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#631 Loomis

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 12:36 PM

Maybe it was the shock of 9/11 that caused Mater and Pater Bond to fall off a Swiss mountain?


"I'd never have sold weapons to the Afghanistanians if I'd known things would turn out this way!" Andrew Bond shouted. "But, you see, at the time they were trying to kick the Russians out!"

James Bond smiled sympathetically at his father. Talk of the Russians in Afghanistan made him remember a childhood memory of watching Rambo III, starring his boyhood hero Sylvester Stallone.

Now, though, his blood was running cold. It seemed that these former freedom fighters now hated freedom, and also hated the free world. Why, at this very moment, there might be men in caves in rogue states like Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, ready to unleash nuclear weapons and even weapons of mass destruction on America and her allies. As well as freedom-loving and friendly countries like Saudi Arabia, America's allies included England.

Bond's cold blue eyes became colder. Suddenly, he knew what he had to do.

"I say, Pater," he remarked, "I've decided not to take that gap year teaching English in Japan. Neither do I have any interest in being a merchant banker any more."

"Judging by the sounds that were emanating from your bedroom last night, you could have fooled me!" his childhood friend Pritpal Nandra interjected drily. "It strikes me that you're still very keen on, shall we say, keeping your hand in when it comes to merchant banking!"

Bond ignored Pritpal. Pritpal was using England's famous Cockney Rhyming Slang to call him a wanker, or someone who masturbated. He was used to his teasing and didn't mind it - in fact, he quite enjoyed it. He knew that Pritpal was a good egg, which is a term of affection used among English people. Pritpal would soon succeed his father as King of India, but he had promised to introduce democracy. Bond loved democracy. He also loved freedom and thought that freedom and democracy were the foundations of all the great nations he admired, such as the United States, Germany and China.

"You're not.... You're not planning to get involved in one of those 'dot com start-up' things?" Andrew Bond asked his son.

"Have no fear, Pater," came the reply. "What I have in mind involves saving the planet."

"You're becoming an 'environmentalist'? What, like that fellow from that band you like, Coldplay? When I was your age, music was all about anarchy - you know, The Sex Pistols and so on. 'Get pissed! Destroy!' Ha ha! So, you're going to work for an NGO? It's all the rage, isn't it? I dare say that the government will one day have a 'climate change minister', what? I'll be long gone by then, thank God. Well, I suppose you could do worse. People at the top of those organisations can make a couple of hundred thou a year, I'm told."

"No," James Bond responded. "I don't plan on saving the world in that sense. I have decided to join---- well, actually, I can't tell you. I can't tell anyone, in fact - it's one of the rules. When one applies to this organisation, one is not allowed even to mention to one's family or friends that one is applying."

"Ha!" Andrew Bond ejaculated. "You almost make it sound as though you're considering MI6!"

They all laughed at the absurdity of this idea, and then James Bond and Pritpal made their excuses and walked off down the mountain path. They were going to check their Hotmail accounts and perhaps listen to some music. At the time, James Bond's favourite band was Bush - they were wildly popular in England, and indeed second only to Garth Brooks in terms of being universally loved all over England from Cardiff to Penzance and from London to Glasgow. And then suddenly there came a scream - two screams, in fact. His parents had fallen off the mountain!

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 12:44 PM

Bond's cold blue eyes became colder. Suddenly, he knew what he had to do.


Get down the gym. Get the Stallone muscles. Become the agent we would come know and love/not remotely recognise at all.*

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 02:00 PM

I'm enjoying this thread.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 02:28 PM

So James Bond is now a kid - literally. And of the 80s. Suppose it'll help when EON cast Cavill next time round.

He has, then, in his system all the 80s/90s/00s iconography as his ONLY background.

Why do I think this is a mistake of potentially monumental proportions? It should be left unstated. Like Fleming's Bond he should be a fixed age, but should know all that has gone on while he has not aged. Tellingly, NOT ONCE did Fleming state when Bond was born....

I suspect Deaver isn't going to put too fine a point on Bond's exact age or motivations or life experience up to this point. I think he is going to be a man somewhere in his 30s who is sent out on a job. He will keep him a man in silhouette. Maybe just a few peeks behind the curtain. It's going to be a Bond book. The villains plot, the danger at hand, a sexy woman, and Bond's cool handling of it all is what the book will be about. That's it. I see no need to panic.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 02:35 PM

So James Bond is now a kid - literally. And of the 80s. Suppose it'll help when EON cast Cavill next time round.

He has, then, in his system all the 80s/90s/00s iconography as his ONLY background.

Why do I think this is a mistake of potentially monumental proportions? It should be left unstated. Like Fleming's Bond he should be a fixed age, but should know all that has gone on while he has not aged. Tellingly, NOT ONCE did Fleming state when Bond was born....

