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[Jim]

WHO in their right mind could POSSIBLY like the awful title of "SkyFall" other than Chicken Little fans ? It is horrible !

How about "OceanRise" or "MountainShift" or some other stupid, non-poetic, meaningless B-movie straight-to-video prattle ?!!?

They'd best have barf bags in the theater as on airline flights so the audience may have a place to register their reaction to that awful title !

If you dislike the title, hey that's great. Your opinion. But is there really any reason to attack those that do like it?

Given that the member has posted a princely 12 times since March 2002, [s]he may be out of practice.

[JimmyBond]

Well played, Jim.

[Skudor]

I'm thinking more of the style than plot/characters (both being sans Moneypenny and Q). QOS had a lot of stylistic touches like the footchase and opera sequence that really stand out. Whereas CR was pretty traditional in terms of style.

Black and white flashbacks? Blurry Bond POV in hospital?
I'd say you'd find non-trad bits in most Bond films. Even DAD with its speed ramping and 'London Calling'.

Fair point on the B&W. Clearly I need to re-watch CR! I guess that goes back to my point - expect more unconventional (DAD was unconventional - full stop).

[tdalton]

WHO in their right mind could POSSIBLY like the awful title of "SkyFall" other than Chicken Little fans ? It is horrible !

How about "OceanRise" or "MountainShift" or some other stupid, non-poetic, meaningless B-movie straight-to-video prattle ?!!?

They'd best have barf bags in the theater as on airline flights so the audience may have a place to register their reaction to that awful title !

If you dislike the title, hey that's great. Your opinion. But is there really any reason to attack those that do like it?

Agreed.

I must be one of those that is not in their right mind, because I quite like the title. Granted, it doesn't quite have the iconic sound of something like Thunderball or Moonraker, but it isn't that far off from that level either. I think it's a solid title that has a good ominous feel to it while also recalling titles like those already mentioned that are short and iconic.

[Skudor]

I can't say I love Skyfall, but it's grown on me - and keeps growing.

[Safari Suit]

Given that the member has posted a princely 12 times since March 2002, [s]he may be out of practice.

Well played, Jim.

Yeah, what a loser "having a life" like that!

I do sometimes wonder if some people here wouldn't be just as interested in the Bond films if they were a series of titles with no actual films attached

[Matt_13]

The best way to think about it for me is to look at the Craig films lined up side by side. You have the epic introduction to Bond in Casino Royale. Next to it on the shelf, the moody, frantic, visceral epilogue Quantum of Solace. This is followed by the high octane, large scale Bond epic titled Skyfall. Works for me. I say bring it.

[sharpshooter]

Time can do wonders. Skyfall caught me off guard initally and I found it underwhelming. But after letting it sit for the past week, the title has grown on me quite a bit. I am pleased Craig will have a one word title, ala Connery, Moore and Brosnan. There are Fleming titles left for the future, and something has been added to Bond history that didn't exist previously. And as Matt13 says, Skyfall does lend itself to something epic, doomsdayish and indeed, classical in terms of a James Bond movie arriving for the 50th anniversary.

[marktmurphy]

The people who hate this title remind me a lot of the Craig-not-Bond people: the nastiness, the lack of proportion, the tendency to attack the intelligence of fans who fail to grasp "the obvious"... This is a series which has included such a title as "Octopussy", and we're supposed to be outraged and nauseated and indignant about "Skyfall"? Come on.

To be honest, if none of use had heard 'Dr No' as a title before and they announced the next would be called that, I bet there'd be quite a bad reaction!

[Harmsway]

To be honest, if none of use had heard 'Dr No' as a title before and they announced the next would be called that, I bet there'd be quite a bad reaction!

Probably. Same with OCTOPUSSY. But at least those titles have the touch of the bizarre, of the surreal, which has always set Bond apart from the rest.

[SecretAgentFan]

Also, after many people here hated the more "complex" QUANTUM OF SOLACE, SKYFALL should be the obvious remedy. What´s not to understand about that one - nothing!

[Matt_13]

Also, after many people here hated the more "complex" QUANTUM OF SOLACE, SKYFALL should be the obvious remedy. What´s not to understand about that one - nothing!

That's what I said too. Makes sense.

[Guy Haines]

It seems more like the title of a Bond continuation novel, or a Bond computer game, than the title of Bond 23, quite frankly. If it is the real deal - a big IF - then I wish it didn't seem like the name of a bucket shop, 50p per seat plus extortionate expenses, cheap flight airline.

[SecretAgentFan]

Of course, this could just be the working title - which, personally, I believe it is. And with the first teaser we probably get the REAL title.

[201050]

No problem with the title. Seems just fine. I'm on board for well-written stories, not one-sheet logos. Besides, as a few others have pointed out already, we've had several titles through the years that weren't exactly profound e.g. Dr. No, Octopussy.

