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[DaveBond21]

I say Christmas for a change, Christmas 2011, so as much time is spent in post-production as possible.
A season known for Oscar-bait dramas, as opposed to action/adventure and spy thrillers. If Bond was placed there, rather than the obscure November time period, he could do pretty well commercially, critically and in terms of awards.

Too bad Casino Royale didn't come out then, eh?

CASINO ROYALE wouldn't have been nominated for any of the major awards, no matter what month it was released in (nor would any Bond film, for that matter). No matter how deserving a Bond film may ultimately be, or how well-reviewed it may ultimately be, I think that when the time comes to put films down on the ballot, the reigning thought in the Academy will be that it's still "just a Bond film", and therefore unoworthy of the nomination.

Also, there are plenty of films that are released before December that get nominated for awards. I would say that generally the window in which films are most likely to be nominated is fairly narrow (November to December), but it's possible for a film released in any month if it's good enough.

Also, as I said earlier in the thread, I don't see any Bond film ever being nominated. If Daniel Craig and Eva Green couldn't capture lead acting nominations for CASINO ROYALE, then I just don't see Bond ever working itself into the major categories.

I thought that Casino Royale was nominated for BAFTA awards?

[The Shark]

Also, as I said earlier in the thread, I don't see any Bond film ever being nominated. If Daniel Craig and Eva Green couldn't capture lead acting nominations for CASINO ROYALE, then I just don't see Bond ever working itself into the major categories.

I think the cheese-ball romantic dialogue from the Haggfish and OTT action sequences from Campbell prevented that.

Hopefully they can improve.

[tdalton]

I say Christmas for a change, Christmas 2011, so as much time is spent in post-production as possible.
A season known for Oscar-bait dramas, as opposed to action/adventure and spy thrillers. If Bond was placed there, rather than the obscure November time period, he could do pretty well commercially, critically and in terms of awards.

Too bad Casino Royale didn't come out then, eh?

CASINO ROYALE wouldn't have been nominated for any of the major awards, no matter what month it was released in (nor would any Bond film, for that matter). No matter how deserving a Bond film may ultimately be, or how well-reviewed it may ultimately be, I think that when the time comes to put films down on the ballot, the reigning thought in the Academy will be that it's still "just a Bond film", and therefore unoworthy of the nomination.

Also, there are plenty of films that are released before December that get nominated for awards. I would say that generally the window in which films are most likely to be nominated is fairly narrow (November to December), but it's possible for a film released in any month if it's good enough.

Also, as I said earlier in the thread, I don't see any Bond film ever being nominated. If Daniel Craig and Eva Green couldn't capture lead acting nominations for CASINO ROYALE, then I just don't see Bond ever working itself into the major categories.

I thought that Casino Royale was nominated for BAFTA awards?

It was. I was talking about the Academy Awards, which is what I thought the discussion was about. If I misread the discussion, and we were actually discussing just the various award shows in general, then that's certainly my mistake. Simply in terms of the Academy Awards (and, by the way, I'm absolutely thrilled that the BAFTAS at least noticed the brilliance of Craig's performance in CASINO ROYALE, something that the Oscars missed when formulating the nominations in 2006), if Craig and Green couldn't garner nominations for their performances, then I just don't see it happening for Bond at any point, no matter how good the films/performances/whatever else are. Hopefully, other award committees (or whatever we want to call them) will continue to recognize the brilliance of Craig, etc. when such recognition is deserved.

Also, as I said earlier in the thread, I don't see any Bond film ever being nominated. If Daniel Craig and Eva Green couldn't capture lead acting nominations for CASINO ROYALE, then I just don't see Bond ever working itself into the major categories.

I think the cheese-ball romantic dialogue from the Haggfish and OTT action sequences from Campbell prevented that.

Hopefully they can improve.

I don't think that the dialogue or the action could (or, to rephrase, should) have prevented Craig and Green from being nominated for their parts. Craig was nominated for the same award at the BAFTAs, which shows that at least one award committee found the performance brilliant. Also, plenty of actors have turned in brilliant performances in otherwise poor films, or other films that are more in line with what Bond is, which is essentially an action film. If Johnny Depp could get nominated for PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN (a summer blockbuster with plenty of action and poor dialogue) then certainly Craig could get nominated for a film like CASINO ROYALE.

[Tybre]

I say Christmas for a change, Christmas 2011, so as much time is spent in post-production as possible.
A season known for Oscar-bait dramas, as opposed to action/adventure and spy thrillers. If Bond was placed there, rather than the obscure November time period, he could do pretty well commercially, critically and in terms of awards.

Too bad Casino Royale didn't come out then, eh?

CASINO ROYALE wouldn't have been nominated for any of the major awards, no matter what month it was released in (nor would any Bond film, for that matter). No matter how deserving a Bond film may ultimately be, or how well-reviewed it may ultimately be, I think that when the time comes to put films down on the ballot, the reigning thought in the Academy will be that it's still "just a Bond film", and therefore unoworthy of the nomination.

Also, there are plenty of films that are released before December that get nominated for awards. I would say that generally the window in which films are most likely to be nominated is fairly narrow (November to December), but it's possible for a film released in any month if it's good enough.

Also, as I said earlier in the thread, I don't see any Bond film ever being nominated. If Daniel Craig and Eva Green couldn't capture lead acting nominations for CASINO ROYALE, then I just don't see Bond ever working itself into the major categories.

I thought that Casino Royale was nominated for BAFTA awards?

It was. I was talking about the Academy Awards, which is what I thought the discussion was about. If I misread the discussion, and we were actually discussing just the various award shows in general, then that's certainly my mistake. Simply in terms of the Academy Awards (and, by the way, I'm absolutely thrilled that the BAFTAS at least noticed the brilliance of Craig's performance in CASINO ROYALE, something that the Oscars missed when formulating the nominations in 2006), if Craig and Green couldn't garner nominations for their performances, then I just don't see it happening for Bond at any point, no matter how good the films/performances/whatever else are. Hopefully, other award committees (or whatever we want to call them) will continue to recognize the brilliance of Craig, etc. when such recognition is deserved.

Also, as I said earlier in the thread, I don't see any Bond film ever being nominated. If Daniel Craig and Eva Green couldn't capture lead acting nominations for CASINO ROYALE, then I just don't see Bond ever working itself into the major categories.

I think the cheese-ball romantic dialogue from the Haggfish and OTT action sequences from Campbell prevented that.

Hopefully they can improve.

I don't think that the dialogue or the action could (or, to rephrase, should) have prevented Craig and Green from being nominated for their parts. Craig was nominated for the same award at the BAFTAs, which shows that at least one award committee found the performance brilliant. Also, plenty of actors have turned in brilliant performances in otherwise poor films, or other films that are more in line with what Bond is, which is essentially an action film. If Johnny Depp could get nominated for PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN (a summer blockbuster with plenty of action and poor dialogue) then certainly Craig could get nominated for a film like CASINO ROYALE.

I wonder though, if you changed the name of the hero from James Bond, M's name from M, etc. Basically take out all of the glaring Bond-ness and just turned it into an ordinary action flick, would it still go without getting even a nomination for an academy award? Or would they have latched onto it as a fantastic film?

[tdalton]

I say Christmas for a change, Christmas 2011, so as much time is spent in post-production as possible.
A season known for Oscar-bait dramas, as opposed to action/adventure and spy thrillers. If Bond was placed there, rather than the obscure November time period, he could do pretty well commercially, critically and in terms of awards.

Too bad Casino Royale didn't come out then, eh?

CASINO ROYALE wouldn't have been nominated for any of the major awards, no matter what month it was released in (nor would any Bond film, for that matter). No matter how deserving a Bond film may ultimately be, or how well-reviewed it may ultimately be, I think that when the time comes to put films down on the ballot, the reigning thought in the Academy will be that it's still "just a Bond film", and therefore unoworthy of the nomination.

Also, there are plenty of films that are released before December that get nominated for awards. I would say that generally the window in which films are most likely to be nominated is fairly narrow (November to December), but it's possible for a film released in any month if it's good enough.

Also, as I said earlier in the thread, I don't see any Bond film ever being nominated. If Daniel Craig and Eva Green couldn't capture lead acting nominations for CASINO ROYALE, then I just don't see Bond ever working itself into the major categories.

I thought that Casino Royale was nominated for BAFTA awards?

It was. I was talking about the Academy Awards, which is what I thought the discussion was about. If I misread the discussion, and we were actually discussing just the various award shows in general, then that's certainly my mistake. Simply in terms of the Academy Awards (and, by the way, I'm absolutely thrilled that the BAFTAS at least noticed the brilliance of Craig's performance in CASINO ROYALE, something that the Oscars missed when formulating the nominations in 2006), if Craig and Green couldn't garner nominations for their performances, then I just don't see it happening for Bond at any point, no matter how good the films/performances/whatever else are. Hopefully, other award committees (or whatever we want to call them) will continue to recognize the brilliance of Craig, etc. when such recognition is deserved.

Also, as I said earlier in the thread, I don't see any Bond film ever being nominated. If Daniel Craig and Eva Green couldn't capture lead acting nominations for CASINO ROYALE, then I just don't see Bond ever working itself into the major categories.

I think the cheese-ball romantic dialogue from the Haggfish and OTT action sequences from Campbell prevented that.

Hopefully they can improve.

I don't think that the dialogue or the action could (or, to rephrase, should) have prevented Craig and Green from being nominated for their parts. Craig was nominated for the same award at the BAFTAs, which shows that at least one award committee found the performance brilliant. Also, plenty of actors have turned in brilliant performances in otherwise poor films, or other films that are more in line with what Bond is, which is essentially an action film. If Johnny Depp could get nominated for PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN (a summer blockbuster with plenty of action and poor dialogue) then certainly Craig could get nominated for a film like CASINO ROYALE.

I wonder though, if you changed the name of the hero from James Bond, M's name from M, etc. Basically take out all of the glaring Bond-ness and just turned it into an ordinary action flick, would it still go without getting even a nomination for an academy award? Or would they have latched onto it as a fantastic film?

That's an interesting question, and one that I don't think that anyone could answer. The only way that I think I could go about answering it would be to just restate my point about Johnny Depp. If Johnny Depp could get an acting nomination for PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, then I think that Craig and Green could have gotten acting nominations for CASINO ROYALE.

As far as a Best Picture nomination, I have no idea what would have happened with CASINO ROYALE were it not a James Bond film, but with everything else left intact. That could have gone either way, as it's hard to determine how a critic would review the film if it were altered a bit. But, I think that in the case of the other major Oscar categories (namely lead actor and actress) that it's possible even within the framework of a Bond film seeing as how Craig managed a BAFTA nomination and the US Academy has already shown itself to be willing to nominate an actor for a summer blockbuster when they nominated Johnny Depp for PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN.