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[Aris007]

I would like to see Bond and M in bed having an argument.

M I don't know if we can trust you.

Bond I don't give a toss. Now, where's pussy.

Yeah and the next morning Bond reading the Guardian in his robe and M writing the shopping list for the supermarket!

Anyway I believe that Judi Dench needs to take the boot and stick with a male M again. And please keep the relations really simple. Briefing, piss off!

[sharpshooter]

I want Bond dressed in suits most of the time, it's what separates him from every other action hero out there.

If the occasion warrants it.

Well, I'd say being Bond is as such precisely the occasion that warrants it.
As Double O Ego stated, one of the things that separates Bond from other action heroes (say, Bourne) is that he's always stylish, takes very good care of what he's wearing and what he'll have to eat and drink (wonderful lines in FRWL: "Red wine with fish. Well, that should have told me something." and in GF: ""My dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as drinking Dom Perignon '53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit.").

Craig's Bond is not like the other Bonds. And he doesn't have to be. He is a bit rough around the edges, but not without class. And with only two films out of 22 with that angle being played, I say bring on more of the same.

I don't want business as usual, straight bat, generic Bond routine with no room for character development. Just being Bond is not enough to warrant a suit being worn. The situation has to warrant it. You dress accordingly. If this Bond is chasing down a free runner in Madagascar, he's wearing camouflage rags. That is what seperates him from the other Bonds. He will get down and dirty.

And add this to your list of quotes: "In that case, we're gonna need some more champagne." "Good evening, room service." "Good evening. Can I get a bottle of chilled Bollinger Grand Année and the beluga caviar?" "With everything?" "Yes, with everything."

[Mr_Wint]

The situation has to warrant it. You dress accordingly.

That kind of argumentation becomes pointless once you realizes that all 'situations' are entirely invented by filmmakers.

[sharpshooter]

The situation has to warrant it. You dress accordingly.

That kind of argumentation becomes pointless once you realizes that all 'situations' are entirely invented by filmmakers.

And those situations should be tailored to suit the Bond in question.

[Aris007]

I'm with "sharpshooter" here. Bond doesn't need to wear suits all the time. This automatically turns him into a caricature. Connery didn't wear them all the time. You see him in Thunderball, for instance, wearing just a sweater and a pair of trousers. The all-day suit thing started from Moore's era and continued until Brosnan's one. If you ask me that ain't a good thing for Bond, cause he looks more like a banker rather than a spy.

[Messervy]

I'm with "sharpshooter" here. Bond doesn't need to wear suits all the time. This automatically turns him into a caricature. Connery didn't wear them all the time. You see him in Thunderball, for instance, wearing just a sweater and a pair of trousers. The all-day suit thing started from Moore's era and continued until Brosnan's one. If you ask me that ain't a good thing for Bond, cause he looks more like a banker rather than a spy.

Well, he looked like a banker because he wore despicable suits (Brioni) ; had he worn real suits (the likes of Dunhill or Lanvin), he would've looked stylish enough !

Of course I didn't say he has to wear suits all the time: I think it would be pointless to have Bond taking a bath in suits, going to bed in suits, or engaging in a special covert operation at night in suits. In that respect, saying that "the situation has to warrant it" is stating the obvious. The point is that the movie has to give many more occasions to have Bond in suits, so that it becomes a Bond movie again, and not some action-hero-stunt movie.

[Aris007]

Well, he looked like a banker because he wore despicable suits (Brioni) ; had he worn real suits (the likes of Dunhill or Lanvin), he would've looked stylish enough !

Of course I didn't say he has to wear suits all the time: I think it would be pointless to have Bond taking a bath in suits, going to bed in suits, or engaging in a special covert operation at night in suits. In that respect, saying that "the situation has to warrant it" is stating the obvious. The point is that the movie has to give many more occasions to have Bond in suits, so that it becomes a Bond movie again, and not some action-hero-stunt movie.

I see where you're going, but overall I don't think that suits are what makes Bond. It's his manners, his wit the locations, the ladies, the fast cars all this. I also want suits back, but I don't want something OTT. You see the ratio between suits and casual clothes was just perfect in Casino Royale. We had suits, we had tuxs, we had T-shirts, we had jeans everything. And yet it's a hell of a Bond movie.

[Messervy]

Well, he looked like a banker because he wore despicable suits (Brioni) ; had he worn real suits (the likes of Dunhill or Lanvin), he would've looked stylish enough !

