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[Major Tallon]

Under the excellent guidance of Mr. and Mrs. orlandobond, a group of about four dozen Bond fans, including a great group of CBn'ers, have just returned from a cruise to Key West, Grand Cayman, and Jamaica. More on that on another thread. On the cruise, we picked up a hint to possible scenes to Bond 23.

So, with that, here goes a possible CBn world exclusive.

Spoilers, obviously.

The cruise director was giving folks his port talk about Jamaica, when he said that Jamaica had been used in two previous Bond films (Dr. No and, erroneously, Thunderball). He then said that Jamaica is being planned as a location for a third Bond film, set for release in mid-2010. I tracked him down, and he elaborated. The film, he said, is a remake of Live and Let Die. He said that the operator of a tourist attraction on the island, affiliated with the cruise line, is a member of the Jamaican parliament and has told him that efforts are underway to obtain permits for the film company to film the crash of an Aston Martin DBS on the island. He further said that one of the officials at Fleming's home, Goldeneye, would have more details, but a hiccup prevented us from getting there.

So, what to make of all this? For starters, a mid-2010 release is highly unlikely, given the time that would be required to write a script and produce the film. On the other hand, the cruise director was pretty definite in his statement, and what he said does contain more detail, with an identified source, than usually contained in mere rumors. My guess is that there may indeed be some consideration being given to filming in Jamaica, and perhaps an LALD remake. What's most likely is that there may be some location scouting going on, or perhaps even some test shots or inserts being planned. I wouldn't read more into this statement than this.

If this all turns out to be total hogwash, well it was just a hearsay rumor. If, on the other hand, this is the first real hint at Bond 23, just remember -- you heard it here first.

[The Shark]

Wow. A faithful adaptation of LAD could quite possibly, turn out to be amazing.

[danslittlefinger]

If it is, I shall go to my friends who live in Ocho Rios to watch the filming.

[dinovelvet]

The film, he said, is a remake of Live and Let Die.

LOL

[Quantumofsolace007]

this belongs in the Tabloid trach bin for bond 23 i created a few weeks ago (which derserves a sticky btw) Bond 23 is definitly not going to be a readaption of live and let die


with that said there is the possability of elements from the novel being used with a new title (the hildebrand rarity ) obviously and jamaica might be a location.


Jamaica New york interesting.

[danslittlefinger]

Maybe we might have a gorgeous Jamaican/Caribbean main Bond girl???

Having said that, aren't these people under any form of confidentialty clauses??? Although knowing the Jamaican way of life fairly well, probably not.

Easy mon...no problem...

Knowing the Caymans well too, that might prove a great location (tax haven), great spots to film in, specially scuba scenes off Seven Mile Beach and the famous shelf drop. You can literally wade out upto the knees then it drops down for miles..
Also a place called "Hell" is there, fantastic landscape. I stayed there by the Post Office and then there's Stingray City.

Dreaming I suppose.

[Loomis]

A remake of LIVE AND LET DIE? I'm not buying that for a single second.

Release in mid-2010? Again, no. Although the news that Peter Morgan has been hired to pen a screenplay does seem to indicate that a 2010 release is possible. Although I'm sure it'd be no earlier than October and not "mid" 2010.

Shooting in Jamaica? Possible, although isn't Jamaica considered quite a dangerous place? There literally would be shooting in Jamaica hahahahahahahaha. That said, it hardly seems out of the question. It would be wonderful if Goldeneye could be used as a location.

[[dark]]

Jamaica would be a great (and fitting) location for the next Bond film, and it wouldn't surprise me if the producers are making a more pronounced return to Fleming's work in the wake of the mixed reaction to Quantum of Solace (and the overwhelmingly positive reaction to Casino Royale). A re-adaptation of Live and Let Die would be a good place to start; here's hoping they're saving a re-adaptation of You Only Live Twice for Craig's last Bond flick. And imagine Craig's Bond staying at Goldeneye in Bond 23!

Time will tell if this is the real deal or just a tour operator talking up his business.

[danslittlefinger]

Dunn's River Falls (Ocho Rios) would make a GREAT palce for a chase scene. You can climb up them to the top.
I can see Bond chasing someone up there.

Maybe a return to the Dr No beach at Ocho too as a major homage?

[Tybre]

Remake? Doubt it. Incorporating elements of the novel? I hope so.

[Loomis]

Knowing the Caymans well too, that might prove a great location (tax haven), great spots to film in, specially scuba scenes off Seven Mile Beach and the famous shelf drop. You can literally wade out upto the knees then it drops down for miles..
Also a place called "Hell" is there, fantastic landscape. I stayed there by the Post Office and then there's Stingray City.

Having visited Grand Cayman, I concur.

I can see elements of LALD turning up in BOND 23 (notably the maiming of Leiter, albeit that it was already done in LICENCE TO KILL), but I can't think why Eon would do an official remake. It would just invite comparisons with the Moore film. And I'm not sure that there's anything about the story of Fleming's LALD that truly demands to be told in the Craig era. The ending of YOLT? Absolutely. But - and sorry to be blunt - what's so special about LALD that would lead Eon to adopt the unprecedented tactic of a remake?

[Turn]

So we have on the table, according to this, another Aston Martin crash (can Bond get his licence to drive already) and a return to a familiar tropical island. We've had these things in the first two Craig films already.

How about someplace new like Australia or Canada or a return to Asia? I want the Craig era to move in different directions, but crashing cars on tropical islands has all the tedious promise of riding in a new BMW while peeling back the layers and trying to catch who betrayed you. I thought that era ended in 2002.

Then again, it's Craig as Bond, so it makes me more willing to take the ride.

[Quantumofsolace007]

i will say this bond in Jamaica would be nice


hmm New york jamacia and perhaps a europaen location


i love the jamacian locations as suggested. and Craig's bond films do have a very carribian feel to it Bahamas Port au prince haiti perhaps Jamacia is next.

[jaguar007]

I would love to see unused elements of Fleming's novels in future films, but much of LALD has already made it to the big screen (FYEO, LTK). YOLT is the one I would really like to see adapted.

[danslittlefinger]

I would love to see unused elements of Fleming's novels in future films, but much of LALD has already made it to the big screen (FYEO, LTK). YOLT is the one I would really like to see adapted.

Ah yes, the pinch of PARKOUR salt.
Sorry, but this maybe the closest I get to watching an actual Bond filming.
If it's there or anywhere near, I'm going to watch it. Great excuse to revisit friends.

[Matt_13]

We'll see... Glad you had a good time on the cruise though!

[[dark]]

I can see elements of LALD turning up in BOND 23 (notably the maiming of Leiter, albeit that it was already done in LICENCE TO KILL), but I can't think why Eon would do an official remake. It would just invite comparisons with the Moore film.

Assuming all of this is actually true, Eon would have to be pursuing a re-adaptation of Live and Let Die, rather than a remake of Roger Moore's debut film. Or simply using (elements of) the story as a basis for a larger plot à la Casino Royale or The Living Daylights. There can't be any doubt about that, surely. Again, assuming this is all fact.

Unless we want to start speculating on who could play a 21st century Sheriff J.W. Pepper?

[Mr. Blofeld]

I can see them turning Mr. Big into a representative of Quantum, as well as the long, action-filled sequence involving Bond's vengeance on the Robber for throwing Felix Leiter to the sharks; it'd be a hell of a sight better than what we got in Licence to Kill with Killifer. I can picture Daniel Craig dodging from fish tank to fish tank as he avoids rapid fire from the Robber...

[Quantumofsolace007]

I just realised something


Rumour front for bond 22

Early report the killers are going to do the song
Blofeld is the possible villian
Live and let die to be remade

Rumour front for bond 23


Early Reports the killers are going to do the song
Blofeld is possibly the villian
Live and let die to be remade


What's next

"the sun says bond 23 is going to Risico and use much of the plot"

Olsen twins as bond girls?

Amy Winehouse is a lock for the theme song?

Maybe I'm new to the bond rumour scene ( I am after all only 22) but it seems to me the rumours thus far we've all heard before.

If i see in the next few weeks bond 23 is possibly risico I'm gonna laugh

[Matt_13]

I can see them turning Mr. Big into a representative of Quantum, as well as the long, action-filled sequence involving Bond's vengeance on the Robber for throwing Felix Leiter to the sharks; it'd be a hell of a sight better than what we got in Licence to Kill with Killifer. I can picture Daniel Craig dodging from fish tank to fish tank as he avoids rapid fire from the Robber...

