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[Aris007]

Well I believe the title is preety specific, but let's sum my thought.

Now that Quantum Of Solace has grown in everybody, what -in your opinion- should be changed in the formula of Bond 22 for the upcoming film(eg. the title song, the main titles, the PTS, the villain.....etc) and in what way?

[marktmurphy]

It just needs a better story than the last, I'd say. Something cleverer and a bit more surprising.
I'd like to see a tension scene or two rather than just pure action scenes.

[Messervy]

I'd like to get my "bigger than life Bond" back: Bond smoking cigars, Bond courting women, extraordinary villain's lair, witty plot dialogue between Bond and the main villain, original henchman, Q branch (although no invisible car!), etc.

Although I very much like the "realistic" down-to-earth CR & QoS, I would positively love some good-old-times extravaganza Bond.

[BoogieBond]

I Would like to see a couple of changes from the formula of Bond 22(QOS).
A slightly lighter tone, as has been mentioned in other threads
I agree as above with a focus on story, as was the case in CR. Less action scenes, but what action scenes there are would be really epic scenes. Story with some original twists, and a focus on the Bond character.
A bit of size and scope applied to the picture, via some glamorous locations and epic sequences.
Maybe a down to earth gadget introduced from Q-Branch, not gimmicky however.
Gunbarrel at the beginning

Edited by BoogieBond, 28 July 2010 - 11:12 AM.

[DominicGreene]

I would like the soundtrack to be more unique from QoS and also is it just me, or do i want a more brutal Bond with more blood, wounds, bruises, etc?

[DamnCoffee]

My thoughts.

• A traditional Gunbarrel sequence for Craig, at the beginning of the movie.
• A brand new story, but linked to Quantum somehow.
• The return of Camille, maybe have them bump into each other half way through the movie, and team up.
• Daniel Kleinman returning for the films title sequence.
• A new composer. Arnold is pretty dull, in all fairness.
• More of the James Bond theme.
• Something that belongs in the Craig era, but in lighter tone. A more fun, popcorny type Bond film, but still very grounded in reality.
• An outlandish villain, with an awesome lair, with a believable master-plan.
• Bond in the snow, we haven't had that for a while.
• Action sequences, on a grand scale.
• A more character driven picture, but with a light hearted tone.
• A huge twist at the end of the movie, maybe the death of M?

[Aris007]

I'd like to see a tension scene or two rather than just pure action scenes.

Perhaps you're right. I think we've moved forward from the action packed film era, which ended with Brosnan's period. A tense scene will add more thriller elements, which suits to Craig's Bond since he represents the darker aspect of Bond's character.

A bit of size and scope applied to the picture, via some glamorous locations and epic sequences.
Maybe a down to earth gadget introduced from Q-Branch, not gimmicky however.
Gunbarrel at the beginning

Could you define epic? It sounds good, but confusing at the same time!
I like the down-to-earth Q-Branch idea though! No more invisible cars!

I would like the soundtrack to be more unique from QoS and also is it just me, or do i want a more brutal Bond with more blood, wounds, bruises, etc?

Yeah, you made that preety clear from your thread in the "Quantum Of Soalce" section and you're totally right. The film hasn't got a breathtaking score like "Casino Royale" for me, which had unique tracks in the entire film.

My thoughts.

• A traditional Gunbarrel sequence for Craig, at the beginning of the movie.
• A brand new story, but linked to Quantum somehow.
• The return of Camille, maybe have them bump into each other half way through the movie, and team up.
• Daniel Kleinman returning for the films title sequence.
• A new composer. Arnold is pretty dull, in all fairness.
• More of the James Bond theme.
• Something that belongs in the Craig era, but in lighter tone. A more fun, popcorny type Bond film, but still very grounded in reality.
• An outlandish villain, with an awesome lair, with a believable master-plan.
• Bond in the snow, we haven't had that for a while.
• Action sequences, on a grand scale.
• A more character driven picture, but with a light hearted tone.
• A huge twist at the end of the movie, maybe the death of M?

I'll agree o your points listed as 1, 4, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12.

But I'm afraid I want it to be completely irrelevant with Quantum. I think that if the storyline messes with Quantum again things will get really compliated. I believe that we should have a completely new adventure. Just like Goldfinger, where the story was not related to SPECTRE.