Of course I didn't say he has to wear suits all the time: I think it would be pointless to have Bond taking a bath in suits, going to bed in suits, or engaging in a special covert operation at night in suits. In that respect, saying that "the situation has to warrant it" is stating the obvious. The point is that the movie has to give many more occasions to have Bond in suits, so that it becomes a Bond movie again, and not some action-hero-stunt movie.

I see where you're going, but overall I don't think that suits are what makes Bond. It's his manners, his wit the locations, the ladies, the fast cars all this. I also want suits back, but I don't want something OTT. You see the ratio between suits and casual clothes was just perfect in Casino Royale. We had suits, we had tuxs, we had T-shirts, we had jeans everything. And yet it's a hell of a Bond movie.

True, CR was a good enough mix. But I don't want Bond to be too often dressed in a parkour-chase attire (T-shirt, shirt, jeans). The suits are not the only thing defining Bond, but they are an integral part of it; too much casual clothes is not Bondian enough. I can't see why Bond couldn't run after someone still wearing his suits (location permitting, obviously).
You rightly talk about fancy locations, cars, ladies, etc. This is precisely my point: along with these, clothing is one of the things whereby you can actually tell the difference from any other action hero movie. Bond is, among other things, about style; if you don't get that sense of style (notably through clothing), you're missing something.

[Aris007]

Right! That's what I was saying in the first place. Bond should wear a suit if the occasion is suitable. Do I want more of these occasions? Yes!

[Mr_Wint]

The situation has to warrant it. You dress accordingly.

That kind of argumentation becomes pointless once you realizes that all 'situations' are entirely invented by filmmakers.

And those situations should be tailored to suit the Bond in question.

Yes, but the point is that the filmmakers have total control of how Bond should be interpreted. Bond is not going casual in QOS because it happened to fit the locations and events. The t-shirt and the jeans are there before they even start thinking about the story.

Btw, I don't understand why you think Craig is more suited for casual clothing. He looks much better in a suit or a tux, IMO.

Connery didn't wear them all the time. You see him in Thunderball, for instance, wearing just a sweater and a pair of trousers. The all-day suit thing started from Moore's era and continued until Brosnan's one.

How about DN, GF and FRWL then?

[Aris007]

Connery didn't wear them all the time. You see him in Thunderball, for instance, wearing just a sweater and a pair of trousers. The all-day suit thing started from Moore's era and continued until Brosnan's one.

How about DN, GF and FRWL then?

Well, yes there were occasions, where a suit fitted nicely. And that was my point! It seems you didn't understand what I'm trying to say here. Bond wearing suits in scenes that handle one is ok. In Thunderball there were scenes, in which Bond doesn't wear he doesn't wear one while he could! In the films you mentioned there is the potential of a suit and they exploit it.

[jaguar007]

The t-shirt and the jeans are there before they even start thinking about the story.

Why do you say that?

I think Craig's Bond dresses very appropriately for the situation he is in. If he wore a suit in Madagascar, he would have looked ridiculous. The 70s are over and so are Safari suits

In QOS he was in a suit (much of the time sans tie) more that not. When he was in Haiti looking for Mr. Slate, Khakis and a polo shirt are very appropriate (Almost the same attire Connery wore in Shrublands). Meeting Felix in a Bolivian bar and the attack on the Eco-Hotel Bond would have been out of place in a suit.

[Guy Haines]

The t-shirt and the jeans are there before they even start thinking about the story.

Why do you say that?

I think Craig's Bond dresses very appropriately for the situation he is in. If he wore a suit in Madagascar, he would have looked ridiculous. The 70s are over and so are Safari suits

In QOS he was in a suit (much of the time sans tie) more that not. When he was in Haiti looking for Mr. Slate, Khakis and a polo shirt are very appropriate (Almost the same attire Connery wore in Shrublands). Meeting Felix in a Bolivian bar and the attack on the Eco-Hotel Bond would have been out of place in a suit.

Bond should wear what is appropriate for what the assignment demands. Provided its not a clown suit!

[Goodnight]

I hope they don't keep having 'Bond girls' that are the same sort of age as me. It's a bit grim to see somone making out with some guy old enough to be their dad.

[jaguar007]

I hope they don't keep having 'Bond girls' that are the same sort of age as me. It's a bit grim to see somone making out with some guy old enough to be their dad.

As someone old enough to be your dad (I'm 42, same as Craig and the father of a 19 year old daughter) I don't find any problem with it at all

[Goodnight]

I hope they don't keep having 'Bond girls' that are the same sort of age as me. It's a bit grim to see somone making out with some guy old enough to be their dad.

