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[Harmsway]

Three locations is still perfect for me

Ala THUNDERBALL? If so, that's more or less what I'm looking for. I'd just like a new Bond film where we actually got to know a given location rather than using it as a brief splash of wallpaper for an action sequence.

and M reprimands can appear, but must be in the form of small, passing jabs, like our man Bernard used to do.

Fair enough.

I would also add to the list one death-defying, preferably record-breaking, stunt.

Sure.

[marktmurphy]

[*]Something like those classic, bizarre Fleming touches (examples: the endurance test/torture of DR. NO, the Garden of Death in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, Specreville in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER).

It definitely needs someone with a more original eye. It's what made CR so good: the story was so different from what everyone has become used to with Bond, with the quite wonderfully silly idea of gambling a bloke to death (and then finding out that that doesn't work and he'll kill you anyway!) and Bond actually running off to hold hands with a girl and wear sweatshirts. Quantum chucked all of that out with a bog standard villain-with-a-lair plot. It actually has less new ideas than the plots of DAD and TWINE!

[jaguar007]

[*]Something like those classic, bizarre Fleming touches (examples: the endurance test/torture of DR. NO, the Garden of Death in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, Specreville in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER).

YEs, one reason I love the Bodyworks Museum scene in CR. Although it is a real exhibit, it seems like a bizarre location Fleming would dream up.

[The Shark]

[*]Something like those classic, bizarre Fleming touches (examples: the endurance test/torture of DR. NO, the Garden of Death in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, Specreville in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER).

YEs, one reason I love the Bodyworks Museum scene in CR. Although it is a real exhibit, it seems like a bizarre location Fleming would dream up.

Yeah, though on the whole, I'd say CASINO ROYALE sorely lacked that element, as did QOS. Hence one of the key reasons why Bourne-Bond comparisons keep coming back.

[Syndicate]

Gunbarrel at the start, before the precredit stuff

Return of Q and Q branch (no close to the real world type. The Bond world is super spy stuff)

Famous Bond lines like Bond, James Bond and ones that only fit Daniel Criag (every Bond stars got that when playing Bond)

The story does not have to be about Quantum or anything to do with them.

Good locations like Georgia, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Ivory Coast, Macau, Australia, Bern and Morocco

Title song as good as Nobody Does It Better, For Your Eyes Only, Licence To Kill and You Know My Name that fit the current movie

Scores as good as Hercules Takes Off(from TLD), Mujahadin And Opium(TLD), Airbase Jailbreak(TLD), White Knight, Backseat Driver, The Goldeneye Overture(from GE), Run, Shoot and Jump(from GE), Dish Out Of Water(from GE) and Snow Job(from AVTAK) that will fit each part of the current movie

Edited by Syndicate, 29 July 2010 - 01:35 AM.

[The Shark]

Good locations like Georgia, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Ivory Coast, Macau, Australia, Bern and Morocco

Unfortunately, Bond's already been there.

[DCI_director]

I would like to see the Gun barrel at the beginning, a big brass like title song like Surrender (we've had enough rock like Bond songs for a while), Daniel Kleinman doing the titles, bringing back the naked girls in the titles, non American and British Bond girls, a true threat to England, a villainous Bond Girl, gadgets -even a few in the Aston Martin, Q and Moneypenny, showing of the real MI6 building, Bond getting his mission in M's office. We can still have a serious tone, but lets bring back a little bit of fun. Even Craig said that he wants to bring those "Bond" elements back. Even the real CIA, KGB, etc had pen guns. That's a pretty realistic gadget folks

[Messervy]

- No more personal vendettas, of any form or variety
- An absence of rogue/anti-authoritarian Bond

- No psychobabble from M, Dench voiceover in the trailer, or an indulgent use of the word 'trust'

oh yes!
I'm honestly sick and tired of all these "who am I" from Bond and "can I really trust you" from M.
We've had this rogue/trust/vendetta thing continuously since DAD, so it's time to end it. It's time for Bond being Bond, doing what he does best (womanizing, smoking cigars, playing Chemin-de-fer, ridiculously terminating the villain's plot, etc.)

Edited by Messervy, 29 July 2010 - 08:17 AM.

[Aris007]

[*]Something like those classic, bizarre Fleming touches (examples: the endurance test/torture of DR. NO, the Garden of Death in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, Specreville in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER).

YEs, one reason I love the Bodyworks Museum scene in CR. Although it is a real exhibit, it seems like a bizarre location Fleming would dream up.

