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#721 David Schofield

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:31 AM

* May, Bond's Scottish housekeeper will be replaced by an as-yet unnamed Indian or Pakistani maidservant
If there had to be one Bond character that does not return, May is the correct one to omit. Don't really mind her absence and am interested in seeing who this new maid is. And on a side note, although I am not British, I don't quite understand all the hullabaloo some are having about this Indian/Pakastani maid revelation. While those nationalities may or may not be as prevalent in Britain as Jeffery Deaver said, I'm sure one can find some examples.


I think the gripe for us Brits (and lets be honest, Deaver is in the unfortunate position of having to convince us he understands "Britishness" after Benson clearly did not) is his assertion of a fact that is quite clearly WRONG. Deaver did not suggest that there an instances of Indo-Pak "maidservants" but that they were noticeable prevalent in British society which they are not. I think it leaves the Brit reader wryly dismayed that Deaver's understanding of the present day Britain is more misguided than he might believe it to be.

Of course, had he said Bond HAS to have an Indo-Pak "maidservant" 'cos its a plot device, none of us would have minded.

And I don't think there are many Brits who are annoyed that a briefly sceen, elderly Scottish housekeeper isn't returning.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:51 AM

* May, Bond's Scottish housekeeper will be replaced by an as-yet unnamed Indian or Pakistani maidservant
If there had to be one Bond character that does not return, May is the correct one to omit. Don't really mind her absence and am interested in seeing who this new maid is. And on a side note, although I am not British, I don't quite understand all the hullabaloo some are having about this Indian/Pakastani maid revelation. While those nationalities may or may not be as prevalent in Britain as Jeffery Deaver said, I'm sure one can find some examples.


I think the gripe for us Brits (and lets be honest, Deaver is in the unfortunate position of having to convince us he understands "Britishness" after Benson clearly did not) is his assertion of a fact that is quite clearly WRONG. Deaver did not say that there an instances of Indo-Pak "maidservants" but that they were noticeable prevalent in British society which they are not. I think it leaves the Brit reader a little dismayed that Deaver's understanding of the present day Britain is more misguided than he might believe it to be.



The misconception may perhaps be due to personal research. If Deaver's contacts in GB happen to employ two or more servants from the subcontinent, then he may well have got the impression this was closer to the rule than to the exception. A profound idea of conditions and circumstances in a given area and a knowledge of actual everyday life obviously isn't the same. But I have to say that doesn't bother me at all. An Indian/Pakistani background could well be explained by the character formerly working for the SIS in these nations.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 11:00 AM

The misconception may perhaps be due to personal research. If Deaver's contacts in GB happen to employ two or more servants from the subcontinent, then he may well have got the impression this was closer to the rule than to the exception. A profound idea of conditions and circumstances in a given area and a knowledge of actual everyday life obviously isn't the same. But I have to say that doesn't bother me at all. An Indian/Pakistani background could well be explained by the character formerly working for the SIS in these nations.


Trident, you miss the point I'm trying to make here. B)

As Double Oh Agent has pointed out there might be examples of Indo-Pak "maidservants". It doesn't matter if there's only one. And as YOU say, the conceit might be that they might be ex-SIS. I have NO problem whatever with either suggestion.

What I WAS trying to put forward, however, was the overall sinking feeling Deaver's belief in the accuracy of his informtion leaves: if Deaver's reseach into THAT particular element of British life is incorrect, what other "British" errors might he be deluded in to making????

The solution is a TURNED ON editior who is very British. Rather than whoever nurse-maided Benson so poorly.

We don't want the parody of Britishness Loomis has essayed the other day, do we? :tdown:

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 11:10 AM

The solution is a TURNED ON editior who is very British. Rather than whoever nurse-maided Benson so poorly.

We don't want the parody of Britishness Loomis has essayed the other day, do we? :tdown:


Agreed! B)

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 02:19 PM

Re: Superman and Batman

Both these characters have remained roughly the same age since 1938 and 1939, respectively, with stories being told about their pasts and futures wherein they have, by necessity, regressed or increased, in age.

However, by the establishment of several parallel universes, DC Comics has allowed for this. While this does not necessarily account for the fact that the characters still age at a very slow pace given the fact that, as far as I can tell, Batman and Superman have remained at a more or less constant continuity since the late 80s without aging all that much (although Batman now has an actual son, born in 1988, and is now about 11 or 12). Still, the fact is that a single story, which in real life, would only encompass a few weeks at best, can last a year or more, given the more or less monthly publishing schedule.

I have mentioned before, that, given the simple presence of Superman, DC Comics exist in a world of science fiction. Thus, parallel Earths and everything else can exist without batting an eye.

Bond does not enjoy such a luxury. Despite the fact that technology exists in the films which may not in real life, which may then indeed set them "one minute in the future" which is often quoted to Michael Wilson (out of curiosity, when did he actually utter that phrase?) the Bond films are rooted in reality. The books even more so.