I suspect Deaver isn't going to put too fine a point on Bond's exact age or motivations or life experience up to this point. I think he is going to be a man somewhere in his 30s who is sent out on a job. He will keep him a man in silhouette. Maybe just a few peeks behind the curtain. It's going to be a Bond book. The villains plot, the danger at hand, a sexy woman, and Bond's cool handling of it all is what the book will be about. That's it. I see no need to panic.



Well said.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 03:31 PM

I think we can also just trust in Deaver. The man is a skilled writer and he is clearly taking this very seriously. Even though he's a great and celebrated writer, I was actually spooked very early by Faulks because of how he talked about Bond. The whole, "I ate scrambled eggs and wrote it in 3 weeks" thing. (Ironically, I now I'm the only one who liked the book.)

Deaver is not talking like that. He is not embarrassed by Bond. He is much more like Charlie Higson-like. He loves and understands Bond and has already spent 7 months just on an outline. I think he knows what he's doing. For us to make snap judgements based on the slightest of information is unfair, and really demonstrates the worst of fandom. Young Bond did not turn out to be James Bond Jr., despite many many posts predicting it would. Project X will not turn out to be Junior James just because Bond was born in the 80s.

Just do what I do and remember, everyone involved in this is smarter than you. B)

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 03:32 PM

So James Bond is now a kid - literally. And of the 80s. Suppose it'll help when EON cast Cavill next time round.

He has, then, in his system all the 80s/90s/00s iconography as his ONLY background.

Why do I think this is a mistake of potentially monumental proportions? It should be left unstated. Like Fleming's Bond he should be a fixed age, but should know all that has gone on while he has not aged. Tellingly, NOT ONCE did Fleming state when Bond was born....

I suspect Deaver isn't going to put too fine a point on Bond's exact age or motivations or life experience up to this point. I think he is going to be a man somewhere in his 30s who is sent out on a job. He will keep him a man in silhouette. Maybe just a few peeks behind the curtain. It's going to be a Bond book. The villains plot, the danger at hand, a sexy woman, and Bond's cool handling of it all is what the book will be about. That's it. I see no need to panic.



Well said.


Oh, I hope that's the case too, chaps. Because it's a bloody obvious thing to do. (The juvenile Goodnight, well.....)

But IF that was/is his intention why did he very EXPLICITLY say to Dr Shatterhand his Bond was born in the aerly 80s??? This is beyond being VERRRY clumsy if he didn't mean it; does he think we're not able to calculated when Bond MIGHT have been born??? As I said earlier, with Fleming, he left it up to the readers.

I assume Jeff has actually read Fleming, NOT just said he has - viz Mr Faulks.

Claiming your a HUGE Bond fan doesn't mean you actually are. But I suspect the claim is an essential part of the gig once the ink on the well-paid contact is dry.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 03:37 PM

What I said above.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 03:44 PM

But IF that was/is his intention why did he very EXPLICITLY say to Dr Shatterhand his Bond was born in the aerly 80s??? This is beyond being VERRRY clumsy if he didn't mean it; does he think we're not able to calculated when Bond MIGHT have been born??? As I said earlier, with Fleming, he left it up to the readers.

Ah, cut him some slack. Some fan shoves a camera in his face at a signing where god knows how many distractions he's juggling and he says his Bond will be in his 30s (like Fleming's Bond) and then does a quick calculation and, yes, that would mean he was born in the early 80s. I think I'm just shocked that people born in the 80s are now in their 30s. That's a pretty terrifying revelation.

Again, he's smarter than you. B)

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 03:47 PM

I'm really concerned about having a Pakistani or Indian "maidservent" it just screams racism! I have female Asian friends who will be appalled and outraged by this. I'm hoping this will be reconsidered before it goes to print.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 03:54 PM

I beginning to understand why IFP and EON try and cloak their projects in silence and secrecy. The guy lets us into the process and gives us some nuggets and he's slammed.

But we made it 20 pages before the knives came out. That's an accomplishment.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 04:04 PM

I'm really concerned about having a Pakistani or Indian "maidservent" it just screams racism! I have female Asian friends who will be appalled and outraged by this. I'm hoping this will be reconsidered before it goes to print.


It doesn't scream anything, your being a drama queen, the books not even written yet.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 04:10 PM

Also, Peaceful, you should know books are edited. He'll probably be edited by IFP, by Hodder, and by Simon & Schuster. I expect he will also have his wife and maybe a few friends read it over. I think he's smart enough and worldly enough to know what he's doing. But should he makes some culturally insensitive mistake (or even a technical mistake), it will almost certainly be caught by one of these parties and a change suggested. An author does not write a book and drop it off at the printer (although I'm sure they wish they could).