I thought the LTK scene was as perfectly stripped from the book as it could have been. It was almost exactly as I pictured it. In fact it was that scene that made me realise plot items were being used from the novel LALD (this was in my early days of Bondom).

[Righty007]

I can see them turning Mr. Big into a representative of Quantum, as well as the long, action-filled sequence involving Bond's vengeance on the Robber for throwing Felix Leiter to the sharks; it'd be a hell of a sight better than what we got in Licence to Kill with Killifer. I can picture Daniel Craig dodging from fish tank to fish tank as he avoids rapid fire from the Robber...

So...you advocate maiming Jeffrey Wright after only two films?

I hope they never decide to maim Leiter again. I know it's part of the Bond mythology but it's already been done. Plus, the maiming of Leiter prevented the character from being used again until the series was rebooted in 2006. I love Leiter too much to see him disappear again.

[Tybre]

I can see them turning Mr. Big into a representative of Quantum, as well as the long, action-filled sequence involving Bond's vengeance on the Robber for throwing Felix Leiter to the sharks; it'd be a hell of a sight better than what we got in Licence to Kill with Killifer. I can picture Daniel Craig dodging from fish tank to fish tank as he avoids rapid fire from the Robber...

So...you advocate maiming Jeffrey Wright after only two films?

I hope they never decide to maim Leiter again. I know it's part of the Bond mythology but it's already been done. Plus, the maiming of Leiter prevented the character from being used again until the series was rebooted in 2006. I love Leiter too much to see him disappear again.

It didn't prevent the character from being used again. They just lacked the cahones to bring in crippled Felix.

[sharpshooter]

I'd certainly like a more laidback, fun Caribbean flavoured outing for Bond 23. Time will tell. If you take everything with a grain of salt, you'll die of thirst.

[MattofSteel]

Rubbish. In every sense of the word.

Aston Martin isn't confirmed to be the car.

You don't need a "permit" to crash one before a script is written.

A re-make of LALD is just plain ridiculous.

Absolute hogwash. I hope I'm right.

[jaguar007]

Unless we want to start speculating on who could play a 21st century Sheriff J.W. Pepper?

I can see John Goodman (ala Arachnophobia) chasing Daniel Craig along the Louisiana Bayou. Oh god, did I just say that

[Captain Tightpants]

Sounds a bit like the operator was drumming up business a little ...

[blueman]

Sounds a bit like the operator was drumming up business a little ...

Yep. Perhaps based on some pre-production work happening on the island, but that's as far as I'd bite with this.

[Captain Tightpants]

Sounds a bit like the operator was drumming up business a little ...

Yep. Perhaps based on some pre-production work happening on the island, but that's as far as I'd bite with this.

The thing for me is that most of the LALD content that wasn't in the film later made it into LTK. Seriously, swap Sanchez's drugs for money, and it's basically the same plot. There's absolutely no reason to do a straight adaptation of the book, because, like most Fleming material, it's already been covered.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

Hoping and praying this is all tripe.

[Loomis]

I can see them turning Mr. Big into a representative of Quantum, as well as the long, action-filled sequence involving Bond's vengeance on the Robber for throwing Felix Leiter to the sharks; it'd be a hell of a sight better than what we got in Licence to Kill with Killifer. I can picture Daniel Craig dodging from fish tank to fish tank as he avoids rapid fire from the Robber...

So...you advocate maiming Jeffrey Wright after only two films?

Well, Fleming did it after one book, and if the Craig era is supposed to be a reboot then there would be a certain logic in maiming Leiter again (I say "again" because, obviously, there was LICENCE TO KILL).

Plus, the maiming of Leiter prevented the character from being used again until the series was rebooted in 2006. I love Leiter too much to see him disappear again.

If Leiter were to be maimed in BOND 23 it wouldn't prevent him being used again. Why would he have to disappear?

In all of the Flemings he appears in apart from CASINO ROYALE, and all of the Gardners and Bensons, plus DEVIL MAY CARE, Leiter is a cripple (sorry if the politically correct term offends anyone).