As someone old enough to be your dad (I'm 42, same as Craig and the father of a 19 year old daughter) I don't find any problem with it at all

Well forgive me but I'm not like that, and it seems I must be wrong somehow.

Edited by Goodnight, 10 September 2010 - 04:20 AM.

[CJB]

For Christmas I'd like:

- A male M
- The return of Q and Moneypenny
- A 99% reduction of CGI in Bond films
- A classy title song
- Bit more humour and wit from Bond, less moping
- Larger-than-life villains
- A moratorium on "Bond's equal" girls
- Colourful, exotic locations i.e. places you'd actually want to go
- No pseudo-marxist sob stories about Yankee imperialists buddying up with water thieves
- Realistic physical action, not Spiderman stunts
- David Arnold at the dole queue

[captnash2]

not another slapped together photoshoped teaser or release poster but original art work like the classic 60s/70s era.

[Messervy]

not another slapped together photoshoped teaser or release poster but original art work like the classic 60s/70s era.

Oh, yes, I agree.
The last posters were not disastrous as such (I liked the QoS teaser where you see the shadow on the ground), but were not very imaginative. O[attachment=11285:live%20and%20let%20die%20320x240.jpg]riginal art work would indeed contribute to bringing the Bond flavour back. One of my favorite is LALD.

[sharpshooter]

not another slapped together photoshoped teaser or release poster but original art work like the classic 60s/70s era.

I love the classic style artwork as much as anyone, but I can safely say it won't be coming back. I think the CR teaser poster is right up there with the best. Work to that quality, and in that vein, is the best we can hope for in this day and age.

[hilly]

I'd like a fun, entertaining, extravagant Bond film. I'm bored of the whole "Bond begins,makes mistakes,loves and loses Vesper etc" story arc.(and if I hear the phrase "Franchise Reboot" one more time.........) I'm sure being a spy is dangerous and stressful, but I want to see a film about an indestructible hero who foils ridiculously OTT plots, fights unbelievable villains, performs death defying stunts (non CGI please) and pulls impossibly beautiful women again. Oh, and a bit of humour too please..

[Brent A. Snyder]

Hopefully, Bond 23 will continue/conclude the Quantum storyline laid out in CR/QoS while introducing more [where appropriate] Bondian elements into Craig's 007.

My wish list includes a combination of "continue" as well as additions:

Simon Pegg as our new Q.

Emily Blunt as our new Moneypenny.

Felix Leiter teamed up with 007 for a joint UK/US mission to bring down Quantum.

A real-world kitted-out version of the black Aston Martin DBS. [Real-world security/defense/tech gadgets are pretty amazing].

Bond driving the silver Aston Martin DB5 [non mission related].

Continued use of the Walther PPK as a personal conceal/carry weapon.

Continued drinking of the Vesper martini [both Bond and Leiter].

M openly defending 007 to her government higher-ups.

Bond eating his favorite food from the original novels [scrambled eggs].

Sarcastic quips all around from Bond, Leiter, Q, Moneypenny and M.

[Guy Haines]

Hopefully, Bond 23 will continue/conclude the Quantum storyline laid out in CR/QoS while introducing more [where appropriate] Bondian elements into Craig's 007.

My wish list includes a combination of "continue" as well as additions:

Simon Pegg as our new Q.

Emily Blunt as our new Moneypenny.

Felix Leiter teamed up with 007 for a joint UK/US mission to bring down Quantum.

A real-world kitted-out version of the black Aston Martin DBS. [Real-world security/defense/tech gadgets are pretty amazing].

Bond driving the silver Aston Martin DB5 [non mission related].

Continued use of the Walther PPK as a personal conceal/carry weapon.

Continued drinking of the Vesper martini [both Bond and Leiter].

M openly defending 007 to her government higher-ups.

Bond eating his favorite food from the original novels [scrambled eggs].

Sarcastic quips all around from Bond, Leiter, Q, Moneypenny and M.

Sounds about right to me so far. Welcome to Cbn, Brent. Any ideas about the villain and leading ladies?

[The Shark]

not another slapped together photoshoped teaser or release poster but original art work like the classic 60s/70s era.

I love the classic style artwork as much as anyone, but I can safely say it won't be coming back. I think the CR teaser poster is right up there with the best. Work to that quality, and in that vein, is the best we can hope for in this day and age.

