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[DamnCoffee]

I'd certainly like a more laidback, fun Caribbean flavoured outing for Bond 23. Time will tell. If you take everything with a grain of salt, you'll die of thirst.

LOL, I agree.

It would be very nice to see Bond in jamaica again, even though I was hoping for a colder location.

[Safari Suit]

I could have seen Bond 22 turning out to be LALD, but going down that route now would be the worst kind of fanboy-baiting back-peddling imaginable.

[DominicGreene]

I can see elements of LALD turning up in BOND 23 (notably the maiming of Leiter, albeit that it was already done in LICENCE TO KILL), but I can't think why Eon would do an official remake. It would just invite comparisons with the Moore film.

Assuming all of this is actually true, Eon would have to be pursuing a re-adaptation of Live and Let Die, rather than a remake of Roger Moore's debut film. Or simply using (elements of) the story as a basis for a larger plot à la Casino Royale or The Living Daylights. There can't be any doubt about that, surely. Again, assuming this is all fact.

Unless we want to start speculating on who could play a 21st century Sheriff J.W. Pepper?

Kevin James or James Belushi as Sheriff J.W. Pepper?

Edited by DominicGreene, 19 July 2009 - 12:58 PM.

[00Twelve]

I can see them turning Mr. Big into a representative of Quantum, as well as the long, action-filled sequence involving Bond's vengeance on the Robber for throwing Felix Leiter to the sharks; it'd be a hell of a sight better than what we got in Licence to Kill with Killifer. I can picture Daniel Craig dodging from fish tank to fish tank as he avoids rapid fire from the Robber...

So...you advocate maiming Jeffrey Wright after only two films?

I hope they never decide to maim Leiter again. I know it's part of the Bond mythology but it's already been done. Plus, the maiming of Leiter prevented the character from being used again until the series was rebooted in 2006. I love Leiter too much to see him disappear again.

It didn't prevent the character from being used again. They just lacked the cahones to bring in crippled Felix.

Apologies, compadre, but I'm in agreement with Tybre here. And I'd be delighted to see Felix get the far more suspenseful treatment of a shark maiming that he got in the book (really, it was all an assumed flashback in Bond's mind, but was still more effective than LTK), and yes-- this soon. Happened in the very second Bond book, so there.

Anyway, I'm not putting any stock in the rumor, but I'd love to be pleasantly proven wrong. To answer the question of what would make the book worthy of a readaptation (here we go!), it's firstly a whole different story from the movie. Like, barely any resemblance whatsoever. The novel's plot fits as well as any I could imagine conceived for a Quantum story-- harvesting buried treasure off the coast of Jamaica and laundering it in the States. That main plot idea is really all that is worth telling, although the way the story plays out is far, far more engaging than any of the films that have used its material.

I wouldn't mind seeing the night swim sequence either, which was certainly atmospheric enough to warrant a movie scene (minus the little tussle with the octopus).

Oh, and the bad guy gets ripped apart and eaten by a shark. How that kind of death for a main villain hasn't happened yet is beyond me.

If the producers wanted to go a little more fantastical while keeping the general tense tone of the Craig dynasty, they could do far worse than to use the as-yet-not-adapted bulk of this story.

<climbs down off gigantic soapbox>

Ahem. Anyway, it's probably crap anyway. I'd like it not to be, but there'd be no point in hoping against hope that this one holds any water.

[Professor Dent]

This was an interesting rumor that was too good not to share - especially when you hear it while you are in Jamaica. As Major Tallon points out, it could he total hogwash. All of us on the cruise were equally as skeptical about it but the source was very definitive & specific on it. We will see how it plays out. In the meantime, we can continue to speculate some more.

Dunn's River Falls (Ocho Rios) would make a GREAT palce for a chase scene. You can climb up them to the top.
I can see Bond chasing someone up there.

Maybe a return to the Dr No beach at Ocho too as a major homage?

We did this climb up the falls & it was a lot of fun. Definitely would be a cool place to see a foot chase either up or down the falls.

[danslittlefinger]

This was an interesting rumor that was too good not to share - especially when you hear it while you are in Jamaica. As Major Tallon points out, it could he total hogwash. All of us on the cruise were equally as skeptical about it but the source was very definitive & specific on it. We will see how it plays out. In the meantime, we can continue to speculate some more.

Dunn's River Falls (Ocho Rios) would make a GREAT palce for a chase scene. You can climb up them to the top.
I can see Bond chasing someone up there.

Maybe a return to the Dr No beach at Ocho too as a major homage?

We did this climb up the falls & it was a lot of fun. Definitely would be a cool place to see a foot chase either up or down the falls.