BTW, DO NOT let your friends read ANY Fleming. B)

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 04:12 PM

I beginning to understand why IFP and EON try and cloak their projects in silence and secrecy. The guy lets us into the process and gives us some nuggets and he's slammed.

But we made it 20 pages before the knives came out. That's an accomplishment.


Reading Garden of Beasts, it's apparent that Deaver knows his craft. There's no cheesy dialogue, and there's good rhythm to the prose. I'm confident Deaver will produce something worthwhile with Project X. He spends most of his time on outlining, then rewrites it over 20 times before the publisher sees it. So at least it will not be a hastily put together affair as Faulks' seems to have been.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 04:15 PM

Also, Peaceful, you should know books are edited. He'll probably be edited by IFP, by Hodder, and by Simon & Schuster. I expect he will also have his wife and maybe a few friends read it over. I think he's smart enough and worldly enough to know what he's doing. But should he makes some culturally insensitive mistake (or even a technical mistake), it will almost certainly be caught by one of these parties and a change suggested. An author does not write a book and drop it off at the printer (although I'm sure they wish they could).

BTW, DO NOT let your friends read ANY Fleming. B)



Quite true Zencat, although Fleming was of a different generation. If you brought Fleming into the 00s he would be considered a racist, but back in his day that was the normal attitude.

It's a lot of excitement and jumping to conclusions from a very short video clip.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 04:18 PM

It's a lot of excitement and jumping to conclusions from a very short video clip.

Think JD is getting a taste of what it's like to be a Bond author. And maybe his first lesson.

Welcome to the rest of your life, Mr. Deaver. B)

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 05:03 PM

But IF that was/is his intention why did he very EXPLICITLY say to Dr Shatterhand his Bond was born in the aerly 80s??? This is beyond being VERRRY clumsy if he didn't mean it; does he think we're not able to calculated when Bond MIGHT have been born??? As I said earlier, with Fleming, he left it up to the readers.

Ah, cut him some slack. Some fan shoves a camera in his face at a signing where god knows how many distractions he's juggling and he says his Bond will be in his 30s (like Fleming's Bond) and then does a quick calculation and, yes, that would mean he was born in the early 80s. I think I'm just shocked that people born in the 80s are now in their 30s. That's a pretty terrifying revelation.

Again, he's smarter than you. :tdown:



It's a lot of excitement and jumping to conclusions from a very short video clip.

Think JD is getting a taste of what it's like to be a Bond author. And maybe his first lesson.

Welcome to the rest of your life, Mr. Deaver. B)


Looks like you'll have your work cut out for the next year, too, Zen, at this rate.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 05:08 PM

Yes, I'm about to launch "The Youngish Bond Dossier." B)

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 05:18 PM

Yes, I'm about to launch "The Youngish Bond Dossier." B)


As an alternative and because, Zen, your boundless enthusiam is addictive, I wonder if this is Deaver's real plan:

What if Deaver is reallyaiming his early 30s Bond - an age
Fleming's Bond never was, remember - as having adventures which happened BEFORE Casino Royale.

Sure, after Higson (which helps not contradict YBII) but before Fleming. So no Fleming "Bond's already experienced this, that and the other," no baggage, but a fresh, pre-CR Bond. Out of time, maybe, but between YBII and CR....

Possible?

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 05:18 PM

The video doesn't buffer properly for me. Could someone give me a bullet list of things which he said? I'd be most grateful.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 05:33 PM

Yes, I'm about to launch "The Youngish Bond Dossier." B)


As an alternative and because, Zen, your boundless enthusiam is addictive, I wonder if this is Deaver's real plan:

What if Deaver is reallyaiming his early 30s Bond - an age
Fleming's Bond never was, remember - as having adventures which happened BEFORE Casino Royale.

Sure, after Higson (which helps not contradict YBII) but before Fleming. So no Fleming "Bond's already experienced this, that and the other," no baggage, but a fresh, pre-CR Bond. Out of time, maybe, but between YBII and CR....

Possible?

Yes, very possible. But it's clear he's not following any 20th century continuity. This book IS set in modern day. But you're just suggesting a kind of mental continuity, correct? Yes, I think you're right. I think this is a post 00 but pre-CR James Bond. All the elements in place, but the "Fleming" adventures are to come. Just like the film reboot in this regard.

Wait, I got it. James Bond is just a codename!!!

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 05:40 PM

The video doesn't buffer properly for me. Could someone give me a bullet list of things which he said? I'd be most grateful.