Yeah, though on the whole, I'd say CASINO ROYALE sorely lacked that element, as did QOS. Hence one of the key reasons why Bourne-Bond comparisons keep coming back.

In my book, those Fleming touches vanished as soon as Connery left the part. And if CR couldn't bring them back, I don't think that any film will.

[Messervy]

[*]Something like those classic, bizarre Fleming touches (examples: the endurance test/torture of DR. NO, the Garden of Death in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, Specreville in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER).

YEs, one reason I love the Bodyworks Museum scene in CR. Although it is a real exhibit, it seems like a bizarre location Fleming would dream up.

Yeah, though on the whole, I'd say CASINO ROYALE sorely lacked that element, as did QOS. Hence one of the key reasons why Bourne-Bond comparisons keep coming back.

In my book, those Fleming touches vanished as soon as Connery left the part. And if CR couldn't bring them back, I don't think that any film will.

??!!
What bout Scaramanga's fun house, to name but just one example of "bizarre" touch?

[Harmsway]

Yeah, though on the whole, I'd say CASINO ROYALE sorely lacked that element, as did QOS. Hence one of the key reasons why Bourne-Bond comparisons keep coming back.

I think CASINO ROYALE did fine. After all, the novel didn't have much of the "Fleming bizarre" either.

But QUANTUM OF SOLACE dialed things back even further, and that has me a little upset. Give me villains with grotesque traits and strange affinities, with absurd but intriguing sinister plans.

[BoogieBond]

Yes, CR had the villain with a bleeding tear duct and kept awake by benzodrine inhaler, a nice touch.

[marktmurphy]

Yeah, though on the whole, I'd say CASINO ROYALE sorely lacked that element, as did QOS. Hence one of the key reasons why Bourne-Bond comparisons keep coming back.

I think CASINO ROYALE did fine. After all, the novel didn't have much of the "Fleming bizarre" either.

But QUANTUM OF SOLACE dialed things back even further, and that has me a little upset. Give me villains with grotesque traits and strange affinities, with absurd but intriguing sinister plans.

The CR plot is pretty bizarre and insane, so that was enough for me, and they added the crying blood thing which I didn't hate, so I'd agree, CR did well.
Having Camille disfigured was a bit Fleming-y, but that was about it for QoS.

[Aris007]

[*]Something like those classic, bizarre Fleming touches (examples: the endurance test/torture of DR. NO, the Garden of Death in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, Specreville in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER).

YEs, one reason I love the Bodyworks Museum scene in CR. Although it is a real exhibit, it seems like a bizarre location Fleming would dream up.

Yeah, though on the whole, I'd say CASINO ROYALE sorely lacked that element, as did QOS. Hence one of the key reasons why Bourne-Bond comparisons keep coming back.

In my book, those Fleming touches vanished as soon as Connery left the part. And if CR couldn't bring them back, I don't think that any film will.

??!!
What bout Scaramanga's fun house, to name but just one example of "bizarre" touch?

Pardon me, but Fleming used those elements in his books without going near comedy. He used them, bt kept the storyline tense. That's something I don't see in TMWTGG. What I see is a dull movie, with an under-used Fleming touch.

I have to say though, that I forgot about the bleeding eye of Le Chiffre, which was another Fleming touch used in the proper way, however!

[sharpshooter]

Nobody likes watching cold, dull mechanical chores. Pushing the QoS angle even further could risk that. I suppose I want something resembling the tone of the valet scene in CR, or even the first half of DAD. Or for another comparison, the scene in GF where Bond hangs his suit in front of the peephole, and sprays shaving cream. I'd like to see Craig do stuff like that.

CR and QoS have set Bond up, and I think it's time for the gunbarrel to open the film. He's earnt it now. I want more of the Bond Theme, too. I don't want overuse, but I do want it played obviously (not hidden or used briefly) in full duration during the film, not for the first time at the end credits. Again, Bond has earnt it.

[DaveBond21]

I agree with many of the ideas here. Good work, everyone.

The main ones I'd suggest are:-

The gunbarrel at the beginning

No more reprimands from M

No more rogue Bond / revenge theme - how about 007 is simply on a mission.


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[Syndicate]

Good locations like Georgia, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Ivory Coast, Macau, Australia, Bern and Morocco

Unfortunately, Bond's already been there.