Thus, although I would want nothing more then an all emcompassing official line on the films (but that may exist if one takes the line from the DK Guide, officially endorsed by EON to the films which acknowledge Bond as a real person, with different actors taking on the exploits of one single "real" man) outside of that DK book, and for that matter, an official line regarding the books, which would reconcile the different takes on Bond's world. For the books, that was not much of a problem, given that every author, aside from John Pearson, Samantha Weinberg and now Jeffrey Deaver, have written or are writing, Bond adventures which all fit into one large continuity. The fact that the Bond of those books would probably be in his 90s is simply and correctly ignored. (For the record, I do acknowledge that Bond's nephew, from the 1960s book and 1990s TV series would have a problem existing, given Fleming's and especially Higson's establishment that Bond had no siblings--but as far as I know, there is no record of Andrew Bond not fathering an illegitmate offspring.)

Now, as I mentioned before, Bond actually existing in "real life" as put forth by Pearson and Weinberg would exist in a separate continuity.

Now Project X is giving us a third continuity. Do I think this necessary? Absolutely not. I argued earlier that continuing Bond, chronogically, from where Raymond Benson left him is indeed possible. I am sure that Mr. Deaver is capable of doing so without even thinking about it. However, and I acknowledge that this may be premature, a decision has been made from the IFP to give Bond a new continuity. For all we know, that may indeed change. The fact is that all of us on this forum are pretty much guaranteed to at least read the first book in Project X, and the majority will be purchasing the book. In terms of book sales, that will have very little effect.

The fact is that the general public, who probably have never heard of May, and for that mater, have no idea who Bill Tanner is, have to buy the book, and have enough interest to buy the next book, and so on. Thus, the real challenge for Mr. Deaver is to make the general public believe they are reading about James Bond.

Going back to the DC discussion, the fact is that despite the parallel universes, very, very little has changed with regard to the core characters and situations of the lives of Batman and Superman. Other characters in DC Comics may enjoy more widespread changes, but as they are not as well known by the general public, that is either here nor there. The core characters of the supporting cast have changed very little. I would argue that Commissioner Gordon is Batman's M, and despite being retired for a couple of years, he is back in full force. The other characters remain--Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Alfred, Barbara Gordon, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Perry White, Lana Lang--and although there has been some tinkering with their histories (especially with regard to Ma and Pa Kent, dead until 1986, and then fully alive, with Pa Kent now dead again) the fact is that they are essentially the same characters. Maybe a bit more mature given the maturation of the average comic book reader, but essentially the same characters.

Bond does not enjoy such a rich supporting cast. Here's hoping that Mr. Deaver will be as successful as the average DC Comics writer in making us believe that we are still reading the adventures of our favorite hero. Anything less would be criminal!

Bill


Good post man. I was thinking solely in terms of Earth 1. Yes, DC expands over many universes and continuity. Now I'm thinking the same thing could work here with Bond, treat it like a DC separate but similar universes.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 08:10 PM

Double_Oh Agent:

Great post--I am in agreement on almost all points. If we can't have a straight continuation, then this appears to be the next best thing, particularly as IFP have not ruled out other Bond novels outside of this new continuity.

OmarB:

Thanks for the compliment! Here's hoping that this new Bond will still be Bond as much as the parallel universe versions of the DC pantheon are like themselves (it that makes any sense!)

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 08:30 PM

As Double Oh Agent has pointed out there might be examples of Indo-Pak "maidservants". It doesn't matter if there's only one. And as YOU say, the conceit might be that they might be ex-SIS. I have NO problem whatever with either suggestion.

What I WAS trying to put forward, however, was the overall sinking feeling Deaver's belief in the accuracy of his informtion leaves: if Deaver's reseach into THAT particular element of British life is incorrect, what other "British" errors might he be deluded in to making????

The solution is a TURNED ON editior who is very British. Rather than whoever nurse-maided Benson so poorly.

We don't want the parody of Britishness Loomis has essayed the other day, do we? B)


I totally get your point, David, and your concern, but it all seems like a rush to judgement to me. He was put on the spot by a fan at a signing. We can all mis-speak or make mistakes in that sort of situation. He seems like the sort of guy who takes his research seriously, though, so I'll have faith in him until we see any evidence to the contrary in his actual novel. Also, it seems unlikely that the narrative would actually say anything about the prevalance of domestic staff from India and Pakistan; it will probably just be a character and--as you say--quite possibly a plot device. And I doubt that readers will draw any conclusions like, "oh, all maids in Britain must be Indian!" from that any more than they ever concluded that all maids must be Scottish in the past.