I know, I nearly broke my neck doing the climb BUT if any filming takes place in Jamaica, I'm there. My friends live just outside of Ocho.

[tdalton]

How about someplace new like Australia or Canada

Agreed. Rather than going back to Jamaica, I'd rather see EON take Bond to locations he's never been, and Australia and Canada sit right at the top of that list for me.

[Jeff007]

As I heard this on the cruise I found it hard to believe also. However, if it holds any truth than Major Tallon will have the scoop. Remember Quantum of Solace was going to have a skiing element but it was changed. I'm sure some location scouting was done for that. The Aston Martin crash could just be misdirection to take other reconnaissance shots of the island. As it has been said, having Craig stay at Goldeneye would be a real treat. (We saw it from the sea up close)

So, possibly a Canadian angle, New York, Afghanistan and Jamaica. Not saying it's going to be Live and Let Die but at least it's something for now.

[MattofSteel]

I'd love to see him come to Canada too. I'm just not sure what he'd do.

[tdalton]

Sounds like a WEEKLY WORLD NEWS exclusive. Was his last name Toro? Because it sounds like a load of bull.

Agreed. I seriously doubt that BOND 23 would be an adaptation of LIVE AND LET DIE. There could be some truth in the idea that Jamaica could potentially be a location for the film, but at one point during pre-production for CASINO ROYALE, I believe that South Africa was one of the locations that was heavily discussed, and nothing came of that either.

[Quantumofsolace007]

ok I will admit this there is the definite possiblity location scouting is going on


and jamacia is a possiblity but that is as far i will let this rumour go


as far as locations go Pre title sequence in Canada, then Jamacia New york city (NYC is a competly different animal then what it was in 73 so really it's like a brand new location) and a climax in australia

[Tybre]

Sounds like a WEEKLY WORLD NEWS exclusive. Was his last name Toro? Because it sounds like a load of bull.

Agreed. I seriously doubt that BOND 23 would be an adaptation of LIVE AND LET DIE. There could be some truth in the idea that Jamaica could potentially be a location for the film, but at one point during pre-production for CASINO ROYALE, I believe that South Africa was one of the locations that was heavily discussed, and nothing came of that either.

I thought they were only looking to film in South Africa, not set scenes in South Africa itself? And I thought the only reason it didn't pan out is, well, it's South Africa. Everything I've ever read of the place is just...I mean it sounds a wonderful place but the permits and the border controls and...stopping myself before I go off all day now.

[Vauxhall]

Agreed. I seriously doubt that BOND 23 would be an adaptation of LIVE AND LET DIE. There could be some truth in the idea that Jamaica could potentially be a location for the film, but at one point during pre-production for CASINO ROYALE, I believe that South Africa was one of the locations that was heavily discussed, and nothing came of that either.

All the scenes eventually shot in The Bahamas for CASINO ROYALE were all slated for shooting in South Africa, but there was a problem with permits, etc. Changing the shooting location to The Bahamas was a fairly last minute decision.

The source of the Jamaica rumour intrigues me. I reckon there must be some grounding to it as the man aboard the ship obviously was not the biggest Bond fan and is unlikely to have made it up himself. Could be a case of Chinese whispers though.

[dinovelvet]

Unless we want to start speculating on who could play a 21st century Sheriff J.W. Pepper?

Kevin James or James Belushi as Sheriff J.W. Pepper?

Billy Bob Thornton, preferably One False Move/Tombstone beer belly era, but he can play a great southern son-of-a-b- anyway.

[The Shark]

as far as locations go Pre title sequence in Canada, then Jamacia New york city (NYC is a competly different animal then what it was in 73 so really it's like a brand new location) and a climax in australia

Too many locations, I'd say London, Dubai, Australia/surrounding Islands and leave it at that.

[Quantumofsolace007]

as far as locations go Pre title sequence in Canada, then Jamacia New york city (NYC is a competly different animal then what it was in 73 so really it's like a brand new location) and a climax in australia

Too many locations, I'd say London, Dubai, Australia/surrounding Islands and leave it at that.

fine London New York and australia

[DamnCoffee]

My ideal locations would be:
London, New York, Africa and Switzerland.

I'm MORE than happy for Jamaica to make an appearance, even though I really want a colder location for Bond 23.

[The Shark]

My ideal locations would be:
London, New York, Africa and Switzerland.

I'm MORE than happy for Jamaica to make an appearance, even though I really want a colder location for Bond 23.

If you want a colder location, then why Africa and New York, what about setting most of the film in Scandinavia?

