Commander
Posted 25 March 2016 - 04:45 PM
He looks like a Russian doorman.
The only Russian doorman I am aware of is the one at the Embassy from whom I obtain... certain other things. He's very good looking.
I'm assuming this is what was meant, and the observation was not one riddled with turgid, racist misery, but intended in loving, kindly spirit.
What's racist about saying he looks Russian? He does look Russian. And it's not even a different race.
Why does he look Russian? How does a Russian look like?
Midshipman
Posted 25 March 2016 - 05:34 PM
Hiddleston... Cavill... etc... etc... Let's face it, nobody really knows who will be in Bond 25 until we hear from Craig himself. Mendes was tackled about all the speculation at the Jameson Empire awards. There's a news report with Mendes's response at the JBIFC site: www.007info
Commander
Posted 25 March 2016 - 05:52 PM
True, nobody knows, but it is possible to narrow things down to a list of actors who have a reasonable, or better, shot at the role should Craig not return. We know that Cavill and Friend made it deep into the casting process for Casino Royale, so given EON's track record of revisiting those who had been previously considered (granted, we don't know if Barbara Broccoli will follow that pattern) it's reasonable to conclude that their names will at least be on the shortlist.
That said, Cavill's name could probably be crossed off, whether Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is a flop or not at the box office. If it's a success, then he's clearly off the table, as he's got Justice League and more Man of Steel films to come. If it flops, and forces WB to reconsider their future plans, then he has that hanging over his head, which might give MGM/EON and whoever their new distributor is a reason to balk at him playing Bond, since he couldn't deliver a hit while playing another iconic character.
You can also look at other actors who fit into the age bracket that EON will be looking at and conclude who are the more likely candidates. From what little I've seen of The Night Manager, it looks like the kind of vehicle for Hiddleston as Layer Cake was for Craig in the early-2000s, as it gives him a role in which he has a chance to show off the necessary traits a Bond actor should have without necessarily having to dive into some of the cliches and stereotypes.
The one thing that I think we can be pretty sure of, the media darlings, the ones that are so often pushed by the tabloid "journalists", aren't going to get the gig. That takes Idris Elba, Damien Lewis, and all of the others that we have seen plastered on the tabloid pages since Craig took the part out of the running. Turner could end up in a similar boat if his name continue to dominate the headlines over the next few weeks, as the media seems to have turned the page on Elba in favor of him.
Lieutenant
Posted 25 March 2016 - 08:36 PM
Hey guys here's a thought! What about this guy?!
Sub-Lieutenant
Posted 25 March 2016 - 08:47 PM
He looks like a Russian doorman.
The only Russian doorman I am aware of is the one at the Embassy from whom I obtain... certain other things. He's very good looking.
I'm assuming this is what was meant, and the observation was not one riddled with turgid, racist misery, but intended in loving, kindly spirit.
What's racist about saying he looks Russian? He does look Russian. And it's not even a different race.
Why does he look Russian? How does a Russian look like?
The typical Slavic appearance is a kind of yellow-tinged skin.
Like this:
https://www.google.c...JbRNJMELNk6e1M:
https://www.google.c...N8pLHsevcNbKrM:
Germans have it too. Like this Nazi from Indiana Jones:
https://www.google.c...3i9kEMHhtT7P4M:
I'm not saying that the Slavic look is ugly or anything. mind. Just distinctive.
Edited by DavidJones, 25 March 2016 - 08:49 PM.
Commander
Posted 25 March 2016 - 08:59 PM
Hey guys here's a thought! What about this guy?!
Why not? It could be his big comeback in the business. 
Although it might be a bit awkward to go back to that well again since they just got done borrowing the subplot from Austin Powers in Goldmember for Spectre.
Lieutenant
Posted 25 March 2016 - 09:20 PM
Hey guys here's a thought! What about this guy?!
Why not? It could be his big comeback in the business.
Although it might be a bit awkward to go back to that well again since they just got done borrowing the subplot from Austin Powers in Goldmember for Spectre.
That's true. Maybe Bond was under deep, deep cover during IMOM, SWSM and GM...??
Commander
Posted 26 March 2016 - 01:57 AM
Hey guys here's a thought! What about this guy?!
Why not? It could be his big comeback in the business.
Although it might be a bit awkward to go back to that well again since they just got done borrowing the subplot from Austin Powers in Goldmember for Spectre.
That's true. Maybe Bond was under deep, deep cover during IMOM, SWSM and GM...??
Austin Powers 4 will reveal that not only was Bond in all four of the films, he was in fact Dr. Evil (which is revealed to be an alias of Dr. Bloferhauser) the entire time.
In all seriousness, I'm still holding out hope for Rupert Friend. I'm glad that he's not getting any mentions for the role, as that's always the kiss of death for someone's chances, at least this early in the process. Looks pretty good in the classic Bond pose as well:
Commander
Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:30 AM
He looks like a Russian doorman.