You're absolutely right about the editor. Ultimately, a lot will come down to him or her. In the US, we are constantly subjected to having British novels subtly re-written to appeal to our American sensiblities. I'm pretty sure this happened with Young Bond (at least SilverFin), and Zencat recently posted that something similar had occurred with the latest Higson non-Bond novel, too. Even Fleming had Americanisms imposed on some early paperback editions of his novels. I've read that the editions of Moonraker and CR published as "Too Hot To Handle" and "You Asked For It" had Americanisms inserted. I've flipped through Too Hot To Handle and haven't actually found any evidence of this myself, but I'm a little reluctant to do any rifling in my delicate edition of You Asked For It. That's the word on the street, anyway. My point remains, though, that the editors in both countries have a lot of say on how American or British the text will sound. Personally, I'd prefer a British text here as well as there when we're talking about a British character, but I guess we'll see...

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 04:21 AM

Well I just got back from the book signing here in Seattle.

As others have mentioned, Deaver is a very open and sociable guy. He talked for almost an hour about his writing method and then spent time answering questions.

He didn't give away too much new information regarding Bond. He jokingly referred to IFP as his co-author, and that they didn't want him to give too much away.

What he did say was that he was almost complete with the outline, which he said was 190 pages as of today, and that he would begin writing it very soon. He mentioned that he usually writes a book in about 2 months, and then it takes another 2 months to edit.

He mentioned that Bond will be either 29, or 30, and that, like in Casino Royale the movie, He will be former military who has recently joined the 00-section.

He also said that he was hired to only write one book. He said that it was actually one of his conditions, because he has his own series to concentrate on, and he couldn't do 2 series at the same time. He said that he is setting up the atmosphere, the technical points, basically the foundation for this new series, and that sometime in the future, he may return and write another.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 04:28 AM

He also said that he was hired to only write one book. He said that it was actually one of his conditions, because he has his own series to concentrate on, and he couldn't do 2 series at the same time. He said that he is setting up the atmosphere, the technical points, basically the foundation for this new series, and that sometime in the future, he may return and write another.


This is big news. Thanks for the info.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 04:34 AM

He also mentioned that he will be writing about Fleming's Bond, but he will be using his signature elements, like plot twists, and that it will also take place over a short period of time, like a few days to a week.

Edited by jwheels, 11 June 2010 - 04:36 AM.


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Posted 11 June 2010 - 04:49 AM

He also said that he was hired to only write one book. He said that it was actually one of his conditions, because he has his own series to concentrate on, and he couldn't do 2 series at the same time. He said that he is setting up the atmosphere, the technical points, basically the foundation for this new series, and that sometime in the future, he may return and write another.


This is big news. Thanks for the info.



Was to be expected really. Deaver is consistently prolific for years now, but can only ever work so much time a day.

What I find most interesting is that Deaver may come back to Bond some time in the future. If you think about this then it really signifies IFP is planning considerable time into the future with Project X, making it perhaps the most 'professional' effort on the continuation front. It means IFP must already have at least two other writers lined up and a rough schedule for the further entries of X-Bond.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 05:19 AM

He also said that he was hired to only write one book. He said that it was actually one of his conditions, because he has his own series to concentrate on, and he couldn't do 2 series at the same time. He said that he is setting up the atmosphere, the technical points, basically the foundation for this new series, and that sometime in the future, he may return and write another.


This is big news. Thanks for the info.

Whoa. Yes. This is bigs news. Thanks.

Bond's age keeps creeping up. He was 28 at the last signing. Now he's 29 or 30. Outline keeps growing too. Fun that he's letting us into his thinking.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 08:41 AM

He also said that he was hired to only write one book. He said that it was actually one of his conditions, because he has his own series to concentrate on, and he couldn't do 2 series at the same time. He said that he is setting up the atmosphere, the technical points, basically the foundation for this new series, and that sometime in the future, he may return and write another.


This is big news. Thanks for the info.



Was to be expected really. Deaver is consistently prolific for years now, but can only ever work so much time a day.

What I find most interesting is that Deaver may come back to Bond some time in the future. If you think about this then it really signifies IFP is planning considerable time into the future with Project X, making it perhaps the most 'professional' effort on the continuation front. It means IFP must already have at least two other writers lined up and a rough schedule for the further entries of X-Bond.

I find Jeffery Deaver possibly coming back at some point in the future most interesting as well. That's fantastic news! Hopefully it doesn't occur too far into the future (though it'll probably be at least a five-year break between novels I would assume).

Great tidbits there jwheels. B)

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 08:46 AM

This is big news. Thanks for the info.

Whoa. Yes. This is bigs news. Thanks.

Bond's age keeps creeping up. He was 28 at the last signing. Now he's 29 or 30. Outline keeps growing too. Fun that he's letting us into his thinking.


Seems clearly then - as suspected - to be deliberately trying to place his Bond ast an age at which none of the Fleming adventures had taken place.

Makes him baggage-free.

Could work if done subtly.

B)

Frankly - whisper this softly - my admiration for Mr Deaver is warming in his considering this approach.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:05 AM

He also said that he was hired to only write one book. He said that it was actually one of his conditions, because he has his own series to concentrate on, and he couldn't do 2 series at the same time. He said that he is setting up the atmosphere, the technical points, basically the foundation for this new series, and that sometime in the future, he may return and write another.