[Tybre]

Honestly I don't much care where Bond turns up. I'd just like the film to stick to two primary locations, at most. Preferably just one primary location. Like maybe, PTS in New York, few scenes in London, and the bulk of the film in Australia.

[danslittlefinger]

London, NY, Caribbean, India, Australia, China, Tibet.

[Major Tallon]

Interesting comments, everyone. Let me attempt some additional observations.

First, everyone's right to be sceptical, if not downright dubious, that they would call their remake "Live and Let Die." It would cause confusion with their existing film and gain them nothing. They could, however, use another title, say "The Undertaker's Wind," and still make a film inspired by Fleming's themes. They'd have to change the names, too. No Mr. Big or Solitaire, but they could use Gallia and Simone Latrelle. Jettison the heroin trade and bring in terrorist financing using what appears to be gold coins recovered from a shipwreck. Nothing I was told suggests any of this. I'm just raising possibilities of things they could do as part of remaking LALD.

Everyone's also right to doubt that they'd use another Caribbean location and crash yet another DBS. I've got no answers for this one. They'd certainly be accused of losing their creativity.

And yet . . .

This guy wasn't trying to sell me a tour. In fact, at no time did he ever suggest that there was any tour of Bond locations. We were on our own tour, again with many thanks to orlandobond, and the cruise director was unaware of our group's existence until I told him about it. At that point, we were speaking privately, and he expressed himself with utter sincerity and in an attempt to be helpful to me. If he's wrong, he's wrong, but there's no way he was being deceptive.

Further, the guy suggested other people that I could speak to for more information, one of whom was identified as being the site manager at Goldeneye, Fleming's estate. The cruise director couldn't have known that we ultimately wouldn't get in. How many tabloid trash submissions provide guides to sources for further exploration?

As for some of the other objections that have been raised, would EON need some kind of permit to bring in dozens of film technicians, close public roads, and stage a crash scene? I'm prepared to believe that it just might. And is Jamaica too dangerous a place for a film crew to make a movie? Shucks, if our bunch could tough it out, I'll bet EON can take the risk.

I'm still not convinced, and it may all turn out to be nonsense, but with due regard to some of the more pointed objections, there's at least some reason to weigh this as possible.

The whole thing's so crazy, it might just be true.

[Tybre]

Needing a permit? Eh, not so sure about that. Might want to ask Zorin or someone with a little more know-how. They would however, likely need to speak to local officials about closing down roads for filming, etc. I do agree with your sentiments however. Did not seem to me from your initial post that there was any malice behind this fellow's comments. He was simply reporting what he believed to be truth, which it may well be. Of course, a thought did just occur to me. Does anyone remember those rumors about a little film called Blofeld?

[The Shark]

London, NY, Caribbean, India, Australia, China, Tibet.

Isn't that too many.

What about - London, Australia and India?

[Shadow Syndicate]

How about a return to the thrilling state of Kentucky?

I'm kidding

[The Shark]

I think India could work very well, especially if they adapted YOLT, and switched India for Japan.

[DaveBond21]

Shooting in Jamaica? Possible, although isn't Jamaica considered quite a dangerous place? There literally would be shooting in Jamaica hahahahahahahaha. That said, it hardly seems out of the question. It would be wonderful if Goldeneye could be used as a location.

Yes, this is a possibility, and it goes with what Daniel joked about in an interview about 6 months ago, when he said that in the next one, Bond will spend the first 30 minutes lying on the beach, drinking cocktails!

And remember that just because they would be filming in Jamaica, doesn't mean that Jamaica would be the location (it could be doubling for somewhere else, like the Bahamas stood in for Madagascar in Casino Royale).

Whatever the truth of this rumour, I doubt they'd remake LALD, but I can see them including elements of the novel.

[DamnCoffee]

He also mentioned something about a lost manuscript under Flemings sofa at his estate.

[Vauxhall]

London, NY, Caribbean, India, Australia, China, Tibet.

Are these suggested filming locations or plot locations for BOND 23? The Chinese government would not allow EON to actually film in Tibet.

[blueman]

How about a return to the thrilling state of Kentucky?

I'm kidding

[Quantumofsolace007]

well POSSILBy (and this is an extremly key word) Possibly The locations are

New york Afghanistan and Jamacia with bond possibly staying in Goldeneye.

Coulld be extremly classic.

Now i am well aware all 3 of these rumours could be nonesense and meran nothing but they could all be true which means we could get a general idea of plot as well. and with Morgan writing the possiblity of it being a more politcal thriller.

I love grasping at straws and trying to see what could be possible. In 5 months we will be discusing hopefully more offical announcments like director and possibly cast