The only Russian doorman I am aware of is the one at the Embassy from whom I obtain... certain other things. He's very good looking.
I'm assuming this is what was meant, and the observation was not one riddled with turgid, racist misery, but intended in loving, kindly spirit.
What's racist about saying he looks Russian? He does look Russian. And it's not even a different race.
Why does he look Russian? How does a Russian look like?
The typical Slavic appearance is a kind of yellow-tinged skin.
Like this:
https://www.google.c...JbRNJMELNk6e1M:
https://www.google.c...N8pLHsevcNbKrM:
Germans have it too. Like this Nazi from Indiana Jones:
https://www.google.c...3i9kEMHhtT7P4M:
I'm not saying that the Slavic look is ugly or anything. mind. Just distinctive.
You are aware that this is the definition of racist thinking, I hope.
Sub-Lieutenant
Posted 26 March 2016 - 10:43 AM
The typical Slavic appearance is a kind of yellow-tinged skin.
Sub-Lieutenant
Posted 26 March 2016 - 11:16 AM
He looks like a Russian doorman.
The only Russian doorman I am aware of is the one at the Embassy from whom I obtain... certain other things. He's very good looking.
I'm assuming this is what was meant, and the observation was not one riddled with turgid, racist misery, but intended in loving, kindly spirit.
What's racist about saying he looks Russian? He does look Russian. And it's not even a different race.
Why does he look Russian? How does a Russian look like?
The typical Slavic appearance is a kind of yellow-tinged skin.
Like this:
https://www.google.c...JbRNJMELNk6e1M:
https://www.google.c...N8pLHsevcNbKrM:
Germans have it too. Like this Nazi from Indiana Jones:
https://www.google.c...3i9kEMHhtT7P4M:
I'm not saying that the Slavic look is ugly or anything. mind. Just distinctive.
You are aware that this is the definition of racist thinking, I hope.
Actually, it isn't. Racism is, as Webster dictionary defines it, "The belief that some races of people are better than others." I'm merely acknowledging the differences in physical appearance inherent in people of nationalities. At no point did I say that being not-white makes them in some way inferior. On the contrary, I believe that such differences is one of the best things about the world and that diversity should be celebrated. If I was mistaken in attributing a description of a slavic person which was not accurate than I apologize, but suggesting I am pro-white, and therefore racist, is just as inaccurate.
Lieutenant
Posted 26 March 2016 - 11:27 AM
Hey guys here's a thought! What about this guy?!
Why not? It could be his big comeback in the business.
Although it might be a bit awkward to go back to that well again since they just got done borrowing the subplot from Austin Powers in Goldmember for Spectre.
That's true. Maybe Bond was under deep, deep cover during IMOM, SWSM and GM...??
Austin Powers 4 will reveal that not only was Bond in all four of the films, he was in fact Dr. Evil (which is revealed to be an alias of Dr. Bloferhauser) the entire time.
In all seriousness, I'm still holding out hope for Rupert Friend. I'm glad that he's not getting any mentions for the role, as that's always the kiss of death for someone's chances, at least this early in the process. Looks pretty good in the classic Bond pose as well:
I could live with Rupert being offered the part.
Commander
Posted 28 March 2016 - 10:54 PM
"I see. So how often have you been injured in your job the last few years (without proper time to heal because the work had to be finished on time) and never had the balls to curse about it?"
A couple of times, actually.
and you never said something about it like Craig said in that interview, and remember he was laughing as he said it? You must be a true saint then....
I imagine him to be like Frank Grimes from the Simpsons.
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Great to see tdalton has a fine sense of humour and has changed his profile pic accordingly. Bravo!
Sub-Lieutenant
Posted 31 March 2016 - 05:36 PM
He looks like a Russian doorman.
The only Russian doorman I am aware of is the one at the Embassy from whom I obtain... certain other things. He's very good looking.
I'm assuming this is what was meant, and the observation was not one riddled with turgid, racist misery, but intended in loving, kindly spirit.
What's racist about saying he looks Russian? He does look Russian. And it's not even a different race.
Why does he look Russian? How does a Russian look like?
The typical Slavic appearance is a kind of yellow-tinged skin.
Like this:
https://www.google.c...JbRNJMELNk6e1M:
https://www.google.c...N8pLHsevcNbKrM:
Germans have it too. Like this Nazi from Indiana Jones:
https://www.google.c...3i9kEMHhtT7P4M:
I'm not saying that the Slavic look is ugly or anything. mind. Just distinctive.
You are aware that this is the definition of racist thinking, I hope.