  • Present day
  • Bond no longer smokes
  • He will be born in the early 80s
  • Moneypenny will be in mid-thirties
  • M will return to being a man
  • May, Bond's Scottish housekeeper will be replaced by an as-yet unnamed Indian or Pakistani maidservant
  • Project X is a series of 007 novels by various authors
  • 21 year old Mary Goodnight is Bond's secretary
  • 00 section is a 'shadowy' assassin portion of MI-6. Agents would be disavowed if they became compromised
  • The re-boot will have Bond fighting post-9/11 terrorism
  • Has thousands of pages of research completed
  • Outline is complete


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Posted 06 June 2010 - 05:41 PM

Yes, I'm about to launch "The Youngish Bond Dossier." B)


As an alternative and because, Zen, your boundless enthusiam is addictive, I wonder if this is Deaver's real plan:

What if Deaver is reallyaiming his early 30s Bond - an age
Fleming's Bond never was, remember - as having adventures which happened BEFORE Casino Royale.

Sure, after Higson (which helps not contradict YBII) but before Fleming. So no Fleming "Bond's already experienced this, that and the other," no baggage, but a fresh, pre-CR Bond. Out of time, maybe, but between YBII and CR....

Possible?

Yes, very possible. But it's clear he's not following any 20th century continuity. This book IS set in 2011. But you're just suggesting a kind of mental continuity, correct? Yes, I think you're right. I think this is a post 00 but pre-CR James Bond. All the elements in place, but the proper adventures are to come. Just like the film reboot in this regard.


Yeah, just for us continuity fruitcakes.

No Fleming refs - we KNOW CR will happen, Goldfinger, Tracy and the rest - so giving Deaver clear water in which to write. Mental continuity it is.

Just an idea if Deaver's categoric statement Bond must be 30 wasn't a mistake when he really meant Bond was "somewhere in his mid-30s" (IF). :tdown:

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 05:54 PM

I really think the age might be nebulous, which, I agree with you, it should be. But even if they want to peg him at 30 (and start off a proper series timeline continuity that puts them well before "Fleming"), so be it. It really doesn't matter as long as you don't think about it too much (advice I give to anyone re James Bond). Remember, George Lazenby's Bond is technically 29. That man did not serve in WWII. Heck, he was a '50s teenage greaser in 1953, what does he know of life? Doesn't matter. When that man walks into a casino he is BOND. Go with it. There's other criteria to judge.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 06:06 PM

Now that I think about it, I wonder if Project X was originally conceived as a set of novels that would fit into the Fleming 20th century timeline? These are the adventures of James Bond age 30 to whatever he is in CR (33 if we accept YBs continuity). Post War, pre Fleming. Then they decided to just move it to present day but hold that mental continuity. It's possible. It's pretty sophisticated to do it this way, even though I have a feeling we're going to have to explain it to some people over and over, just as we had to during the run-up to CR. "There is no Dr. No yet!!!"

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 06:09 PM

Now that I think about it, I wonder if Project X was originally conceived as a set of novels that would fit into the Fleming 20th century timeline? These are the adventures of James Bond age 30 to whatever he is in CR (33?). Post War, pre Fleming. Then they decided to just move it to present day but hold that mental continuity. It's possible. It's pretty sophisticated to do it this way, even though I have a feeling we're going to have to explain it to people over and over.


Well, as suggested in my above posts, it would satisfy me.

And I'm VERRRRY hard to please when it comes to Bond.. :tdown: B)

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 06:10 PM

Really? I never noticed.



B)

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 06:13 PM

Really? I never noticed.



B)


Really?

Honestly, it's only 'cos I'm genuinely a simple soul and need to know where to put each new book on my shelves.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 06:13 PM

Now that I think about it, I wonder if Project X was originally conceived as a set of novels that would fit into the Fleming 20th century timeline? These are the adventures of James Bond age 30 to whatever he is in CR (33?). Post War, pre Fleming. Then they decided to just move it to present day but hold that mental continuity. It's possible. It's pretty sophisticated to do it this way, even though I have a feeling we're going to have to explain it to people over and over.


Well, as suggested in my above posts, it would satisfy me.

And I'm VERRRRY hard to please when it comes to Bond.. :tdown: B)


I dare say you could pick fault with Ian Fleming himself David :tdown:

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 06:16 PM

Now that I think about it, I wonder if Project X was originally conceived as a set of novels that would fit into the Fleming 20th century timeline? These are the adventures of James Bond age 30 to whatever he is in CR (33?). Post War, pre Fleming. Then they decided to just move it to present day but hold that mental continuity. It's possible. It's pretty sophisticated to do it this way, even though I have a feeling we're going to have to explain it to people over and over.


Well, as suggested in my above posts, it would satisfy me.

And I'm VERRRRY hard to please when it comes to Bond.. :) :tdown:


I dare say you could pick fault with Ian Fleming himself David :)


Never!

Even though he contradcited his own contunity loads of times and made some fundamental mistakes.

IF = God.

B) :tdown: