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'Another Way To Die' or 'No Good About Goodbye'?


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Poll: Which one do you choose: 'Another Way To Die' or 'No Good About Goodbye'?

Which one do you choose: 'Another Way To Die' or 'No Good About Goodbye'?

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#91 Gustav Graves

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 06:09 AM

How can anyone out vote anyone? The way the poll system is set up each member is allowed only one vote.


Yes, but some people were saying I did create this poll solely on my own thoughts that 'NGAG' would win this with a mile. It's just...not nice...and wrong of others to say that. I just like fierce discussions. That's all.

And how can you actually force opinions on others, while we all know damn well how to come up for ourselves....? I just don't get it. I'm just making my case here.

But perhaps, people get frustrated by me...that I keep reacting and that I don't know...where to stop. I know, that I should tone down a bit. Sorry guys.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 07:07 AM

38 years old--AWTD.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 01:02 AM

If you guys are interested to see how it goes with the title sequence...



B)



Great, thanks for that. The song actually fits in quite well with the sequence. I like it.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 01:25 AM

I suppose I'm missing something but, uh, the Bassey song it not very good... at all.

I guess i am too. I want to like it so I can be considered cool with bond fans. but it's bland and cliched.


The arrangement is lifeless and Bassey clearly is not having an A day. The song is just remarkably bad. AWTD is a bit too hip hop for my taste, but all in all it is a much better song. In fact, some of the arrangement is brilliant.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 01:39 AM

I suppose I'm missing something but, uh, the Bassey song it not very good... at all.

I guess i am too. I want to like it so I can be considered cool with bond fans. but it's bland and cliched.


The arrangement is lifeless and Bassey clearly is not having an A day. The song is just remarkably bad. AWTD is a bit too hip hop for my taste, but all in all it is a much better song. In fact, some of the arrangement is brilliant.


Completely agreed with this assessment of the two songs.

#96 Gustav Graves

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 02:46 AM

I suppose I'm missing something but, uh, the Bassey song it not very good... at all.

I guess i am too. I want to like it so I can be considered cool with bond fans. but it's bland and cliched.


The arrangement is lifeless and Bassey clearly is not having an A day. The song is just remarkably bad. AWTD is a bit too hip hop for my taste, but all in all it is a much better song. In fact, some of the arrangement is brilliant.


Lifeless? Ever heard of the term slow-tempo? At least this song has got loads of strings, cello's and big trumpets. Ever heard about the term 'orchestra' as well? And what about a melody? Have you actuallly looked at the sheet music of both songs?

Anyway, it's all a matter of opinion and taste I think. But if you only sayd the song is 'bad', then I dare you to come up with better arguments.

By the way, I'm curious how you would vote in the Bond Song Contest then B).

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 03:17 AM

Lifeless? Ever heard of the term slow-tempo? At least this song has got loads of strings, cello's and big trumpets. Ever heard about the term 'orchestra' as well? And what about a melody? Have you actuallly looked at the sheet music of both songs?


Not every Bond song needs to have a full orchestra to sound good. Live and Let Die sounds just fine and it doesnt have a huge orchestra either.

Anyway, it's all a matter of opinion and taste I think. But if you only sayd the song is 'bad', then I dare you to come up with better arguments.


Boo! Come on, at least be a little original B) The whole "If you don't like it than do better" argument is as old as the internet itself. And it has no merit, just because he doesnt like it doesnt mean he has to come up with something better.

#98 tdalton

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 04:24 AM

Lifeless? Ever heard of the term slow-tempo? At least this song has got loads of strings, cello's and big trumpets. Ever heard about the term 'orchestra' as well? And what about a melody? Have you actuallly looked at the sheet music of both songs?


Not every Bond song needs to have a full orchestra to sound good. Live and Let Die sounds just fine and it doesnt have a huge orchestra either.

Anyway, it's all a matter of opinion and taste I think. But if you only sayd the song is 'bad', then I dare you to come up with better arguments.


Boo! Come on, at least be a little original B) The whole "If you don't like it than do better" argument is as old as the internet itself. And it has no merit, just because he doesnt like it doesnt mean he has to come up with something better.


Excellent post JimmyBond. Those were exactly my thoughts.

You're 110% right when you say that a Bond song doesn't need to have an orchestra or strings or whatever else to sound good. The song just has to sound good, regardless of instruments used. There's no law out there saying that a Bond song must have an orchestra. The inclusion of an orchestra does not make the rejected song a better song than AWTD.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:30 AM

Lifeless? Ever heard of the term slow-tempo? At least this song has got loads of strings, cello's and big trumpets. Ever heard about the term 'orchestra' as well? And what about a melody? Have you actuallly looked at the sheet music of both songs?


Not every Bond song needs to have a full orchestra to sound good. Live and Let Die sounds just fine and it doesnt have a huge orchestra either.

Anyway, it's all a matter of opinion and taste I think. But if you only sayd the song is 'bad', then I dare you to come up with better arguments.


Boo! Come on, at least be a little original B) The whole "If you don't like it than do better" argument is as old as the internet itself. And it has no merit, just because he doesnt like it doesnt mean he has to come up with something better.



Except Live and Let Die has a rather large orchestra playing on it!!
And there is no good or bad really,its just whether you like it or not.I like some songs, I dont like others.For every song I dislike, you could find another person who likes it.Where is the good or bad in that ?
I like both songs and am aware of the fact that NGAG wasnt a Bond song, it just sounds like one.But I could name a dozen songs that 'sound' like they could be Bond songs,its pointless arguing their merit as an actual Bond song as they werent written for the film,therefore its all entirely speculative and shouldnt have any critical basis in fact.And thats factoring in Arnold/Bassey/Black as components.
Dont forget there is an Arnold/Bassey/McAlmont song on her new record and no one is arguing the merits of that as a bond song.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 04:09 PM

Lifeless? Ever heard of the term slow-tempo? At least this song has got loads of strings, cello's and big trumpets. Ever heard about the term 'orchestra' as well? And what about a melody? Have you actuallly looked at the sheet music of both songs?


Not every Bond song needs to have a full orchestra to sound good. Live and Let Die sounds just fine and it doesnt have a huge orchestra either.

Anyway, it's all a matter of opinion and taste I think. But if you only sayd the song is 'bad', then I dare you to come up with better arguments.


Boo! Come on, at least be a little original B) The whole "If you don't like it than do better" argument is as old as the internet itself. And it has no merit, just because he doesnt like it doesnt mean he has to come up with something better.


People tend to forget that I really like 'You Know My Name'. At least that song gives me back some of the vibe that 'Live And Let Die' had. Maybe the vibe of that song is therefore not that original, but the melody surely IS. Therefore it's a great entry, together with other original Arnold compositions like 'Surrender', 'Only Myself To Blame', 'The World Is Not Enough', 'No Good About Goodbye' and 'Crawl, End Crawl'.

I don't consider 'Another Way To Die' very original though. Maybe the feel of that song is rough-edged, hip-hop-like, but in general so many other songs on MTV are like that. No, when it comes to originality, 'Another Way To Die' fails. It actually incorporates riffs and accords from 'You Know My Name'!

Also, the originality of a song is a matter that you can differ on. The melody of 'NGAG' is in fact truly original. It isn't a copy from another song. You refer originality to the vibe/feel of a song.

Having said that, I think it was the problem of the entire film. 'Quantum Of Solace' for me seemed like a film that was completely ashamed of its predecessors, 'Casino Royale' included. And therefore 'QOS' mixed the Bond elements and the Bond vibe in such a....weird way that for me 'QOS' was an OK-action drama, but failed miserably as a Bond film. The song 'Another Way To Die' has a similar problem :tdown:.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 04:33 PM

Having said that, I think it was the problem of the entire film. 'Quantum Of Solace' for me seemed like a film that was completely ashamed of its predecessors, 'Casino Royale' included. And therefore 'QOS' mixed the Bond elements and the Bond vibe in such a....weird way that for me 'QOS' was an OK-action drama, but failed miserably as a Bond film. The song 'Another Way To Die' has a similar problem B).
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I really love QOS but all my friends say exactly what you said about QOS. BIZZARE.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:08 PM

I don't consider 'Another Way To Die' very original though. Maybe the feel of that song is rough-edged, hip-hop-like, but in general so many other songs on MTV are like that. No, when it comes to originality, 'Another Way To Die' fails. It actually incorporates riffs and accords from 'You Know My Name'!


