Sometimes, reporters actually do have sources nobody else has. Whether Bamigboye falls into that category, I don't know.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 02:26 AM

Sometimes, reporters actually do have sources nobody else has. Whether Bamigboye falls into that category, I don't know.

Maybe he does have it. But because he works for a tabloid, any credibility that he has evaporates.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 08:06 AM


Sometimes, reporters actually do have sources nobody else has. Whether Bamigboye falls into that category, I don't know.

Maybe he does have it. But because he works for a tabloid, any credibility that he has evaporates.


Baz Bamigboye is very, very well connected in media circles. I can absolutely promise you that. He knows all the right people
and because he never reveals more than his contacts want him to reveal, he's pretty well respected by many producers,
actors, directors etc.

There was a Bond 23 script reading at Pinewood last Monday, and the cast and HODs were all there. There's a big room, the Green Room,
in the Manor House where read throughs take place.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 08:37 AM

he never reveals more than his contacts want him to reveal

But he is revealling more than some would prefer. If Bamigboye knew the title of BNOD 23 a week before the press conference, do you think he'd hold back because the Powers That Be at EON wanted him to? It's pretty obvious that Babs and MGW are not his sources, and they'd prefer the title to be revealed at the press conference.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:46 AM


he never reveals more than his contacts want him to reveal

But he is revealling more than some would prefer. If Bamigboye knew the title of BNOD 23 a week before the press conference, do you think he'd hold back because the Powers That Be at EON wanted him to? It's pretty obvious that Babs and MGW are not his sources, and they'd prefer the title to be revealed at the press conference.


I suspect Baz Bamigboye does know the film's title, but is holding that back. Babs and MGW are not his sources, but I'm pretty sure they are made aware of what he wants to publish.
Baz will want to keep a good relationship with Eon, just like he does with other producers/filmmaker like Matthew Vaughn (who he has very close ties to).
So I think Eon let Baz slip out some breaking news as long as he doesn't reveal too much, and Baz plays ball because by staying on the right side of producers like
Babs and MGW, he can maintain his relationships with his inside contacts.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:05 AM

I suppose it would make sense for EON to have Bamigboye as the "official leak", and slip him information first (with certain conditions on its publication) and control the rate at which information becomes available, but I think that would be giving the tabloids a little bit too much power.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:51 AM

I suppose it would make sense for EON to have Bamigboye as the "official leak", and slip him information first (with certain conditions on its publication) and control the rate at which information becomes available, but I think that would be giving the tabloids a little bit too much power.


Eon know there are going to be leaks, but at least Bamigboye is credible and moves in the inner circles. He is very well connected, far better
than your average tabloid show-biz hack.

Also, Bamigboye genuinely cares about film, theatre etc. and respects filmmakers and actors.

I was working on a project a while back and Bamigboye had learnt about some of the casting. He didn't just blindly publish that info, he directly contacted us
and told us he wanted to write something, and that he knew a few details. As a result, we gave him a little bit more information. He was grateful and
published the story - but the point was, what he revealed was correct, he did not have to make stuff up. So we were happy, and he was happy.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 01:01 PM

I notice that Bamigboye, in both his recent reports on Bond 23’s casting, does not refer to the film as ‘Skyfall’ or even mention the Skyfall rumour, unlike all other tabloid and internet journalist right now.

I wonder why?

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 04:38 PM

Hmmm perhaps he'd be M's replacement (I'm rather hoping that the big surprise will be the death of Dench M). Finney would be great as a new M.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 04:53 PM

I notice that Bamigboye, in both his recent reports on Bond 23’s casting, does not refer to the film as ‘Skyfall’ or even mention the Skyfall rumour, unlike all other tabloid and internet journalist right now.

I wonder why?


Well, as he's stated elsewhere, he'd have to give up his gentleman's unmentionables if he broke confidences...

SKYFALL it is, like it or not.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:39 PM


I notice that Bamigboye, in both his recent reports on Bond 23’s casting, does not refer to the film as ‘Skyfall’ or even mention the Skyfall rumour, unlike all other tabloid and internet journalist right now.

I wonder why?


Well, as he's stated elsewhere, he'd have to give up his gentleman's unmentionables if he broke confidences...

SKYFALL it is, like it or not.


Saying something like, “rumoured to be called Skyfall” would hardly be breaking a confidence. It is indeed rumoured to be called that, rightly or wrongly.

By the way, I don’t have anything against the title. I’m just not convinced it’s true.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:48 PM



I notice that Bamigboye, in both his recent reports on Bond 23’s casting, does not refer to the film as ‘Skyfall’ or even mention the Skyfall rumour, unlike all other tabloid and internet journalist right now.

I wonder why?


Well, as he's stated elsewhere, he'd have to give up his gentleman's unmentionables if he broke confidences...

SKYFALL it is, like it or not.


Saying something like, “rumoured to be called Skyfall” would hardly be breaking a confidence. It is indeed rumoured to be called that, rightly or wrongly.

By the way, I don’t have anything against the title. I’m just not convinced it’s true.


Fairly stated, but I guess a total avoidance would gain him more credibility with his, erm, "inside sources"?

I have no pro or anti SKYFALL-as-title sentiments, though I believe it will be.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:57 PM

Fairly stated, but I guess a total avoidance would gain him more credibility with his, erm, "inside sources"?


Or he knows that it’s not called Skyfall. In which case, “total avoidance” stops him being tarnished with a fake rumour when the real title is revealed and doesn’t jeopardize his standing with his “inside sources” either.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 06:00 PM


Fairly stated, but I guess a total avoidance would gain him more credibility with his, erm, "inside sources"?


Or he knows that it’s not called Skyfall. In which case, “total avoidance” stops him being tarnished with a fake rumour when the real title is revealed and doesn’t jeopardize his standing with his “inside sources” either.


Certainly a plausible interpretation.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 06:45 PM

Checklist of who has reported what. We'll see Nov. 3 who was right and who was wrong.

http://hmssweblog.wo...racy-checklist/