And also I don't want Camille back. Her character wasn't so deep and if she'll be in the cast that means that the plot will be connected to the QoS one thing that I'm not in favor of!

Cool ideas on the whole to everybody!

[Harmsway]

What I'd like to see in BOND 23 that wasn't in QUANTUM OF SOLACE?

• An emphasis on suspense, rather than action (in fact, only one major action sequence will do).
• A significant period of time spent in a single locale, rather than globehopping.
• The complete absence of a reprimand from M.
• Characterization that relies upon small, light touches rather than "dramatic" moments.
• A jazzy score.
• Something like those classic, bizarre Fleming touches (examples: the endurance test/torture of DR. NO, the Garden of Death in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, Specreville in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER).

[Lachesis]

What I'd like to see in BOND 23 that wasn't in QUANTUM OF SOLACE?

• An emphasis on suspense, rather than action (in fact, only one major action sequence will do).
• A significant period of time spent in a single locale, rather than globehopping.
• The complete absence of a reprimand from M.
• Characterization that relies upon small, light touches rather than "dramatic" moments.
• A jazzy score.
• Something like those classic, bizarre Fleming touches (examples: the endurance test/torture of DR. NO, the Garden of Death in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, Specreville in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER).

Agree with this, I'd like to see a return to the thriller/adventure style of film making.

[Judo chop]

Lasers.
Plastic sets.
Adolescent one-liners I can see coming from a mile away.
An overacting, heavy breathing Bond with breasts and arms like wet linguini.
Another clone of Dr. No villain.
A pinup female lead who is no deeper on film than she is in her pinup form.
Allies that do nothing except refer to Bond by his MI6 number in the field.

Wait a sec… I guess QOS ain’t so bad after all?

Seriously though, I do like much of Harms’ list above, with a few caveats. Three locations is still perfect for me, and M reprimands can appear, but must be in the form of small, passing jabs, like our man Bernard used to do.

I would also add to the list one death-defying, preferably record-breaking, stunt.

[OmarB]

Well I can't say QOS has grown on me since I've seen it only once. But to be fair I say it all the time, I'm more of a literary fan than a film fan.

The tone I would have liked more in the CR vein. I think they thought going even more brutal and more hard for QOS is what people wanted, but it came out hollow. I also would have liked more story, less action (I know right, weird asking for less action). I also like my Bond going through an ordeal. Think back to CR, MR, Dr No, etc., Bond should not be an unstoppable death machine, I like when he gets hurt, tortured, beat up.

What I would love to see on film is the Garden Of Death. Yes it could be worked into an upcoming movie, look how LALD's climax was used in ... that other movie I can't remember now. I know, it's sad right, a Bond fan who doesn't really know the movies.

[Aris007]

Plastic sets.

I like that!

[The Shark]

- Sex, and a somewhat less prudish Bond
- David Arnold replaced
- Bond smoking tobacco
- Abandonment of the political ramifications, left-wing preachiness, and shades of grey relativism of QOS
- Despicable misogyny
- A lighter touch
- A return to the benign bizarre
- One or two action setpieces
- Colourful, saturated cinematography
- Gentleman's clubs
- Sophistication, snobbery, and small little obscure tidbits of general knowledge and etiquette and personal dislikes, implemented into the script. Rather like Fleming projecting his own suspicion of anyone wearing a tie with a Windsor Knot
- No more personal vendettas, of any form or variety
- An absence of rogue/anti-authoritarian Bond
- Not another "Bond's equal"
- No psychobabble from M, Dench voiceover in the trailer, or an indulgent use of the word 'trust'
- A sense of fun
- Sparse monologues from Bond, bookending the film
- Perhaps a visit to Bond's Chelsea flat, and some time spent at Scott's bar, the MI6 canteen, Bond's office and some of the more mundane features of Bond's everyday life

[DominicGreene]