This is big news. Thanks for the info.

Whoa. Yes. This is bigs news. Thanks.

Bond's age keeps creeping up. He was 28 at the last signing. Now he's 29 or 30. Outline keeps growing too. Fun that he's letting us into his thinking.


Seems clearly then - as suspected - to be deliberately trying to place his Bond ast an age at which none of the Fleming adventures had taken place.

Makes him baggage-free.

Could work if done subtly.

B)

If it's a reboot, Bond has to be. (Other than of course being an orphan due to his parents' climbing accident.)

Personally, for me, if this is a reboot Bond's childhood should be the same or at least similar to what Fleming described (same goes for the recurring characters, i.e. Bond, M, Moneypenny et al), but his 007 adventures--Casino Royale through The Man With The Golden Gun--(including the unique characters Fleming described in them) have not and will not happen. Those are left for the original timeline. Project X is a new timeline and Bond should have a totally clean slate for his new double-oh career.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:07 AM

This is big news. Thanks for the info.

Whoa. Yes. This is bigs news. Thanks.

Bond's age keeps creeping up. He was 28 at the last signing. Now he's 29 or 30. Outline keeps growing too. Fun that he's letting us into his thinking.


Seems clearly then - as suspected - to be deliberately trying to place his Bond ast an age at which none of the Fleming adventures had taken place.

Makes him baggage-free.

Could work if done subtly.

B)

Frankly - whisper this softly - my admiration for Mr Deaver is warming in his considering this approach.


So is this the reason you would put Project X before Casino Royale on your bookshelf?

I for one don't like Bond's age being pegged at 30.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:08 AM

He also said that he was hired to only write one book. He said that it was actually one of his conditions, because he has his own series to concentrate on, and he couldn't do 2 series at the same time. He said that he is setting up the atmosphere, the technical points, basically the foundation for this new series, and that sometime in the future, he may return and write another.


This is big news. Thanks for the info.



Was to be expected really. Deaver is consistently prolific for years now, but can only ever work so much time a day.

What I find most interesting is that Deaver may come back to Bond some time in the future. If you think about this then it really signifies IFP is planning considerable time into the future with Project X, making it perhaps the most 'professional' effort on the continuation front. It means IFP must already have at least two other writers lined up and a rough schedule for the further entries of X-Bond.

I find Jeffery Deaver possibly coming back at some point in the future most interesting as well. That's fantastic news! Hopefully it doesn't occur too far into the future (though it'll probably be at least a five-year break between novels I would assume).

Great tidbits there jwheels. B)


I still suspect IFP will tread softly with Project X, carefully avoiding any danger of flooding the market. A two-year rythmn perhaps?



This is big news. Thanks for the info.

Whoa. Yes. This is bigs news. Thanks.

Bond's age keeps creeping up. He was 28 at the last signing. Now he's 29 or 30. Outline keeps growing too. Fun that he's letting us into his thinking.


Seems clearly then - as suspected - to be deliberately trying to place his Bond ast an age at which none of the Fleming adventures had taken place.

Makes him baggage-free.

Could work if done subtly.

:tdown:

Frankly - whisper this softly - my admiration for Mr Deaver is warming in his considering this approach.



I'm confident most of our concerns are unnecessary and Bond's age and relative 'freshness' are hinted at in a cautious way. Thank heavens for the loss of the ballast! I'm starting to wonder whose idea it was to 'reboot' and from what point onwards this was really taking off?

Not that we're ever likely to find out about that, mind you...

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:14 AM

If it's a reboot, Bond has to be. (Other than of course being an orphan due to his parents' climbing accident.)

Personally, for me, if this is a reboot Bond's childhood should be the same or at least similar to what Fleming described (same goes for the recurring characters, i.e. Bond, M, Moneypenny et al), but his 007 adventures--Casino Royale through The Man With The Golden Gun--(including the unique characters Fleming described in them) have not and will not happen. Those are left for the original timeline. Project X is a new timeline and Bond should have a totally clean slate for his new double-oh career.


I don't like the idea of totally dropping the Fleming adventures from this Bond's universe. Indeed, why should thye be dropped?

Further, I can't see how you can nibble bits from Fleming to keep - heritage, education, naval background - and bin the rest just because it suits that the earlier stuff might already have happened.

If you want a clean slate change everything. Make him an American. MAke him Jason Bourne, Jack Bower, or any number of others who have BEEN INSPIRED BY IAN FLEMING'S JAMES BOND.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:14 AM

He also said that he was hired to only write one book. He said that it was actually one of his conditions, because he has his own series to concentrate on, and he couldn't do 2 series at the same time. He said that he is setting up the atmosphere, the technical points, basically the foundation for this new series, and that sometime in the future, he may return and write another.


This is big news. Thanks for the info.