[univex]

Of course, this could just be the working title - which, personally, I believe it is. And with the first teaser we probably get the REAL title.

I happen to like Skyfall but I agree with you. Even in that sheet that zencat mentioned, I think it said something along the lines: Bond 23 (aka Syfall). The "also known as" strikes me as hint to it being just a working title. We may be wrong of course, but that´s just my feeling. I hope it is Skyfall nonetheless, depending on its meaning that is.

Edited by univex, 16 October 2011 - 12:38 AM.

[freemo]

It's probably the villain's name: Vladimir Skyfall.

About time we had another Bond film named after the heavy. By gar, it's been a while.

(EDIT: Jeez. I wasn't serious. )

[univex]

It's probably the villain's name: Vladimir Skyfall.

I certainly hope not freemo . It would be, IMO, so cliché. I rather like, for example, Zorin´s idea. You know? The Skyfall manor. Or a simple reference to "The Sky is falling, [go tell the King]".

[Captain Tightpants]

... Vladimir Skyfall? No, thanks.

When Fleming named James Bond, he did so because the same was quite simple and neutral (and obviously masculine), but had a layer of complexity to it. Hearing it creates a similar image in the minds of people, even if they've never heard of James Bond before.

I think the same applies to the villain. There are certain naming conventions for villains; they often have much more complex names than Bond, and they usually have a harder sound to them - like "Stromberg" or "Drax" or "Kronsteen" or "Zorin". So when I head "Vladimir Skyfall", I don't think of James Bond. I think of something out of ROCKY & BULLWINKLE.

I think the villain's name should be something like Masbou ("mazz-boo"), Vinales ("vin-ya-lez"), Moncayo ("mon-kay-oh"), Araujo ("ah-roy-oh"), Iaconelli ("yak-oh-nelly") or Teixeria ("tey-cher-ah"); names that aren't necessarily pronounced the way they are written.

[univex]

... Vladimir Skyfall? No, thanks.

When Fleming named James Bond, he did so because the same was quite simple and neutral (and obviously masculine), but had a layer of complexity to it. Hearing it creates a similar image in the minds of people, even if they've never heard of James Bond before.

I think the same applies to the villain. There are certain naming conventions for villains; they often have much more complex names than Bond, and they usually have a harder sound to them - like "Stromberg" or "Drax" or "Kronsteen" or "Zorin". So when I head "Vladimir Skyfall", I don't think of James Bond. I think of something out of ROCKY & BULLWINKLE.

I think the villain's name should be something like Masbou ("mazz-boo"), Vinales ("vin-ya-lez"), Moncayo ("mon-kay-oh"), Araujo ("ah-roy-oh"), Iaconelli ("yak-oh-nelly") or Teixeria ("tey-cher-ah"); names that aren't necessarily pronounced the way they are written.

Teixeira? Really? It´s such a common last name in Portugal. Like Santos or Silva. Araujo is pronounced Ah-rah-ujo. I rather like Vinales and Moncayo, interesting choices How one earth did you come up with all these names Cap?

[Captain Tightpants]

I rather like Vinales and Moncayo, interesting choices How one earth did you come up with all these names Cap?

Javier Bardem is Spanish. I went looking for Spanish names. And because the 2011 Australian MotoGP round is on, I used Wikipedia as a guide because I couldn't find anything I liked on my usual names site, Behind the Surname. I got Vinales from Maverick Viñales, Moncayo from Alberto Moncayo, Masbou from Alexis Masbou and the other names from various other drivers and riders in other racing series.

Assuming Bardem were to play a Spanish or Hispanic character, then I'd probably give him a name like Guillermo Viñales y Moncayo. I think that's nice and complex and decidedly Spanish without resorting to common names like Lopez or Rodriguez.

[univex]

Assuming Bardem were to play a Spanish or Hispanic character, then I'd probably give him a name like Guillermo Viñales y Moncayo. I think that's nice and complex and decidedly Spanish without resorting to common names like Lopez or Rodriguez.

Nice sounding name. Of course it´s not a Hugo Drax, or Karl Stromberg, like you said, very strong sounding names. Even Zorin is exotic. Guntram Shatterhand is exotic of course, but it wouldn´t fit probably. Kaplan, which I think means Tiger in turkish would be nice eh? Reminds me of North by Northwest. Altan, a first name that means red dawn, according to your site , would be interesting. Altan Kaplan, or Suleyman (Solomon) Kaplan. Solomon Kaplan sounds very nice doesn´t it? For a turkish villain played by Bardem? He doesn´t have to play a Spanish or Hispanic character. But I do like Guillermo Viñales y Moncayo, sounds like a signet ring kind of villain.

[Captain Tightpants]

Well my understanding of Spanish naming traditions is that a person adopts both the father's name and the mother's name, but only actually uses one. So "Guillermo Viñales y Moncayo" would come across as Guillermo Viñales (father's name) y (and) Moncayo (mother's name), and he would simply be known as "Guillermo Viñales" or "Guillermo Moncayo", depending on which surname he chooses - usually the father's.

