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[TCK]

James Bond has "a cruel looking mouth". Even Daniel Craig, who doesn't respect the traditional codes of James Bond's look, has a cruel mouth.

Jonathan Rhys Meyers or Tom Hardy can't be James Bond because they have wrong mouths.

[The Shark]

Yeah, and Daniel Craig has the wrong hair. So what?

This is casting an actor to play Bond, not male modelling.

[TCK]

It is not male modelling, it's esthetics ! You can be attractive while being fair-haired, but a mouth as Hardy and Rhys Meyers have is a hindrance. I don't want James Bond to be played by an effeminate actor, sorry.

[Trevelyan 006]

Just Bring Dalton Back.

Edited by Trevelyan 006, 28 December 2011 - 08:51 PM.

[Odd Jobbies]

James Bond has "a cruel looking mouth". Even Daniel Craig, who doesn't respect the traditional codes of James Bond's look, has a cruel mouth.

Jonathan Rhys Meyers or Tom Hardy can't be James Bond because they have wrong mouths.

LOL... love it! I applaud you're attention to detail

But seriously, if Fleming's rather vague descriptions were followed to the T, we certainly wouldn't have had blond-Bond Craig and IMO that would've been a real shame. Despite not conforming precisely to Fleming's description Craig is by far the closest in spirit we've had to Fleming's Bond.

I suggested Craig for the part in a few Bond forums way back in the early naughties, when Brosnan was still doing fine in the part. I saw him in Love Is The Devil and there was the perfect mixture of sex, violence and swagger to him. I certainly didn't stop to analyse the minutiae and i'm sure Barbara didn't each time she begged Craig to take the part.

Equally i doubt the minutiae will be of much consequence when she picks her 7th 007. It's more about whether or not we believe this man is James - swagger, fornicate, kill, martini - Bond... The shape of his mouth doesn't really enter the equation in terms of casting for what is virtually a contemporary shakespearian character. It's about how the actor handles Bond's dilemma: a 'good guy' who kills in cold blood. Great Bond actors (both of them) walk this razor's edge with their acting talents, not their cruel, thin lips...

We don't want a lookalike as much as a reincarnation.... different face, same balls! In lieu of an actual reincarnation, lets concentrate on acting ability (so long as they're looks aren't too far off the mark )

Edited by Odd Jobbies, 28 December 2011 - 09:12 PM.

[Captain Tightpants]

Jonathan Rhys Meyers or Tom Hardy can't be James Bond because they have wrong mouths.

*facepalm*

I'd rather have an actor who can act like Bond, but does not look like Bond instead of an actor who looks like Bond but cannot act like Bond. Therefore, disqualifying people based on their physical appearances is ridiculous.

[Pussfeller]

Odd Jobbies and Tightpants have it exactly right. Physiognomy doesn't matter all that much to the current producers. That's why it'll be so difficult for us to predict who the next Bond will be. We don't have all that much to go on except for the very superficialities that the producers have shown a willingness to overlook. Lacking access to screen tests and other more intimate methods of assessing an actor's suitability, we always fall back on superficial resemblance to our image of Bond. As a result, we wind up debating the relative merits of Goran Visnjic and Rufus Sewell.

[TCK]

Jonathan Rhys Meyers or Tom Hardy can't be James Bond because they have wrong mouths.

*facepalm*

I'd rather have an actor who can act like Bond, but does not look like Bond instead of an actor who looks like Bond but cannot act like Bond. Therefore, disqualifying people based on their physical appearances is ridiculous.

And I'd rather have an actor who can act like Bond and who looks like him. Each time the production changed its actor, better choices were possible, except in 1986. That would be the case for Bond7 too for sure.

[Captain Tightpants]

And I'd rather have an actor who can act like Bond and who looks like him. Each time the production changed its actor, better choices were possible, except in 1986. That would be the case for Bond7 too for sure.

But if that's not possible, the someone who can act like Bond is better than someone who just looks like him.

People set far too much in store by the physical description of Bond. We saw it with the reactions to Daniel Craig, with the infamous craignotbond campaign - and almost all of the doubters were silenced about five minutes into CASINO ROYALE.

[TCK]

And I'd rather have an actor who can act like Bond and who looks like him. Each time the production changed its actor, better choices were possible, except in 1986. That would be the case for Bond7 too for sure.

But if that's not possible, the someone who can act like Bond is better than someone who just looks like him.

Of course, but that's always possible. Just look to the past.

[The Shark]

It is not male modelling, it's esthetics ! You can be attractive while being fair-haired, but a mouth as Hardy and Rhys Meyers have is a hindrance. I don't want James Bond to be played by an effeminate actor, sorry.

There's nothing effeminate about Tom Hardy.

[TCK]

It is not male modelling, it's esthetics ! You can be attractive while being fair-haired, but a mouth as Hardy and Rhys Meyers have is a hindrance. I don't want James Bond to be played by an effeminate actor, sorry.

There's nothing effeminate about Tom Hardy.