The Casino Royale teaser poster, with Bond at the casino table was more professional in my opinion, as opposed to the theatrical one, where Bond resembles an albino ape, with laser eyes, curved shoulders and a hunched back back.





Here's an example of some recent digitally constructed, retro-cool posters - In the style of the old pop art lithographs associated with Bond and various action-thrillers - That work surprisingly well. I wouldn't mind a Bond poster in the spirit of these.







Something rather like this:

[The sniper was a woman]

Well I believe the title is preety specific, but let's sum my thought.

Now that Quantum Of Solace has grown in everybody, what -in your opinion- should be changed in the formula of Bond 22 for the upcoming film(eg. the title song, the main titles, the PTS, the villain.....etc) and in what way?

Definitely the come back of Moneypenny. Keilly Reilly as Moneypenny...

[Aris007]

Regarding posters I'll add the stunning(as far as I'm concerned) poster from "The American".

[JimmyBond]

I know I've posted in this thread before, but it's quite long and I don't feel like going over what I may have said. So if I repeat myself, just bear with me:

What I'd like to see in the next film:

A good old fashioned briefing. We actually havent had a really good Bond/M office briefing since Goldeneye, by the time the next film comes out that will be nearly 20 years! I understand that in most of the films since then a briefing would have felt out of place.

Perhaps some of the classic elements back. I know in the past I've championed their decisions on not using the gunbarrel to open the film, and with CR it was pretty inventive...and with QoS it made sense narratively. Now it's time to show us that Bond is back, time to open the film with a gunbarrel. The producers need to remember that this sequence really gets audiences into the mood for the film, I know that during Brosnan's run, even if the film turned out to be disappointing, I still got chills down my spine each and every time that gunbarrel showed up.

I'm not too bothered if Q and Moneypenny return. If they do that's great, but the last two films have shown that not having them doesn't really detract much from the film. But if they do bring Moneypenny back, I say they need to bring back the classic flirting as well. TWINE payed it lip service, but it was too short, and not all that interesting to me.

Just some musings from me

[Guy Haines]

I know I've posted in this thread before, but it's quite long and I don't feel like going over what I may have said. So if I repeat myself, just bear with me:

What I'd like to see in the next film:

A good old fashioned briefing. We actually havent had a really good Bond/M office briefing since Goldeneye, by the time the next film comes out that will be nearly 20 years! I understand that in most of the films since then a briefing would have felt out of place.

Perhaps some of the classic elements back. I know in the past I've championed their decisions on not using the gunbarrel to open the film, and with CR it was pretty inventive...and with QoS it made sense narratively. Now it's time to show us that Bond is back, time to open the film with a gunbarrel. The producers need to remember that this sequence really gets audiences into the mood for the film, I know that during Brosnan's run, even if the film turned out to be disappointing, I still got chills down my spine each and every time that gunbarrel showed up.

I'm not too bothered if Q and Moneypenny return. If they do that's great, but the last two films have shown that not having them doesn't really detract much from the film. But if they do bring Moneypenny back, I say they need to bring back the classic flirting as well. TWINE payed it lip service, but it was too short, and not all that interesting to me.

Just some musings from me

I completely agree about the gunbarrel scene. The way it was used in CR was right for that film, though I missed it at the start of QoS. Regarding Moneypenny and Q - bring back the quartermaster by all means, but in the style of the early Bond/Q scenes, rather than the sight-gag-in-the-background stuff of the later movies. The rather sarcastic banter between Q and 007 in the gadget briefing scenes of the Connery films was amusing enough. As for Miss Moneypenny - since CR/QoS was supposed to be Bond at the start of his "00" career, why not have Moneypenny and Q re-introduced as characters? (for much younger audiences who have only come into Bond with the Craig films, they would be new anyway.) It would be an opportunity to find out a bit more about them, perhaps. Also, if you wanted to add a bit of edge to the "flirting" between 'Penny and Bond, why not introduce a third character - Loelia Ponsonby ("Lil", as Bond called her), who was Bond's office PA in the books?

[Binyamin]

In a nod to Live and Let Die and also the Ruger Redhawk Bond kept in the Silver Beast... Craig armed like this for a specific mission, in a leather shoulder holster.
http://www.imfdb.org...1/Lald-mag2.jpg

[sharpshooter]

Along with a more relaxed tone, I'd like lounge music ala "Try" and "Tiffany Case" to compliment it.

And fun chilled out numbers like "Bond Drops in" and "Bond to New York".