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[0077]

By the by, Sir Roger Moore actually did three gunbarrels that the public viewed: One for the trailers (suit), one for his widescreen films (suit) and one for his Panavision films (tuxedo).
Whereas all the others only did one walk through for the gunbarrel that was officially released for their respective films.
(One cannot really count the leaping Dalton one on the rough print or the test ones of Sir Roger wearing a hat and another of him dropping his pants)

Kind of makes one wish there was some blooper footage featured along with the end credits of some of the films.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Dan's done two, so far, and the Connery films featured two different ones (although Connery only did the latter one of those)... so, no, not every Bond has been stuck with one gunbarrel.

I sort of wish the other gunbarrels had been more consistent, color-wise; the variations from film to film, even in a single tenure, irks me -- why couldn't Lowry have gotten rid of the tinting on, say, the first Panavision Moore gunbarrel and reused it for the other Moore films? By the time you get to AVTAK, the gunbarrel is so bleached out that you can barely see Roger anymore!

It might have tickled Maurice Binder, but as a Bond fan, it's bloody annoying.

[jaguar007]

They are producing an inferior product that doesn't result in enough net revenue.

Capsule, I have no problem with you not liking Craig or the direction the current films are going. Not everyone likes the current trend in BOnd films just like many people did not like the trend the Bond films took in the 70s, 80s or 90s. We are all entitled to our own opinions. However you go against fact and call the last two Bond movies not financially successful because they don't fit in with your taste, that is where you loose any credibility.

nt or the test ones of Sir Roger wearing a hat and another of him dropping his pants)

I have heard about that one. That would be hilarious to see

[Royal Dalton]

By the by, Sir Roger Moore actually did three gunbarrels that the public viewed: One for the trailers (suit), one for his widescreen films (suit) and one for his Panavision films (tuxedo).

There's also the one shot for The Spy Who Loved Me trailer.

Whereas all the others only did one walk through for the gunbarrel that was officially released for their respective films.
(One cannot really count the leaping Dalton one on the rough print or the test ones of Sir Roger wearing a hat and another of him dropping his pants)

The Dalton one counts. It was on the British trailer for The Living Daylights.

[Capsule in Space]

Capsule, I have no problem with you not liking Craig or the direction the current films are going. Not everyone likes the current trend in BOnd films just like many people did not like the trend the Bond films took in the 70s, 80s or 90s. We are all entitled to our own opinions. However you go against fact and call the last two Bond movies not financially successful because they don't fit in with your taste, that is where you loose any credibility.

Hi Jag,

The first film in the Craig Era earned a respectable net revenue, but the second film did not. I am not saying both of them were unsuccessful; just the last one.

I have heard about that one. That would be hilarious to see

Jag, we probably will never agree on how to interpret EON's numbers, but I agree with you on this idea. Any bloopers from Bond would be a lot of fun to see. Hopefully, someone in this forum has something like that to share. Despite our disagreement; you get a "+1".

[jaguar007]

Hi Jag,

The first film in the Craig Era earned a respectable net revenue, but the second film did not. I am not saying both of them were unsuccessful; just the last one.

QoS is far from my favorite Bond film, but it was financially successful.

DAD cost $142million to make and grossed $431million - -$289million over cost
QoS cost $200million to make and grossed $586million - - $$356million over cost.

Do you really think the studios are complaining about the performance of QoS?

Jag, we probably will never agree on how to interpret EON's numbers, but I agree with you on this idea. Any bloopers from Bond would be a lot of fun to see. Hopefully, someone in this forum has something like that to share. Despite our disagreement; you get a "+1".

As I said earlier, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing about subjective things like how we like our Bond. In nearly 60 years BOnd has changed quite a bit, he even changed throughout the decade that Fleming wrote the books. Bond means many different things to many different people. I like all interpretations of Bond, some more than others.

I would love to see some outtakes as well, especially during the Moore tenure because he was known to be a practical joker.