Since he been to those places, then these Libya, Indonesia and Bulgaria

[jaguar007]

I suppose I want something resembling the tone of the valet scene in CR, or even the first half of DAD. Or for another comparison, the scene in GF where Bond hangs his suit in front of the peephole, and sprays shaving cream. I'd like to see Craig do stuff like that.

Agreed, Craig can pull off those subtle things like Connery did perfectly. They made the same mistake with Criag in QOS that they did with Dalton in LTK, they made a movie where he is serious and brooding. Although they do have their moments, Bond lacks the charm needed.

[Aris007]

I suppose I want something resembling the tone of the valet scene in CR, or even the first half of DAD. Or for another comparison, the scene in GF where Bond hangs his suit in front of the peephole, and sprays shaving cream. I'd like to see Craig do stuff like that.

Agreed, Craig can pull off those subtle things like Connery did perfectly. They made the same mistake with Criag in QOS that they did with Dalton in LTK, they made a movie where he is serious and brooding. Although they do have their moments, Bond lacks the charm needed.

For me that's one of the reasons why QoS was a let-down. We had one film where Craig played the serious hard aspect of Bond. People wanted a more light version, which I'm sure we'll have in his third film.

[captnash2]

peter bart kinda sums up what we all want from 'bond 23'-

http://www.variety.c...tegoryId=1&cs=1

don't think they should kill off dench's m-that would mean yet another revenge/'its personal' thing we could do without.

[Aris007]

peter bart kinda sums up what we all want from 'bond 23'-

http://www.variety.c...tegoryId=1&cs=1

don't think they should kill off dench's m-that would mean yet another revenge/'its personal' thing we could do without.

I hope the producers are aware that the audience doesn't want a personal affair movie anymore. I have to say though that the Cruise/Bond comparison was a bit unfortune!

[BoogieBond]

I like that Variety article

The Wit and style are one element where Bond differentiates himself from other generic action films. I like the mention of Bond(during the Connery outings) being the coolest/calmest most collected dude in the house. Plus the epic element of Cubby putting all the money on the screen, so the ambition for a Bond film was so much more than your ordinary action flick, the stunts were big, the locations were extraordinary exotic, its not just merely someone shooting a machine gun or having a car chase.

[captnash2]

a few more one liners would help.

QoS's meagre lines about florists and teachers winning the lottery don't cut it.


in the end fleming wants you to take bond stories seriously but not that seriously.
so it should be with the films.

Edited by captnash2, 03 August 2010 - 09:05 AM.

[captnash2]

if jeffery wright returns as leiter could 'bond 23' start to build up his friendship with bond as it is in the books.

or at least have it be as friendly as it was in GF, TB and LALD.

[Aris007]

Well both scenarios can work since the producers don't follow Fleming's timeline. I'd choose the second though!

[Bond Maniac]

I myself would really only like to see it happen. As it stands now, things don´t look to good.

[captnash2]

stop bond being the stone cold killer that connery and craig have been and be more the reluctant assasin of the books.
QoS showed him stay his hand to yusef in the climax but he should be less bloodthirsty, forced to kill if necessary.

[Goodnight]

Change that god awful title song. Don't get me wrong I love Alicia Keys and Jack White, but I just don't think the two go well together.


Well you see, I love fish and I love ice cream, but I wouldn't eat fish and ice cream together.

Hopefully you get my drift.

[Iroquois]

stop bond being the stone cold killer that connery and craig have been and be more the reluctant assasin of the books.
QoS showed him stay his hand to yusef in the climax but he should be less bloodthirsty, forced to kill if necessary.

This has been discussed numerous times, and the fact of the matter is that in QOS all of Bond's kills are in self-defense except during the shootout at the end, though those were revenge kills.

In Casino Royale, we are shown numerous times that Bond doesn't actually like the killing, most notably in the pre-titles and after the stairwell fight. In Craig's Bond's psychological report that was on the CR website, it justifies the quips etc. by saying that that was how he dealt with his inner turmoil.

Either way, in QOS we were meant to question Bond's motivations so it's fair enough that people found him bloodthirsty in that film, even if when you examine the film closely, you notice he wasn't. I wonder if M's conflicted views on Bond's motivations in the film rubbed off on the audience...

[jaguar007]

Variety said

Craig, the most recent Bond, was by far the most lethal -- the movies' body count increased accordingly

While yes, more lethal and did more killing with his hands, the body count went down considerably from the Brosnan films. I remember at some point one member did a count of kills from the Craig films v/s the Brosnan films.