Errr, no it's not. Different geographical regions have evolved certain physical characteristics over time - res ipsa loquitor, so to speak (that's my O level Latin, that is). It is, of course, a tendency rather than definitive law - but it's also genetics. It's how that stuff works. That's why Asians look Asian and Slavs look Slavic. My wife is Russian and she looks Russian. The beautiful elegant stylish type, of course, not the toothless hunch-backed village peasant type. That'll be my mother-in-law. And I tell you what, I'm English but live in the US and I can almost always spot another Brit simply by their physical characteristics. I kind of agree with the description of Craig in Spectre although I thought he looked more like a night club bouncer from Birmingham's city centre. I think it was the tightness of those suits...
Commander
Posted 31 March 2016 - 10:02 PM
I think we'd better stick to the topic, lads.
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Sub-Lieutenant
Posted 31 March 2016 - 10:17 PM
Yeah, I s'pose.
Still say Fassbender - the best Bond that never was or will be.
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Commander
Posted 03 April 2016 - 07:55 AM
At this point I'm starting to think Craig's time is over, and they're going to recast.
That's the most wise direction forward, I think.
If Daniel Craig comes back then we should get the novel You Only Live Twice--Garden Of Death interpretation with a showdown with Ernst Stavro Blofeld and Irma Bunt after she has broken him out of prison.
If Craig doesn't return then I fear the You Only Live Twice/Garden Of Death storyline will be abandoned yet again. Although that would free up Bond #7 for many mission possibilities.
As for my Bond #7 preference, there isn't anyone who has a legitimate shot who really stands out to me. I think Tom Hiddleston could work but he's got to get a little bigger. I haven't seen enough of Aidan Turner except from The Hobbit and in that he doesn't seem very Bond-like. Michael Fassbender could be okay but he might be too big a name/pricey and too old should Craig do 1 more film. Same with Benedict Cumberbatch. My top choice might be Henry Cavill but he's too tied into Superman. Odds are, Bond #7 is still someone we haven't accounted for.
Commander
Posted 03 April 2016 - 08:24 AM
Although the Mirror is not reliable, I do believe that Hiddleston is on EON´s radar - and the great thing about him is: he´s a fantastic, versatile actor... who actually would LOVE to be Bond. How´s that for a change?
As for the "he´s got to get a little bigger"-aspect: he is taller than Craig, and Craig actually was very slim before he decided to bulk up. Hiddleston will definitely undergo training for Bond should he be chosen.
Again, these are all rumours. But Hiddleston does seem like the most sensible choice right now. An accomplished actor, a star but not too big a star yet, British AND willing to do it.
Commander
Posted 03 April 2016 - 09:17 AM
Lt. Commander
Posted 03 April 2016 - 12:01 PM
Tom's work in The Night Manager has made me even more appreciative of Craigs work in the Bond movies. It often left me thinking how much better Night Manager might've been had Craig been in the role. Hiddleston's first priority is to convince us he's capable of doing the thing's he's doing - even moreso because the plot involves him convincing Laurie of the same.
I think he utterly failed in this regard. It seemed blatantly obvious in Hiddledstone's single-gear performance that he wasn't comfortable with anything the arms dealer said or did, which made Laurie's character appear an idiot for not seeing this too. That left the show's villain pretty toothless.
Craig's performances reveal a caged rabid enjoyment in his profession; his morals are in order, but there's a visceral thrill and pride in his profession. Same should be said for Hiddlestone's undercover agent - perhaps more so as he's on a revenge trail.
But, alas where Hiddlestones morally superior angst worked in the set-up and certain introspective moments, it was unfortunately still turned up to 11 in his dealings with Laurie et al. This left Hollander the shows only character appearing to have any intelligence by naming Hiddlestone's foppish unconvincing undercover performance.
And i promise i'm not getting Hiddlestone's performance confused with his character's undercover performance. It was simply no where near nuanced enough - never really switching between the real character's angst and his undercover alter ego act, apart from the odd, joker-ish panto grin to convince the audience that his character was indeed trying to convince Laurie...Dear oh dear.
Blame is partly on the director as the buck stops there. Spotting this problem, the director should've had a new scene written between Hiddlestone and Laurie that fleshes out the character's disdain for arms dealing (since that's how Hiddlestone came across 99% of the time and if he can't act otherwise then you're forced to write that into the character's undercover story). Instead, the few nods we got to his military eperience and an initial petulant resistance to Laurie's demands didn't suffice to provide adequate motivation for Hiddlestone's undercover alter ego's non-committed reluctance to deal arms; and no one noticing this except Hollander's henchman character!
But it's really down to Hiddlestone to do the acting. The script gave him ample chances to show some relish in order to convince Laurie; the only time that really happened was the hill top presentation of the carnage to the buyers, but by then Laurie had already given him the keys to the kingdom and was now cemented as an incredibly naive and gullible highly successful megalomaniacal evil arms dealer!