Was to be expected really. Deaver is consistently prolific for years now, but can only ever work so much time a day.

What I find most interesting is that Deaver may come back to Bond some time in the future. If you think about this then it really signifies IFP is planning considerable time into the future with Project X, making it perhaps the most 'professional' effort on the continuation front. It means IFP must already have at least two other writers lined up and a rough schedule for the further entries of X-Bond.

I find Jeffery Deaver possibly coming back at some point in the future most interesting as well. That's fantastic news! Hopefully it doesn't occur too far into the future (though it'll probably be at least a five-year break between novels I would assume).

Great tidbits there jwheels. B)


I still suspect IFP will tread softly with Project X, carefully avoiding any danger of flooding the market. A two-year rythmn perhaps?

What do you think of my earlier post when I mentioned that IFP might possibly alternate present day Project X stories with "Project Y" period novels circa post-Devil May Care? Do you think that's possible or does that still "flood the market"?

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:18 AM

So is this the reason you would put Project X before Casino Royale on your bookshelf?

I for one don't like Bond's age being pegged at 30.


Like you, I'd like Bond age to be Fleming's permanent unstated 38 for all the reasons I've stated above. If it was good enough for IF...

But yeah, if Bond's 30 this goes after Charlie and before CR on my shelf. :tdown: B)

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:35 AM

If it's a reboot, Bond has to be. (Other than of course being an orphan due to his parents' climbing accident.)

Personally, for me, if this is a reboot Bond's childhood should be the same or at least similar to what Fleming described (same goes for the recurring characters, i.e. Bond, M, Moneypenny et al), but his 007 adventures--Casino Royale through The Man With The Golden Gun--(including the unique characters Fleming described in them) have not and will not happen. Those are left for the original timeline. Project X is a new timeline and Bond should have a totally clean slate for his new double-oh career.


I don't like the idea of totally dropping the Fleming adventures from this Bond's universe. Indeed, why should thye be dropped?

Further, I can't see how you can nibble bits from Fleming to keep - heritage, education, naval background - and bin the rest just because it suits that the earlier stuff might already have happened.

If you want a clean slate change everything. Make him an American. MAke him Jason Bourne, Jack Bower, or any number of others who have BEEN INSPIRED BY IAN FLEMING'S JAMES BOND.

I guess we're looking at this from two different perspectives. You're seeing Project X as taking place before Casino Royale and the other Fleming stories while also being part of the same timeline which hasn't happened yet.

I'm saying that if it's a reboot set in the present day that Casino Royale can't happen and will never happen because it's a totally different timeline from Fleming, i.e. a different universe so to speak. I think Bond and his recurring cast should be the same characters they were in Fleming's timeline (same traits and opinions, etc.) only that they have been placed in the present day. I don't want them changed at all. At the same time, Bond's childhood and the loss of his parents should remain because they help make Bond who he is. It helps define his character.

If Project X was simply a continuation novel from Raymond Benson's The Man With The Red Tattoo then I would agree with you. That Bond would be the same man who was in License Renewed, Colonel Sun, and Casino Royale as it would have been all the same timeline. (Personally, that would be my preference.) However, that is not the case here, at least as described by Jeffery Deaver and IFP to this point. Project X is, for better or worse, Bond 2.0, and it's with that in mind that I am saying that Bond should have a clean slate without the burden of past missions hovering over him and the reader. We don't need Auric Goldfinger 2.0, Tracy di Vicenzo 2.0, or You Only Live Twice 2.0.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:47 AM

If Project X was simply a continuation novel from Raymond Benson's The Man With The Red Tattoo then I would agree with you. That Bond would be the same man who was in License Renewed, Colonel Sun, and Casino Royale as it would have been all the same timeline. (Personally, that would be my preference.) However, that is not the case here, at least as described by Jeffery Deaver and IFP to this point. Project X is, for better or worse, Bond 2.0, and it's with that in mind that I am saying that Bond should have a clean slate without the burden of past missions hovering over him and the reader. We don't need Auric Goldfinger 2.0, Tracy di Vicenzo 2.0, or You Only Live Twice 2.0.


I don't see how this can be seen as a "burden": these adventures - Goldfinger, Tracy, Japan - in this Bond's time-line sometime in the future, but I don't see how knowing this to be a burden?

Deaver has pretty much made Bond baggage free. And very cleverly, IMO. I don't think it clutters that even in this continuum to know that Bond will ultimately marry Tracy who he will meet as Fleming described and be widowed on his wedding day.

After all, we all know that whatever dangers he will ever face in any adventure he will always survive! (so what's th danger in knowing the Fleming adaventures will happen) B)

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:10 AM

He also said that he was hired to only write one book. He said that it was actually one of his conditions, because he has his own series to concentrate on, and he couldn't do 2 series at the same time. He said that he is setting up the atmosphere, the technical points, basically the foundation for this new series, and that sometime in the future, he may return and write another.