That I can actually agree with...sort of. AWTD is similar in a few chord progressions to YKMN.

Also, the originality of a song is a matter that you can differ on. The melody of 'NGAG' is in fact truly original. It isn't a copy from another song. You refer originality to the vibe/feel of a song.


I don't know about that. It sounds awfully familiar to Arnold's Surrender. Another song I'm not too keen on.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:25 PM

Having said that, I think it was the problem of the entire film. 'Quantum Of Solace' for me seemed like a film that was completely ashamed of its predecessors, 'Casino Royale' included. And therefore 'QOS' mixed the Bond elements and the Bond vibe in such a....weird way that for me 'QOS' was an OK-action drama, but failed miserably as a Bond film. The song 'Another Way To Die' has a similar problem B).

I really love QOS but all my friends say exactly what you said about QOS. BIZZARE.


Yes, and many people didn't like that...I think...

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:26 PM

Having said that, I think it was the problem of the entire film. 'Quantum Of Solace' for me seemed like a film that was completely ashamed of its predecessors, 'Casino Royale' included. And therefore 'QOS' mixed the Bond elements and the Bond vibe in such a....weird way that for me 'QOS' was an OK-action drama, but failed miserably as a Bond film. The song 'Another Way To Die' has a similar problem B).

I really love QOS but all my friends say exactly what you said about QOS. BIZZARE.


Yes, and many people didn't like that...I think...

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:48 PM

Yeah but, no offence: YKMN is sort of a 50 year old's idea of a rock song. AWTD is a rock song.


Really? Then what about the synth beat, Memphis horns and rap-like vocals?


Not sure what your point is there...? Are there suddenly rules to how a genre works? A synth beat, Memphis horns and rap-like vocals make it sound even better than just a rock song, frankly.

Don't get me wrong: AWTD isn't a strong song, it's far from White's best, but it does at least have an edge to it, a proper feel of rockiness (and yes, with Jack White that means a multitude of influences) that the rock lite YKMN was missing. All this 'it makes my ears bleed' hyperbole is way over the top.

#106 Gustav Graves

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:56 PM

But.....does rock belong to Bond? Does a rough-edged, hip-hop-like song, that wins huge support among the MTV generation, suit a suave, elegant, Britsh spy named agent 007? Should we replace Bond's expensive taste for slimfit Brioni and Tom Ford suits with worn-out Levi's and long hair?

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 11:33 PM

But.....does rock belong to Bond? Does a rough-edged, hip-hop-like song, that wins huge support among the MTV generation, suit a suave, elegant, Britsh spy named agent 007? Should we replace Bond's expensive taste for slimfit Brioni and Tom Ford suits with worn-out Levi's and long hair?


Well, ask You Know My Name. Was that trying to be a rock song? Did you like it? Why shouldn't a Bond song be a rock song? Can it not be a new romantic synth track? A dewey-eyed ballad? Where are the rules on what it can and can't be?

Incidentally, AWTD ain't a hip hop track. You may need to get a bit more acquainted with musical styles, there.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 11:51 PM

But.....does rock belong to Bond?


Rock belongs to nobody. It's a lifestyle, not a thing. As is all music. Now if you mean "Does rock belong in Bond?", I have only four words for you: Hell the B) yes. Done right, we get a song like YKMN, which, I think, is the best of the themes as a standalone song and my second favorite theme to a Bond film to date. And frankly, I don't think AWTD was done wrong, either. Different sounds doesn't mean one's worse than the other. I can like the Beatles just as much as I can like Zeppelin.