[Aces High]

I miss the old United Artists cascade,it really annoys me that MGM have their logo on the early 007 films,they did NOTHING for them but there they are taking the credit..would be nice to have the original realese logos.
As for 'Gunbarrels' I alweays liked the Roger Moore one that he did for 'The Spy Who Loved Me' where he does his shot then walk toward the barrel pointing the PPK at the viewer,so obviously the 1st shot was a diarming one ..he he ...
Also anuone else remember the Connery one where he walks on with a briefcase in the opposite direction..I think that was for 'Diamonds Are Forever'.
As for not liking Daniel Craig I kinda get what you mean..I must admit 'Quantum of Solace' was not as good as 'Casino Royale' & can see that I dont think Craig has a long term Bond.Also I feel he is a bit too 'political' & 'Right on'.I'd like to see Tom Hardy take over the role in a couple of years.

[zencat]

I don't think Roger was going for realism. He was performing a clean turn and shoot that was appropriate for what this is -- a stylized title graphic. More of an impression of Bond shooting than Bond actually shooting. It was more about hitting the mark with a good final image. They all do this to different degrees.

[iBond]

I miss the old United Artists cascade,it really annoys me that MGM have their logo on the early 007 films,they did NOTHING for them but there they are taking the credit..would be nice to have the original realese logos.
As for 'Gunbarrels' I alweays liked the Roger Moore one that he did for 'The Spy Who Loved Me' where he does his shot then walk toward the barrel pointing the PPK at the viewer,so obviously the 1st shot was a diarming one ..he he ...
Also anuone else remember the Connery one where he walks on with a briefcase in the opposite direction..I think that was for 'Diamonds Are Forever'.
As for not liking Daniel Craig I kinda get what you mean..I must admit 'Quantum of Solace' was not as good as 'Casino Royale' & can see that I dont think Craig has a long term Bond.Also I feel he is a bit too 'political' & 'Right on'.I'd like to see Tom Hardy take over the role in a couple of years.

Yeah, it always makes it cool to see the United Artist's logo right before the Bond gun barrel. It really adds to the anticipation of what is to come. I mean, I'm talking about the logo used on the special edition DVDs with the modern look and the big shine at the end turning into a star. Classic.

[Jim]

I don't think Roger was going for realism. He was performing a clean turn and shoot that was appropriate for what this is -- a stylized title graphic. More of an impression of Bond shooting than Bond actually shooting. It was more about hitting the mark with a good final image. They all do this to different degrees.

Quite.

It's not real, y'know.

[David_M]

I don't think Roger was going for realism.

Yes.

How real is it to have blood drip down into a gun barrel pointed (presumably) at a 90% angle from the user?

For that matter, how realistic is it that an assassin would take so long to aim at a target who's the only person or object in either direction in an otherwise featureless, white void?

[Jump James]

I don't think Roger was going for realism. He was performing a clean turn and shoot that was appropriate for what this is -- a stylized title graphic. More of an impression of Bond shooting than Bond actually shooting. It was more about hitting the mark with a good final image. They all do this to different degrees.

Quite.

It's not real, y'know.

Thats true and it's also taken the shine of it a little.

[Capsule in Space]

As I said earlier, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing about subjective things like how we like our Bond. In nearly 60 years BOnd has changed quite a bit, he even changed throughout the decade that Fleming wrote the books. Bond means many different things to many different people. I like all interpretations of Bond, some more than others.

Jaguar, I want to respond to this, but not here. iBond simply wanted to discuss gunbarrel sequences, and I don't want to overwhelm his thread with economic discussions. I will try to create another thread in the General Discussion section to discuss the economics of the Bond films.

I miss the old United Artists cascade,it really annoys me that MGM have their logo on the early 007 films,they did NOTHING for them but there they are taking the credit..would be nice to have the original realese logos.
As for 'Gunbarrels' I alweays liked the Roger Moore one that he did for 'The Spy Who Loved Me' where he does his shot then walk toward the barrel pointing the PPK at the viewer,so obviously the 1st shot was a diarming one ..he he ...
Also anuone else remember the Connery one where he walks on with a briefcase in the opposite direction..I think that was for 'Diamonds Are Forever'.
As for not liking Daniel Craig I kinda get what you mean..I must admit 'Quantum of Solace' was not as good as 'Casino Royale' & can see that I dont think Craig has a long term Bond.Also I feel he is a bit too 'political' & 'Right on'.I'd like to see Tom Hardy take over the role in a couple of years.

Yeah, it always makes it cool to see the United Artist's logo right before the Bond gun barrel. It really adds to the anticipation of what is to come. I mean, I'm talking about the logo used on the special edition DVDs with the modern look and the big shine at the end turning into a star. Classic.

iBond, did you tell us what your favorite gunbarrel sequence is yet, or did I miss it?

[00 Brosnan]

I have to confess I don't understand the obsession with "the gunbarrel sequence." It's spawned numerous threads here and seemingly countless YouTube clips. Why?

The sequence isn't going to make or break a movie, but it's an iconic sequence at this point and is something interesting to debate about.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Bond movies of the present.

I like the Craig films, they feel fresh . However, I am concerned about the almost complete lack of humor in the Craig era so far. They don't have to go "Moore heavy" w/ it, but a little more humor would be nice. I'd also like to hear the James Bond Theme or variations of it more. Oh, and I'm getting pretty sick of this "Mother" role M has turned into and how much screen time it's given.

The reboot needed to happen because the 95-02 era was truly destroying James Bond. My only regret is that the era never happening or becoming embarrassing in the first place.

Destroying James Bond? That's a little harsh. Moore's later films had plenty of embarrassing moments and Connery's DAF is a pretty big embarrassment all together.

The fact is that Brosnan was very successful in the role. As noted, he reinvigorated the franchise after License for Failure tanked and the 6-year hiatus. GoldenEye was the most successful box office Bond film in decades, and each of Brosnan's following films made more than the previous one.

Like any of the actors, he has his faults and detractors. Also, like other actors, his tenure had ups and downs. He just happened to have his most outlandish film at a time when reboots were all the rage in Hollywood and newer competing franchises were younger and more gritty.

He had a lot of support to do a fifth film from fans in fact. Sony wanted to do a fifth one, it was Brocolli that wanted to reboot the series and go younger. I'll go even further and say that if Cubby Brocolli was still alive and running the franchise, Brosnan would have had a fifth film.

Edited by 00 Brosnan, 05 April 2011 - 03:15 PM.

[Capsule in Space]

I have to confess I don't understand the obsession with "the gunbarrel sequence." It's spawned numerous threads here and seemingly countless YouTube clips. Why?

The sequence isn't going to make or break a movie, but it's an iconic sequence at this point and is something interesting to debate about.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Bond movies of the present.

I like the Craig films, they feel fresh . However, I am concerned about the almost complete lack of humor in the Craig era so far. They don't have to go "Moore heavy" w/ it, but a little more humor would be nice. I'd also like to hear the James Bond Theme or variations of it more. Oh, and I'm getting pretty sick of this "Mother" role M has turned into and how much screen time it's given.

The reboot needed to happen because the 95-02 era was truly destroying James Bond. My only regret is that the era never happening or becoming embarrassing in the first place.

Destroying James Bond? That's a little harsh. Moore's later films had plenty of embarrassing moments and Connery's DAF is a pretty big embarrassment all together.

The fact is that Brosnan was very successful in the role. As noted, he reinvigorated the franchise after License for Failure tanked and the 6-year hiatus. GoldenEye was the most successful box office Bond film in decades, and each of Brosnan's following films made more than the previous one.

Like any of the actors, he has his faults and detractors. Also, like other actors, his tenure had ups and downs. He just happened to have his most outlandish film at a time when reboots were all the rage in Hollywood and newer competing franchises were younger and more gritty.

He had a lot of support to do a fifth film from fans in fact. Sony wanted to do a fifth one, it was Brocolli that wanted to reboot the series and go younger. I'll go even further and say that if Cubby Brocolli was still alive and running the franchise, Brosnan would have had a fifth film.

Spot on analysis 00 Brosnan. I wish Brosnan could have done 2 more films. And back the subject on hand, I thought his gunbarrel sequences were great, and the music for each of them (except GE's)were excellent too. GE's was okay.

[Miles Miservy]

Okay, I respect Roger Moore as James Bond...but his first gun barrel sequence...it's just not that good. I mean, I dig the way he looks without the bell bottoms we've been stuck with for his last five films, but he just aims really poorly. He shoots before he even has a chance to aim the gun. Does anyone agree with this? Even for you Moore fans out there, you must admit that it does get a little annoying seeing him shoot before he aims. This really gets to me...ugh.

Let me play Devil's Advocate here, iBond. With all due respect, Roger was the best at this! Bob Simmons practically flies out of frame, Sean Connery about falls over, and then there is Lazenby. Lazenby's wasn't too bad, I actually like the "treadmill effect" and the drop to one knee. Dalton's left arm looks like it is going to come out of its socket. Brosnan's is pretty good. His approach is very "matter of fact" like Moore's. I don't like anything that Craig does as Bond, so that leaves Moore the winner! In my opinion.