This is big news. Thanks for the info.



Was to be expected really. Deaver is consistently prolific for years now, but can only ever work so much time a day.

What I find most interesting is that Deaver may come back to Bond some time in the future. If you think about this then it really signifies IFP is planning considerable time into the future with Project X, making it perhaps the most 'professional' effort on the continuation front. It means IFP must already have at least two other writers lined up and a rough schedule for the further entries of X-Bond.

I find Jeffery Deaver possibly coming back at some point in the future most interesting as well. That's fantastic news! Hopefully it doesn't occur too far into the future (though it'll probably be at least a five-year break between novels I would assume).

Great tidbits there jwheels. B)


I still suspect IFP will tread softly with Project X, carefully avoiding any danger of flooding the market. A two-year rythmn perhaps?

What do you think of my earlier post when I mentioned that IFP might possibly alternate present day Project X stories with "Project Y" period novels circa post-Devil May Care? Do you think that's possible or does that still "flood the market"?


It's a two-sided matter really. One thing is the demand the market has for lit-Bond. The Gardner/Benson years have shown that one-per-year, Fleming's old schedule, could really be too much. The books were nothing special any more and the writers became frustrated with the lack of interest their work met in general. Which in turn didn't help their efforts.

Then again, many successful (thriller) series (Alex Rider, Reacher and John Rain for example) show that a schedule of (roughly) one-per-year can just be the right balance and continuously sell like hell over long stretches.

The problem with Bond would have been that the continuation authors became tired of their task (even Fleming did) with the years. Now we have an approach that would serve both ends; see to it that the writer-of-the-watch doesn't run the risk of becoming jaded and keep public curiosity up, as the upcoming books are penned by different writers. Here I could actually imagine an annual schedule, although I still think IFP may perhaps keep the the foot a bit more on the brake. It's really a clever tactic that makes the most of IFP's most valuable precious asset, the rights to literary James Bond.

And it's a win-win scenario, as each new name can be sure to sell some of his non-Bond work to us fans. Some we'll already know, or be on our to-read lists. But I'm sure there will also be a few that probably wouldn't occur to us when thinking about Bond.

Now, a second 'Project Y'. I have my doubts somehow. Alternating series could end up working against each other. It would depend upon what exactly Y happens to be about and who is involved. At the moment I should think IFP will want to get X-Bond established. That means the second novel in that series would have to come perhaps a little quicker than two years onwards. IFP would have to have the name who's to take over from Deaver already secured, perhaps even some details of that second entry. Depending on how X-1 turns out, the name would maybe even announced when X-1 hits the shelves, together with a publishing date for X-2.

Amidst all that action related to tying the X package firmly together for the time of 2014 and onwards, I really don't see much room for yet another venture. If Y would turn out to be a second go of Charlie..., well, perhaps then. But otherwise I think X marks the centre for us lit Bond fans for the time being.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:18 AM

If Project X was simply a continuation novel from Raymond Benson's The Man With The Red Tattoo then I would agree with you. That Bond would be the same man who was in License Renewed, Colonel Sun, and Casino Royale as it would have been all the same timeline. (Personally, that would be my preference.) However, that is not the case here, at least as described by Jeffery Deaver and IFP to this point. Project X is, for better or worse, Bond 2.0, and it's with that in mind that I am saying that Bond should have a clean slate without the burden of past missions hovering over him and the reader. We don't need Auric Goldfinger 2.0, Tracy di Vicenzo 2.0, or You Only Live Twice 2.0.


I don't see how this can be seen as a "burden": these adventures - Goldfinger, Tracy, Japan - in this Bond's time-line sometime in the future, but I don't see how knowing this to be a burden?

Deaver has pretty much made Bond baggage free. And very cleverly, IMO. I don't think it clutters that even in this continuum to know that Bond will ultimately marry Tracy who he will meet as Fleming described and be widowed on his wedding day.

After all, we all know that whatever dangers he will ever face in any adventure he will always survive! (so what's th danger in knowing the Fleming adaventures will happen) B)


Oh, but that is really clear enough I should think. If we assume Golfinger, OHMSS and so on all will happen somewhere down the road in X-Bond's timeline, then we really narrow down any potential we may have gained with restarting Bond. It's like a funnel really. Whatever happens to X-Bond would have to lead to him raising from his table at the Casino in Royale-les-Eaux, would have to lead to Bond pondering life and death at the Miami airport, would have to lead to Bond living with an Awabi girl on a remote little island, his memory and personality lost.

If we insist on all this being unavoidably in X-Bond's cards, then why the reboot?