There is. His mouth.

[Pussfeller]

His lips don't bother me. He's more babyfaced than effeminate. I'm more put off by his abundant tattoos and excessive bodybuilding. It's as if he's desperately striving to give the impression of being awash in dangerous testosterone.

[jaguar007]

James Bond has "a cruel looking mouth". Even Daniel Craig, who doesn't respect the traditional codes of James Bond's look, has a cruel mouth.

Jonathan Rhys Meyers or Tom Hardy can't be James Bond because they have wrong mouths.

Well I would not say that Roger Moore or Pierce Brosnan have particuraly cruel looking mouths.

[Pussfeller]

I know that Bond was supposed to have thin lips, but when Fleming wrote of Bond's cruel mouth, I just read it as a rhetorical way of denoting a habitual facial expression, rather as if one were to speak of "angry eyes" or "restless hands". I imagined that Bond tended to go around with a bit of a snarl, not that some physical property of his lips suggested cruelty.

[double o ego]

You know, I'd like to offer my opinion on a potential actor who's name I personally havn't seen thrown around much but I think Dominic Cooper could be an interesting choice.

[Pussfeller]

An interesting choice for what? Nick-Nack Jr?

[double o ego]

No, fool.



Dont care if he's not a popular choice but he's a good actor and Craig's casting changed the rules of the game so...

[Jim]

Good choice, if made.

[DamnCoffee]

An interesting choice for what? Nick-Nack Jr?

Funny you should mention that!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1311076/

[univex]

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Tom Hardy ? Wrong mouth, sorry.

Well thats odd
Could you elaborate for my entertainment please?

TCK probably meant he doesn´t have the ruthless mouth Fleming described. I happen to agree with him, but I only noticed it once he mentioned it.

[Captain Tightpants]

Tom Hardy is the man who, with a single photograph, restored credibility Bane after Joel Schumacher utterly defaced the character. So if he has a girly mouth, I'm sure that's not really a problem. Especially considering that his scenes in the snowbound dream level of INCEPTION were more Bondian than half the Bond films.

[univex]

Tom Hardy is the man who, with a single photograph, restored credibility Bane after Joel Schumacher utterly defaced the character. So if he has a girly mouth, I'm sure that's not really a problem. Especially considering that his scenes in the snowbound dream level of INCEPTION were more Bondian than half the Bond films.

Restoring credibility after Schumacher is easy. Anything is better than his crap. I do know what you mean. And Hardy is very versatile. But I wouldn´t want him nowhere near Bond. On a side note, Layer Cake produced big stars eh?

Edited by univex, 31 December 2011 - 04:11 AM.

[lechero]

For those who claim Rhys-Meyers to be looking effeminate (I sort of agree, he doesn't have the right look for Bond, but maybe a 006 type-villain down the road?), how about another Tudors alumni?



Max Brown

[Melack]

Michael Fassbender. By far. Hell I didn't even like X-Men: First Class but Fassbender was brilliant in it. And the bar scene in Basterds, he is just perfect there. And very Bond-like.

[Captain Tightpants]

If Craig signs up for five more films, Michael Fassbender would probably be too old by the time the seventh James Bond is cast.

[LoveVolpe]

For the Fassbender proponents, I recommend seeing HAYWIRE starring Gina Carano. Fassbender plays an MI-6 agent who wears a suit to a fancy party ... and he seriously exudes BOND with every breath and facial expression. It's pretty awesome.

[univex]

For the Fassbender proponents, I recommend seeing HAYWIRE starring Gina Carano. Fassbender plays an MI-6 agent who wears a suit to a fancy party ... and he seriously exudes BOND with every breath and facial expression. It's pretty awesome.

I´m a fan of the idea of Fassbender as Bond, although I find Craig´s voice and accent far more suitable. The thing is, Things are, fortunately, going very well with Craig as Bond, and as the Captain said, if he stays more than a couple of years, say, for five films, he will definitely be too old for it. He´s the current Clive Owen the way I see it. Some actors could have played Bond but didn´t. It´s the way the world turns I guess.

[lechero]

I'm all for Fassbender playing Bond (he's something of an obvious choice), but even Cavill is more likely to get the gig some time down the road.
I see Craig as the perfect choice for this rebooted version of Bond and would like him to continue as long as possible. By this time Fassbender would probably be too old and let's not forget way too famous. Even at this point, he's far too well known, You might say that Roger and Pierce were well known stars before their Bond tenure, but they were television stars. Fassbender is in EVERY upcoming movie for the next couple of years, which is not helpful when you apply for the role of James Bond.
No complaints from me though, as I probably rank Craig as #2 after Connery.

[univex]

Yeah, besides, more 3 or 4 films from Craig makes it enough time for someone billiant and new to come out of, say, the Old Vic or other acting school.

PS: And after a decade of Cbn, 1000 posts. I guess I can now reclame my seniority as a veteran right? Afterall, I value the decade far more than the number of posts. Cheers.