Incidentally, AWTD ain't a hip hop track. You may need to get a bit more acquainted with musical styles, there.


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Posted 02 December 2009 - 02:56 PM

Hello !

I think that Another Way To Die maybe feels a little displaced -- regarding the rest of the movie -- because its main melody is not incorporated enough (I dare say not at all) in the rest of the soundtrack. Had the producers given more time to David Arnold (whom I think is the best 007 composer since Barry), the score would have been centered around Another Way To Die and thus have felt more natural.

That's why, to my mind, No Good About Goodbye flows much better. However, I did vote for Another Way To Die because I think it suits a more modern Bond.

Long live Daniel Craig, James Bond and CBN !!!

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 03:05 PM

Incidentally, AWTD ain't a hip hop track. You may need to get a bit more acquainted with musical styles, there.


No, AWTD is a sleazy retro throwback to 70s funk rock and southern blues, combined with a modern MTV RnB style. However there is a hip hop beat that starts around the second verse which might cause one to thinks it's that.

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 12:40 AM

I came in here fully expecting to vote for NGAG.

After listening to it, I quite like it as a bond theme - Bassey + Arnold's influence on it help.

However, for this era of bond, I prefer AWTD, even though I hate the song itself. It fits the new feel of bond better, whereas NGAG just brings up images of an old people's home for some reason (and i'm not ageist, and certainly do not dislike 'old' spy music - I often listen to connery bond soundtracks and stuff from thecrimelounge etc), but it just doesn't fit modern bond.

But that's fine - AWTD can be for the movie, NGAG can be as a special extra bond theme to listen to outside the movies.

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 02:14 AM

Lifeless? Ever heard of the term slow-tempo? At least this song has got loads of strings, cello's and big trumpets. Ever heard about the term 'orchestra' as well? And what about a melody? Have you actuallly looked at the sheet music of both songs?


Not every Bond song needs to have a full orchestra to sound good. Live and Let Die sounds just fine and it doesnt have a huge orchestra either.

Anyway, it's all a matter of opinion and taste I think. But if you only sayd the song is 'bad', then I dare you to come up with better arguments.


Boo! Come on, at least be a little original B) The whole "If you don't like it than do better" argument is as old as the internet itself. And it has no merit, just because he doesnt like it doesnt mean he has to come up with something better.


Excellent post JimmyBond. Those were exactly my thoughts.

You're 110% right when you say that a Bond song doesn't need to have an orchestra or strings or whatever else to sound good. The song just has to sound good, regardless of instruments used. There's no law out there saying that a Bond song must have an orchestra. The inclusion of an orchestra does not make the rejected song a better song than AWTD.


I think I've said in another thread that returning to the slow-tempo style would be especially cool for a Craig film. Something like FYEO would really work, in my judgement. I simply think that this slow-tempo song was lifeless. It was not the tempo that made it lifeless, it was it's lack of...how shall I say...heart (compare this one to DAF, that's the difference). Those who are really into music I think know what I'm talking about. The song as a whole just sounded bad. I voted for AWTD.

Edited by __7, 03 December 2009 - 02:15 AM.


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Posted 03 December 2009 - 02:21 AM

Something like FYEO would really work, in my judgement.


I disagree, considering FYEO's one of my least favourite songs in the series. That type of very sensitive, loving, tender song doesn't work with bond in my opinion, no matter which actor is playing him, it didn't work with Moore's harder edged performance and FYEO and wouldn't work with Craig.

There needs to be dynamism, no matter how slow the tempo, and preferably not a dirge. Something like DAF could work.

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 02:33 AM

Something like FYEO would really work, in my judgement.


I disagree, considering FYEO's one of my least favourite songs in the series. That type of very sensitive, loving, tender song doesn't work with bond in my opinion, no matter which actor is playing him, it didn't work with Moore's harder edged performance and FYEO and wouldn't work with Craig.

There needs to be dynamism, no matter how slow the tempo, and preferably not a dirge. Something like DAF could work.