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:42 AM


MINOR SPOILERS: More Project X details emerge as author tours America


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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:44 AM

If Project X was simply a continuation novel from Raymond Benson's The Man With The Red Tattoo then I would agree with you. That Bond would be the same man who was in License Renewed, Colonel Sun, and Casino Royale as it would have been all the same timeline. (Personally, that would be my preference.) However, that is not the case here, at least as described by Jeffery Deaver and IFP to this point. Project X is, for better or worse, Bond 2.0, and it's with that in mind that I am saying that Bond should have a clean slate without the burden of past missions hovering over him and the reader. We don't need Auric Goldfinger 2.0, Tracy di Vicenzo 2.0, or You Only Live Twice 2.0.


I don't see how this can be seen as a "burden": these adventures - Goldfinger, Tracy, Japan - in this Bond's time-line sometime in the future, but I don't see how knowing this to be a burden?

Deaver has pretty much made Bond baggage free. And very cleverly, IMO. I don't think it clutters that even in this continuum to know that Bond will ultimately marry Tracy who he will meet as Fleming described and be widowed on his wedding day.

After all, we all know that whatever dangers he will ever face in any adventure he will always survive! (so what's th danger in knowing the Fleming adaventures will happen) B)


Oh, but that is really clear enough I should think. If we assume Golfinger, OHMSS and so on all will happen somewhere down the road in X-Bond's timeline, then we really narrow down any potential we may have gained with restarting Bond. It's like a funnel really. Whatever happens to X-Bond would have to lead to him raising from his table at the Casino in Royale-les-Eaux, would have to lead to Bond pondering life and death at the Miami airport, would have to lead to Bond living with an Awabi girl on a remote little island, his memory and personality lost.

If we insist on all this being unavoidably in X-Bond's cards, then why the reboot?


So the assumption is that IFP are really going to be able to extend Bond for sufficient time to take him beyond his 38 year old entry in CR or that some other Project X author going to decide "hey, I want to write about a - say - 42 year old Bond BUT I DON'T WANT HIM TO HAVE HAD FLEMING-BOND's ADVENTURES"!? This is just ludicrous.

Make him Jason Bourne or Jack Bower as I suggested above, please.

And anyway, isn't Charlie "funnelling" Bond toward Casino Royale and without any unbreable restriction on what's he's writing already?
PS - I am not a sci-fi or comic nut so I am unfamiliar with the reboot/retcon concept previously. (In fact prior to Craig and CR and hadn't heard the expressions at all!)

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:51 AM

At first I thought Project X was a generic and bland codename for this series, but now I've realised it's actually fitting given the letter X is often used in comic books to indicate an alternate universe or timeline.

While I can see how others would be, I'm not opposed to a reboot or retcon or whatever you want to call this. But it's solely on Deaver's shoulders now to see that the premise can be pulled off. It's not impossible - look at Casino Royale - but it's still no mean feat.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:22 AM

So the assumption is that IFP are really going to be able to extend Bond for sufficient time to take him beyond his 38 year old entry in CR or that some other Project X author going to decide "hey, I want to write about a - say - 42 year old Bond BUT I DON'T WANT HIM TO HAVE HAD FLEMING-BOND's ADVENTURES"!? This is just ludicrous.

Make him Jason Bourne or Jack Bower as I suggested above, please.


Try to look at it this way: imagine Bond born in the 80's with similar influences in his childhood, orphan raised by aunt and sent to public school. Athletic, adventurous, bit of a loner.

Give him the trademark Bond character traits, imagine how a young man today would end up with them in the Royal Navy, come to the attention of the SIS, become an agent, so on. The whole thing is that it would be Bond, born late but turning out in a similar manner to the first timeline. Under which circumstances would you accept that this indeed is Bond? What would he need, what can go, so on. First of all it's a question of definition, an intellectual game. And once you see it can be done the pieces fall into place. It's not as if you need all the things you pondered, as the aim is to tell a story, not to discuss all the background you need for starters.




And anyway, isn't Charlie "funnelling" Bond toward Casino Royale and without any unbreable restriction on what's he's writing already?


Different kettle of fish. Young Bond's whole premise is to show the built-up to a character that will raise himself from his seat in CR. That was exactly the intention of YB (and after BRC a second YB stint would suffer for lacking the purpose, as Charlie indeed did perfectly fine).

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:43 AM

So the assumption is that IFP are really going to be able to extend Bond for sufficient time to take him beyond his 38 year old entry in CR or that some other Project X author going to decide "hey, I want to write about a - say - 42 year old Bond BUT I DON'T WANT HIM TO HAVE HAD FLEMING-BOND's ADVENTURES"!? This is just ludicrous.

Make him Jason Bourne or Jack Bower as I suggested above, please.


Try to look at it this way: imagine Bond born in the 80's with similar influences in his childhood, orphan raised by aunt and sent to public school. Athletic, adventurous, bit of a loner.

Give him the trademark Bond character traits, imagine how a young man today would end up with them in the Royal Navy, come to the attention of the SIS, become an agent, so on. The whole thing is that it would be Bond, born late but turning out in a similar manner to the first timeline. Under which circumstances would you accept that this indeed is Bond? What would he need, what can go, so on. First of all it's a question of definition, an intellectual game. And once you see it can be done the pieces fall into place. It's not as if you need all the things you pondered, as the aim is to tell a story, not to discuss all the background you need for starters.