- Sex, and a somewhat less prudish Bond
- David Arnold replaced
- Bond smoking tobacco
- Abandonment of the political ramifications, left-wing preachiness, and shades of grey relativism of QOS
- Despicable misogyny
- A lighter touch
- A return to the benign bizarre
- One or two action setpieces
- Colourful, saturated cinematography
- Gentleman's clubs
- Sophistication, snobbery, and small little obscure tidbits of general knowledge and etiquette and personal dislikes, implemented into the script. Rather like Fleming projecting his own suspicion of anyone wearing a tie with a Windsor Knot
- No more personal vendettas, of any form or variety
- An absence of rogue/anti-authoritarian Bond
- Not another "Bond's equal"
- No psychobabble from M, Dench voiceover in the trailer, or an indulgent use of the word 'trust'
- A sense of fun
- Sparse monologues from Bond, bookending the film
- Perhaps a visit to Bond's Chelsea flat, and some time spent at Scott's bar, the MI6 canteen, Bond's office and some of the more mundane features of Bond's everyday life

I agree 100%, you summed up what Bond 23 should BE

[Aris007]

- Sex, and a somewhat less prudish Bond
- David Arnold replaced
- Bond smoking tobacco
- Abandonment of the political ramifications, left-wing preachiness, and shades of grey relativism of QOS
- Despicable misogyny
- A lighter touch
- A return to the benign bizarre
- One or two action setpieces
- Colourful, saturated cinematography
- Gentleman's clubs
- Sophistication, snobbery, and small little obscure tidbits of general knowledge and etiquette and personal dislikes, implemented into the script. Rather like Fleming projecting his own suspicion of anyone wearing a tie with a Windsor Knot
- No more personal vendettas, of any form or variety
- An absence of rogue/anti-authoritarian Bond
- Not another "Bond's equal"
- No psychobabble from M, Dench voiceover in the trailer, or an indulgent use of the word 'trust'
- A sense of fun
- Sparse monologues from Bond, bookending the film
- Perhaps a visit to Bond's Chelsea flat, and some time spent at Scott's bar, the MI6 canteen, Bond's office and some of the more mundane features of Bond's everyday life

I have two thing to say. First really clear and terrific ideas and second you really know how to use English, Sir! I've never seen somebody using so many different and rare words. I take my hat off!

[Mr. Blofeld]

Plastic sets.

I like that!

Um... he was joking.

[Aris007]

Plastic sets.

I like that!

Um... he was joking.

Well.....I was sarcastic, mate as he was too!

[Napoleon Solo]

Film's unofficial slogan should be: This time it's NOT personal!

[double o ego]

- Sex, and a somewhat less prudish Bond
- David Arnold replaced
- Bond smoking tobacco
- Abandonment of the political ramifications, left-wing preachiness, and shades of grey relativism of QOS
- Despicable misogyny
- A lighter touch
- A return to the benign bizarre
- One or two action setpieces
- Colourful, saturated cinematography
- Gentleman's clubs
- Sophistication, snobbery, and small little obscure tidbits of general knowledge and etiquette and personal dislikes, implemented into the script. Rather like Fleming projecting his own suspicion of anyone wearing a tie with a Windsor Knot
- No more personal vendettas, of any form or variety
- An absence of rogue/anti-authoritarian Bond
- Not another "Bond's equal"
- No psychobabble from M, Dench voiceover in the trailer, or an indulgent use of the word 'trust'
- A sense of fun
- Sparse monologues from Bond, bookending the film
- Perhaps a visit to Bond's Chelsea flat, and some time spent at Scott's bar, the MI6 canteen, Bond's office and some of the more mundane features of Bond's everyday life

...and Bingo was his name-o.

Just to elaborate on the whole M character. It's suggested that M trusts Bond after he escaped from the mi6 goons and I want M to have complete tust in Bond's abilities and judgement. Obviously, her demeanour towards him in CR and QoS is justified because it's Bond at the start of his 00 career BUT I've always treasured that particular scene in TB when M blindly has complete faith in what Bond says regarding the death of Duval.

[jaguar007]

- No more personal vendettas, of any form or variety

I agree with much of what you said in this post, but especially this. Is is really time to move away from personal vendettas. The last time Bond was on a non-personal mission was TLD in 198frickin7 (although CR was not personal until toward the end).

[Aris007]

- No more personal vendettas, of any form or variety

I agree with much of what you said in this post, but especially this. Is is really time to move away from personal vendettas. The last time Bond was on a non-personal mission was TLD in 198frickin7 (although CR was not personal until toward the end).

What about TWINE? I don't think it was personal!

[OmarB]

- Sex, and a somewhat less prudish Bond
- David Arnold replaced
- Bond smoking tobacco
- Abandonment of the political ramifications, left-wing preachiness, and shades of grey relativism of QOS
- Despicable misogyny
- A lighter touch
- A return to the benign bizarre
- One or two action setpieces
- Colourful, saturated cinematography
- Gentleman's clubs
- Sophistication, snobbery, and small little obscure tidbits of general knowledge and etiquette and personal dislikes, implemented into the script. Rather like Fleming projecting his own suspicion of anyone wearing a tie with a Windsor Knot
- No more personal vendettas, of any form or variety
- An absence of rogue/anti-authoritarian Bond
- Not another "Bond's equal"
- No psychobabble from M, Dench voiceover in the trailer, or an indulgent use of the word 'trust'
- A sense of fun
- Sparse monologues from Bond, bookending the film
- Perhaps a visit to Bond's Chelsea flat, and some time spent at Scott's bar, the MI6 canteen, Bond's office and some of the more mundane features of Bond's everyday life

Great list, but I could not agree with you more on the colors issue! Look at Dr No, FRWL, GF, bright, bold colors, almost technicolr brilliance, I love it. But really, I have not seen movies with great coloring like that in a while (unless they overdo it like Tim Burton or those dudes who did Speed Racer). I love my old school Disney movies too, like Escape To Witch Mountain, Herbie, Mary Poppins, etc, movies that just looked pretty.

[jaguar007]

What about TWINE? I don't think it was personal!

Well Bond took it personally. He fell for Elektra and was betrayed by her so it became personal. To a lesser extent he was also the one who delivered the money/bomb that killed King.

[Aris007]

What about TWINE? I don't think it was personal!

Well Bond took it personally. He fell for Elektra and was betrayed by her so it became personal. To a lesser extent he was also the one who delivered the money/bomb that killed King.

OK, I see your point!

[jaguar007]

OK, I see your point!

You do??? You agree??? Wait, this is the internet! We are supposed to argue endlessly back and fourth and try to convince the other person that we are right knowing full well that we will never change their opinion! We are supposed to call each other names like "troll" etc. Don't you know the rules of the internet

[Aris007]

OK, I see your point!

You do??? You agree??? Wait, this is the internet! We are supposed to argue endlessly back and fourth and try to convince the other person that we are right knowing full well that we will never change their opinion! We are supposed to call each other names like "troll" etc. Don't you know the rules of the internet

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[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Barrel at the beginning, more use of the Bond theme, not so vectorized Macromedia-Flash-alike titles for a good start. And maybe some gadgets in the cars, not much, but a few could come in handy.

[Guy Haines]

I'd like to see Quantum, or whoever, involved in a Thunderball style plot. We haven't had the world actually being blackmailed by Bond villains for years - decades, in fact, if you think about it.

A return of the gun barrel opening, and a few more gadgets on the Aston Martin, but, please, no ejector seat.

As for the "return of a lighter tone" - be careful what you wish for out there. The tone of CR was about right for Daniel Craig's Bond. As with OHMSS, we may be letting one or two heavily emotional scenes cloud our judgement of Craig's first outing as Bond - CR was not without its lighter moments, nor indeed was QoS, though there were fewer of them. My concern about a lighter tone is that the film makers may opt for a 180 degree turn for Bond 23, and we may end up with a film which doesn't suit Craig's Bond, or most of us. And, frankly, I don't think the humour side of Bond has ever been as good as in the early films of the 1960s, and I wonder who, out there, could re-create that.

[Aris007]

Barrel at the beginning, more use of the Bond theme, not so vectorized Macromedia-Flash-alike titles for a good start. And maybe some gadgets in the cars, not much, but a few could come in handy.

That's my boy! Compendius as always! Spot on!

[The Shark]

What about TWINE? I don't think it was personal!

For M it was, in regards to her feelings for Elektra. Remember the whole "my feelings as a mother" scene? That was pretty painful.

There's also Bond's schoolboy like attachment to Elektra (however unconvincing) - i.e. Bond stroking Elektra's tears on the computer monitor, and the death of 009.