My favorite sequence is the one used in For Your Eyes Only. The 1980's style electric guitar, coupled with some copious amounts of cow bell, and the graceful Moore sauntering into frame to open fire with his PPK makes this one the best in the series. Do you have a favorite?

I got a fever... and the only prescription... is more COWBELL, baby!!!

[Capsule in Space]

Okay, I respect Roger Moore as James Bond...but his first gun barrel sequence...it's just not that good. I mean, I dig the way he looks without the bell bottoms we've been stuck with for his last five films, but he just aims really poorly. He shoots before he even has a chance to aim the gun. Does anyone agree with this? Even for you Moore fans out there, you must admit that it does get a little annoying seeing him shoot before he aims. This really gets to me...ugh.

Let me play Devil's Advocate here, iBond. With all due respect, Roger was the best at this! Bob Simmons practically flies out of frame, Sean Connery about falls over, and then there is Lazenby. Lazenby's wasn't too bad, I actually like the "treadmill effect" and the drop to one knee. Dalton's left arm looks like it is going to come out of its socket. Brosnan's is pretty good. His approach is very "matter of fact" like Moore's. I don't like anything that Craig does as Bond, so that leaves Moore the winner! In my opinion.

My favorite sequence is the one used in For Your Eyes Only. The 1980's style electric guitar, coupled with some copious amounts of cow bell, and the graceful Moore sauntering into frame to open fire with his PPK makes this one the best in the series. Do you have a favorite?

I got a fever... and the only prescription... is more COWBELL, baby!!!

Yes Miles!

Now take that prescription dose of cowbell and add a dose of Roger Moore, exciting ski chases, and some crazy early 80's music - and you've got yourself a For Your Eyes Only multi-vitamin! Take as needed!!!

[Dekard77]

What are the two gun barrels of Moore? I remember the bellbottom one only. Forgive me. I think Brosnan had the best gun barrel logo. Not only does it look up to date but he is very smooth. Something very cold about Brosnan when he is still. Lazenby is the second best cos OHMSS has a whole new vibe as a 007 flick. Moore is also pretty good, I like the music for his gun barrels. They have a form of grand gesture . Dalton is too quick and Connery looks very uncomfortable. Also SC is not much a running around and jumping Bond. He is very still. Maybe the fact he's larger than life persona gives him the benefit of being towering than physical. DC apes SC way too much, I like him as Bond but sometimes it doesn't really work for me. I like the actor to have a few new traits. The banter in CR limousine sequence (Montenegro) was a new glimpse of how DC should take Bond.

[Miles Miservy]

You know what? My favourite is actually the Bog-barrel one (Craig in CR). No idea why - it is just slick and cool, especially considering it's setting - it was a good pose and had just the right amount of urgency. But all this cool was completely undone by the hunchback approach he adopted for the QOS one. I think the Lazenby gunbarrel is pretty darn good.

ps. Other question - Transamerica. I miss that one!

Transamerica - yeah!!!

Give George Lazenby credit for being the only one who drops to one knee. (My son actually caught that.)

[Capsule in Space]

What are the two gun barrels of Moore? I remember the bellbottom one only. Forgive me. I think Brosnan had the best gun barrel logo. Not only does it look up to date but he is very smooth. Something very cold about Brosnan when he is still. Lazenby is the second best cos OHMSS has a whole new vibe as a 007 flick. Moore is also pretty good, I like the music for his gun barrels.

Here's another Moore gunbarrel sequence that everyone probably has seen before

I agree that Brosnan's and Lazenby's were very good. The theme to Lazenby's is awesome and I am glad that it is on the OHMSS soundtrack.

[00 Brosnan]

Brosnan defnitely has the best gunbarrel sequence. His walk is straight up, confident, determined, and cool...he turns fast and BANG! Plus, the CGI barrel works really well and is definite improvement.

Craig's (QoS) is the worst for a couple reasons. He walks way...way too fast and it looks like he's shooting upward since he is so much shorter than the other actors. Plus, the design of the barrel itself looks cheap and it doesn't even roll like the Brosnan ones...definite step back. The CR one was cool though.