I suppose it depends on how it is done. The examples I have used are Fiona Apple's "The Child Is Gone" or "The First Taste". Both slow-tempo and Craig-like, in my opinion.

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 03:41 AM

Lifeless? Ever heard of the term slow-tempo? At least this song has got loads of strings, cello's and big trumpets. Ever heard about the term 'orchestra' as well? And what about a melody? Have you actuallly looked at the sheet music of both songs?


Not every Bond song needs to have a full orchestra to sound good. Live and Let Die sounds just fine and it doesnt have a huge orchestra either.

Anyway, it's all a matter of opinion and taste I think. But if you only sayd the song is 'bad', then I dare you to come up with better arguments.


Boo! Come on, at least be a little original B) The whole "If you don't like it than do better" argument is as old as the internet itself. And it has no merit, just because he doesnt like it doesnt mean he has to come up with something better.


Excellent post JimmyBond. Those were exactly my thoughts.

You're 110% right when you say that a Bond song doesn't need to have an orchestra or strings or whatever else to sound good. The song just has to sound good, regardless of instruments used. There's no law out there saying that a Bond song must have an orchestra. The inclusion of an orchestra does not make the rejected song a better song than AWTD.


I think I've said in another thread that returning to the slow-tempo style would be especially cool for a Craig film. Something like FYEO would really work, in my judgement. I simply think that this slow-tempo song was lifeless. It was not the tempo that made it lifeless, it was it's lack of...how shall I say...heart (compare this one to DAF, that's the difference). Those who are really into music I think know what I'm talking about. The song as a whole just sounded bad. I voted for AWTD.


I agree about FYEO. A song done in that style would work very well for a future Bond film, especially now that we've had two rock songs in a row. FYEO is one of my favorite Bond title songs, so another song just like that would be fine with me.

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 03:50 AM

But.....does rock belong to Bond? Does a rough-edged, hip-hop-like song, that wins huge support among the MTV generation, suit a suave, elegant, Britsh spy named agent 007? Should we replace Bond's expensive taste for slimfit Brioni and Tom Ford suits with worn-out Levi's and long hair?



I think, yes, rock can belong to Bond. It did with LALD, AVTAK, CR and QOS, and as this survey shows people actually prefer Another Way to Die compared to the return of Shirley Bassey. No mean feat! Not only that, it was chosen to be the Bond theme for the movie, and it always will be the theme for that movie.

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 03:36 PM

It depends. I don't think Bond fans are similar to Alicia Keys/Jack White fans. The same goes for Bond fans on one hand and rock fans on the other hand.

It's also a fact that besides some rock songs, like LALD, AVTAK, TLD, YKMN and AWTD, also a lot of romantic and jazzy songs were official Bond songs, like YOLT, WHATTITW, NDIB, FYEO, NSNA and ATH.

Bond songs are much more diverse. It's not that the rock scene is owning Bond songs. Bond songs should not always fulfill the needs and wants of macho's B). Please take that in mind.

And because it hasn't been done for several years now, I wouldn't mind to see a more jazzy, romantic approach for Bond 23 :tdown:. Not to mention a bit more focus on the female audience....

Edited by Gustav Graves, 03 December 2009 - 04:21 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2009 - 06:51 PM

A big problem here isn't there is no really solid definition of "rock", and neither is it, as a genre, totally isolated from outside influence. LALD, AVTAK, TLD, YKMN and AWTD have all just been cited as rock songs, but none of those songs have much or anything in common. Personally, I wouldn't really describe AVTAK or TLD as rock, but others would I guess. Thus I think a question like "does rock belong in Bond" is pretty much impossible to answer.

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 07:28 PM

NGAG just doesn't fit. It's too "epic" and not "dirty" enough for the kind of movie QoS is.

AWtD could have definitely been a lot better, but its problems weren't the style or the artists, just what sounded like a lack of heart and interest in execution.

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 11:34 PM

While this topic wasn't started just to find out which song is more fitting to the film, I'm still curious what Bond films actually first NGAG then B)?