I think Hiddlestone is great as Loki and i look forward to seeing him in High Rise. He's a good actor in a role that requires more vulnerability than machismo - as someone you can relate to and fear for. And to be honest that's where the big acting plaudits are. But as Bond... no, he's not the right man.
Turner had far less opportunity to show the necessary nuance and machismo in the the recent BBC Agatha Christie mini series at Christmas, but for me did a far better job of showing he has the chops for Bond. My top choices are Hardy and Fassbender, but i doubt they'd do it and if Craig does another (which i hope and think he will), they'd be too old. All the current gossip reminds me of that around Octopussy and AVTAK, which went as far as hiring Brolin for the former, but really all turned out to be haggling with Moore over his fee.
Night Manager was written and directed in broad strokes and Hiddlestone was equally without nuance. For me this showed why he should not be Bond and why Craig is so bloody good in the role.
Btw, Cavill was on a chat show this weekend saying that he still wants Bond, as well as being Superman...
Commander
Posted 03 April 2016 - 01:10 PM
Fair enough - although Hiddleston´s performance in THE NIGHT MANAGER was praised a lot (haven´t seen it myself yet) by critics and within the industry.
It all comes down, of course, to personal preferences again.
I consider Tom Hardy totally wrong for Bond since I find him utterly charmless, with a voice that irritates me. Also, he comes across as taking himself so seriously that Bond would maybe be a challenge but nothing he would love to return to again and again.
In contrast, Fassbender, a fantastic actor, has that easy going charme, a sly humour that would translate very well as Bond (and since he´s eager for franchise roles, see X-Men, he would jump at the chance, I presume). But he might be too old already, so that works against him.
Cavill still is an interesting proposition for me. I like him a lot as Superman - but I wonder whether he would step down (or be allowed to) in order to become Bond. I also wonder, looking at BVS´ second weekend, whether WB will proceed with JUSTICE LEAGUE as planned. Zack Snyder stepping down after the disappointing reception of the film and its very dark concept seems to become more likely - and that would naturally impact not only on his involvement in JUSTICE LEAGUE but the script as well, causing a delay and maybe even recasting. Especially since the focus now seems to be on Batman anyway, Cavill could be freed of Superman and become available again. Question is whether he might be considered damaged goods (unfair, absolutely, but that´s how the industry works).
Commander
Posted 03 April 2016 - 09:26 PM
Lt. Commander
Posted 04 April 2016 - 03:07 AM
Commander
Posted 04 April 2016 - 07:20 AM
Catching up on 'The Night Manager', I'd be happy for Tom Hiddleston to take over as 007. He's got the look and British-ness about him, and it seemed like a modern-day re-make of 'Licence To Kill' and I thought he could be a perfect Dalton/Connery mash-up for the next Bond.
Humour and emotion, sophistication and brutality. The perfect combo.
Lieutenant
Posted 04 April 2016 - 07:52 AM
I'm halfway through THE NIGHT MANAGER and I have to admit - less than enthralled. The plot and characters have real potential, but I'm not believing it, and that's down to Hiddleston. At present, if he were to get Bond I wouldn't be pleased. This isn't to say that I wouldn't warm to him overtime, but I think he's still got a long way to go yet.
Sub-Lieutenant
Posted 04 April 2016 - 12:02 PM
Zack Snyder stepping down after the disappointing reception of the film and its very dark concept seems to become more likely - and that would naturally impact not only on his involvement in JUSTICE LEAGUE but the script as well, causing a delay and maybe even recasting. Especially since the focus now seems to be on Batman anyway, Cavill could be freed of Superman and become available again. Question is whether he might be considered damaged goods (unfair, absolutely, but that´s how the industry works).
Pretty sure that whole Zach Snyder stepping down was an April Fools joke, some versions complete with saying George Miller was stepping in to take over the reins. I've seen it debunked on several sites.
Edited by Yellow Pinky, 04 April 2016 - 06:47 PM.
Commander
Posted 04 April 2016 - 02:24 PM
The news that he actually stepped down was a joke, yes.
But within WB executives are not at all happy how this major launch of "their" universe failed to get the traction they need. They see that the demand for Batman AND Superman is there - hence the opening weekend. But the truly bad second weekend proves that audiences just do not like the way Snyder has told the story. And the abysmal reviews will also have an effect. This is not Michael Bay doing THE TRANSFORMERS, this is the DC universe which depends on fanboys loving it as least as much as they embrace the Marvel universe (which mostly gets celebrated by audiences and critics).
I don´t think WB will proceed as if all of this did not happen.
Midshipman
Posted 04 April 2016 - 02:52 PM
I think Aidan Turner would be a good choice. I photoshopped this to make him look more Bondian:
Commander
Posted 04 April 2016 - 04:50 PM
Rupert Friend remains my favourite, but I've been pleasantly surprised by Tom Hiddleston in THE NIGHT MANAGER.