And anyway, isn't Charlie "funnelling" Bond toward Casino Royale and without any unbreable restriction on what's he's writing already?


Different kettle of fish. Young Bond's whole premise is to show the built-up to a character that will raise himself from his seat in CR. That was exactly the intention of YB (and after BRC a second YB stint would suffer for lacking the purpose, as Charlie indeed did perfectly fine).


I don't accept either theory is mutually exclusive, though.

Whatever traits Deaver gives his youngish Bond can remain vague JUST AS FLEMING. Fleming never really gave his Bond a real backstory; hints and the (odd) name. (Forget Charlies efforts, however he merely have fleshed these hints out). That is, Deaver has no need to really give us bio on Bond's journey to MI6 just as Fleming avoided. Just drop Fleming's Bond - same "backstory" - into his first day at SIS, age 29, in 2011.

Because if Charlie can state his Bond will definately turn out to be the man who turns up at CR JUST BECAUSE his books are set in the 1930s, why can't Deaver's? Is it just because of the timeline? And, as an aside, how many of us when we read Fleming GENUINELY imagine or see them as period pieces....?

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 01:19 PM

So the assumption is that IFP are really going to be able to extend Bond for sufficient time to take him beyond his 38 year old entry in CR or that some other Project X author going to decide "hey, I want to write about a - say - 42 year old Bond BUT I DON'T WANT HIM TO HAVE HAD FLEMING-BOND's ADVENTURES"!? This is just ludicrous.

Make him Jason Bourne or Jack Bower as I suggested above, please.


Try to look at it this way: imagine Bond born in the 80's with similar influences in his childhood, orphan raised by aunt and sent to public school. Athletic, adventurous, bit of a loner.

Give him the trademark Bond character traits, imagine how a young man today would end up with them in the Royal Navy, come to the attention of the SIS, become an agent, so on. The whole thing is that it would be Bond, born late but turning out in a similar manner to the first timeline. Under which circumstances would you accept that this indeed is Bond? What would he need, what can go, so on. First of all it's a question of definition, an intellectual game. And once you see it can be done the pieces fall into place. It's not as if you need all the things you pondered, as the aim is to tell a story, not to discuss all the background you need for starters.




And anyway, isn't Charlie "funnelling" Bond toward Casino Royale and without any unbreable restriction on what's he's writing already?


Different kettle of fish. Young Bond's whole premise is to show the built-up to a character that will raise himself from his seat in CR. That was exactly the intention of YB (and after BRC a second YB stint would suffer for lacking the purpose, as Charlie indeed did perfectly fine).


I don't accept either theory is mutually exclusive, though.

Whatever traits Deaver gives his youngish Bond can remain vague JUST AS FLEMING. Fleming never really gave his Bond a real backstory; hints and the (odd) name. (Forget Charlies efforts, however he merely have fleshed these hints out). That is, Deaver has no need to really give us bio on Bond's journey to MI6 just as Fleming avoided. Just drop Fleming's Bond - same "backstory" - into his first day at SIS, age 29, in 2011.


Oh, it absolutely doesn't need to be precisely stated as such. Of course, Deaver and whoever comes after X-1 can stay relatively vague with X-Bond's background. It's just ever so much easier if you think of certain basics in the beginning. Also X-Bond needs a 'translation' of what constitutes the 'core' of Fleming's Bond and adapt these traits to the present day. Not all of this must be mentioned en detail in X-1 or later entries. But if the questions raise from certain situations it's so much easier to have a few answers handy for the occasion.




Because if Charlie can state his Bond will definately turn out to be the man who turns up at CR JUST BECAUSE his books are set in the 1930s, why can't Deaver's? Is it just because of the timeline? And, as an aside, how many of us when we read Fleming GENUINELY imagine or see them as period pieces....?


No, for me it's not about the timeline at all (although for example LALD is not very well imagined as a modern-day adventure; the setting is just there and can't really be ignored). What makes me refuse a 'history repeating' is the reboot itself. As a concept it only makes sense if it frees the X-writers. It tries to emulate a certain base for Bond and should evolve mostly unfettered from that point onwards. Forcing the Fleming-originals into the picture on top of that would IMO lead to direct failure.

I think as a concept the X-Bond reboot opens more doors than it perhaps closes for some of us fans. If we assume (assume for now, as the proof is in the cake, obviously) that it's basically possible to imagine a set of circumstances that allows for a James Bond born in 198? to work as an agent for the SIS, to have familiar traits, preferences and dislikes, then I think it will turn out just fine and most of us won't have much of a problem with the X-series.

Only if one absolutely denies the basic possibility of re-imagining Bond for the present day (strange, as the character itself has already been extended well over the natural boundaries of his existence), will the X-Bond concept become an obstacle to enjoying the ride.