I don't mind the bell bottoms on Moore by the way...

Edited by 00 Brosnan, 05 June 2011 - 04:02 AM.

[Dekard77]

Agreed Craig's height is quickly noticeable.

[iBond]

Brosnan defnitely has the best gunbarrel sequence. His walk is straight up, confident, determined, and cool...he turns fast and BANG! Plus, the CGI barrel works really well and is definite improvement.

I would have to agree with you there. He did a great job!

[Dekard77]

Brosnan indeed did a good job, he made Bond relevant to the audience in the 90's who thought he will not stand a chance. That credit belongs to him no matter what. The QOS gun barrel is classy, for some reason it felt fresh because it was placed at the end of the movie. Reminded me of Dr.No, the movie should have had more plot less bloody action. oh well.
My request for the next Bond movie is to have a new M, some one who talks missions n politics and stops mothering 007. Fire Peter Lamont, keep the wit and remove the forced humour.

[iBond]

Brosnan indeed did a good job, he made Bond relevant to the audience in the 90's who thought he will not stand a chance. That credit belongs to him no matter what. The QOS gun barrel is classy, for some reason it felt fresh because it was placed at the end of the movie. Reminded me of Dr.No, the movie should have had more plot less bloody action. oh well.
My request for the next Bond movie is to have a new M, some one who talks missions n politics and stops mothering 007. Fire Peter Lamont, keep the wit and remove the forced humour.

First off, Peter Lamont retired after Casino Royale. And secondly, what did you have against him? Oh, because he designed the Ice Palace?

Edited by iBond, 04 June 2011 - 09:35 PM.

[FredJB007]

I love the Gunbarrel......it always gets my adrenaline pumping and will look forward to it at the "beginning" of Bond 23...
where it belongs! I do agree Craig needs to film a new one...not where he's almost sprinting across the screen. Slow it down!
Roger's were fine......

[DR76]

Moore's later films had plenty of embarrassing moments and Connery's DAF is a pretty big embarrassment all together.

Frankly, I prefer Moore's later films over the earlier ones.

He had a lot of support to do a fifth film from fans in fact. Sony wanted to do a fifth one, it was Brocolli that wanted to reboot the series and go younger. I'll go even further and say that if Cubby Brocolli was still alive and running the franchise, Brosnan would have had a fifth film.]

Then Brosnan should have asked for a contract that would have allowed him to do a fifth film. And if Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson had disagreed . . . too damn bad.



My favorite gun barrel sequence is from Moore's second one. Well . . . I don't have a problem with his first one, either. But Moore is the only Bond actor who held his gun correctly.

[Dekard77]

Brosnan indeed did a good job, he made Bond relevant to the audience in the 90's who thought he will not stand a chance. That credit belongs to him no matter what. The QOS gun barrel is classy, for some reason it felt fresh because it was placed at the end of the movie. Reminded me of Dr.No, the movie should have had more plot less bloody action. oh well.
My request for the next Bond movie is to have a new M, some one who talks missions n politics and stops mothering 007. Fire Peter Lamont, keep the wit and remove the forced humour.

First off, Peter Lamont retired after Casino Royale. And secondly, what did you have against him? Oh, because he designed the Ice Palace?

peter Lamont retired??? Yeah. Thanks for letting me know. Well apart from FYEO all of his Bond sets looked very unimaginative and cheap. Terrible production designer. For more proof watch LTK on Blu and then watch any Bond flick done in 70's on blu and see how good they look. To be fair photography wasn't that good either during Glen era but the look of Bond was ruined.

[iBond]

I do agree Craig needs to film a new one...not where he's almost sprinting across the screen. Slow it down!

Seriously! It was way too fast! And if that is the case and he does get to shoot the gun barrel again, what a lucky dude having three chances! hehe

[00 Brosnan]

Frankly, I prefer Moore's later films over the earlier ones.

I rank them as:
1. LALD
2. FYEO
3. TSWLM
4. TMWTGG
5. OP
6. MR
7. AVTAK

Seriously! It was way too fast! And if that is the case and he does get to shoot the gun barrel again, what a lucky dude having three chances! hehe

They should have kept the gunbarrel concept introduced in CR (working it into the PTS) if they weren't going to go traditional with the classic barrel. QoS has the worst gunbarrel sequence in all 22 films.