If Bardem were to play a Turkish character, then I'd probably go with "Serhan Ozcelikoğlu" ("sur-ahn oz-sell-ick-oglu"); Serhan ("leader") Ozcelikoğlu ("[son of] genuine steel"). But I think that might be a little too complex.

[AMC Hornet]

I hope Broccoli and Wilson are monitoring this thread.

There will be a lot of disappointed fans out there (or should I say here) if it turms out none of these names are used.

And when thet are, B & W will owe somebody here a consultation fee.

Don't stop now, guys, just because the script is already written. Last-minute name changes are not unknown.

[Captain Tightpants]

There will be a lot of disappointed fans out there (or should I say here) if it turms out none of these names are used.

I wouldn't be disappointed. Not unless they use something silly, like "Vladimir Skyfall", or weak, like "Dominic Greene" (if you want a weak, insipid name, something that sounds creepy and uncomfortable and yet entirely appropriate for a Bond villain, you go for "Le Chiffre"). No, I'm just trying to come up with examples of appropriate villain names. There's nothing to indicate that anything we've brainstormed could or would be used. Though I wouldn't complain if they used "Guillermo Alvaro Viñales y Moncayo" as the villain's name.

[univex]

There will be a lot of disappointed fans out there (or should I say here) if it turms out none of these names are used.

I wouldn't be disappointed. Not unless they use something silly, like "Vladimir Skyfall", or weak, like "Dominic Greene" (if you want a weak, insipid name, something that sounds creepy and uncomfortable and yet entirely appropriate for a Bond villain, you go for "Le Chiffre"). No, I'm just trying to come up with examples of appropriate villain names. There's nothing to indicate that anything we've brainstormed could or would be used. Though I wouldn't complain if they used "Guillermo Alvaro Viñales y Moncayo" as the villain's name.

I wouldn´t complain either. Suleyman Kaplan (aka the King [Solomon]), Guillermo Alvaro Viñales Y Moncayo,..., All better than Dominic Greene... Le Chiffre, now that´s a proper villain

[Captain Tightpants]

The name "Le Chiffre" works because it's weak. Not weak as in it's a bad name - like "Dominic Greene" - but in that none of the sounds stand out over the other. "James Bond" has a very noticeable 'a' sound and a very noticeable 'd' sound, but "Le Chiffre" does not. Whether you pronounce it "leh sheef" or "leh sheef-uh", there is no noticeable stress placed on any syllable. So it's almost cowardly, insipid; nothing about it really stands out from the rest of it. And that's in keeping with Le Chiffre himself - when things go badly, he chooses to save his own skin. Quantum didn't kill him because the Miami job went badly, they killed him because he went off on his own and left both him and the organisation vulnerable. I don't know if Ian Fleming deliberately named Le Chiffre this way (I believe his name translates as "the number"), but it's certainly appropriate.

[univex]

The name "Le Chiffre" works because it's weak. Not weak as in it's a bad name - like "Dominic Greene" - but in that none of the sounds stand out over the other. "James Bond" has a very noticeable 'a' sound and a very noticeable 'd' sound, but "Le Chiffre" does not. Whether you pronounce it "leh sheef" or "leh sheef-uh", there is no noticeable stress placed on any syllable. So it's almost cowardly, insipid; nothing about it really stands out from the rest of it. And that's in keeping with Le Chiffre himself - when things go badly, he chooses to save his own skin. Quantum didn't kill him because the Miami job went badly, they killed him because he went off on his own and left both him and the organisation vulnerable. I don't know if Ian Fleming deliberately named Le Chiffre this way (I believe his name translates as "the number"), but it's certainly appropriate.

I agree with that. And given Fleming´s original description of Le Chiffre, I´d say you´re spot on.

[glidrose]

It seems more like the title of a Bond continuation novel, or a Bond computer game, than the title of Bond 23, quite frankly. If it is the real deal - a big IF - then I wish it didn't seem like the name of a bucket shop, 50p per seat plus extortionate expenses, cheap flight airline.

I'm with you, though an airline is none too bloody likely to pick a name like skyFALL.

Skyfall is an appalling title. Everything Loomis said several pages back sums it up for me. It's the sort of title that gets funny looks and I have to spell it out loud so people can understand what I've said. (over-enunciating) SKY-FALLLLLLLLLL. Ess, kay, why, eff, ay, el, el. All those initial hard consonants. You want hard consonants at the end, not have the title drift off with "lllllllllll".

Amazed almost 40% like the title. More telling... almost half don't think it's the real title.

Okay, now that I've got that and the Amis-YOLT script nonsense off my chest I think I'll go back to lurking.

Edited by glidrose, 26 October 2011 - 09:21 PM.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Interesting opinions on whether or not Skyfall is legit thus far.