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[Jim]

Thoughts?

I think people are reaching into hammerspace and coming up with ideas to satisfy their need to have a film once every two years. Does it really matter if we get it in 2010 or 2011?

No, no it doesn't matter.

[Col. Sun]

It sounds as if Wade and Purvis may have already started some early concept, story work on Bond 23 with Eon.

This development writing process can and will take several months before they actually begin a screenplay. Sound as if Mprgan will come in and do the second draft, re-writes , dial polish etc. like Haggis did.

On the basic time-frame for scripting, it may be possible for Bond 23 to get into pre-production late '09 early '10 for an April/May start of principle photography - so we might be looking at a March/April '11 releases date - a break from the established Nov dates.

With proper script working only just getting underway, it is very doubtful that they'll be in pre-production by Sept for an early '10 (Feb) shoot.

[HildebrandRarity]

Thoughts?

I think people are reaching into hammerspace and coming up with ideas to satisfy their need to have a film once every two years. Does it really matter if we get it in 2010 or 2011?

Yes!

Life is finite and I, for one, would like to get my fill of as many James Bond films on the Big Screen as I can before I die.

It sounds as if Wade and Purvis may have already started some early concept, story work on Bond 23 with Eon.

This development writing process can and will take several months before they actually begin a screenplay. Sound as if Mprgan will come in and do the second draft, re-writes , dial polish etc. like Haggis did.

On the basic time-frame for scripting, it may be possible for Bond 23 to get into pre-production late '09 early '10 for an April/May start of principle photography - so we might be looking at a March/April '11 releases date - a break from the established Nov dates.

With proper script working only just getting underway, it is very doubtful that they'll be in pre-production by Sept for an early '10 (Feb) shoot.

I wouldn't mind Zorin's input into your above comment.

Also, it seems James Bond films are always released around major holidays such as Christmas, U.S. Thanksgiving, Summer school vacations, etc...so a March/April release would seem unusual. Usually that period is a poor period seasonally for box office. "300", however, proved otherwise...so, who knows?

[Zorin Industries]

Thoughts?

I think people are reaching into hammerspace and coming up with ideas to satisfy their need to have a film once every two years. Does it really matter if we get it in 2010 or 2011?

Yes!

Life is finite and I, for one, would like to get my fill of as many James Bond films on the Big Screen as I can before I die.

It sounds as if Wade and Purvis may have already started some early concept, story work on Bond 23 with Eon.

This development writing process can and will take several months before they actually begin a screenplay. Sound as if Mprgan will come in and do the second draft, re-writes , dial polish etc. like Haggis did.

On the basic time-frame for scripting, it may be possible for Bond 23 to get into pre-production late '09 early '10 for an April/May start of principle photography - so we might be looking at a March/April '11 releases date - a break from the established Nov dates.

With proper script working only just getting underway, it is very doubtful that they'll be in pre-production by Sept for an early '10 (Feb) shoot.

I wouldn't mind Zorin's input into your above comment.

Not a comment as such, but some insight from experience. A script takes as long as it does to rewrite. A script is not written once and then set in stone. Everything changes. Everyone has an input, everyone has a better idea, everyone can see why three scenes can actually become one - though not always in the first script meeting.

When a film or TV project is properly greenlit (i.e. the money is there) then the script continues being worked on, reshaped, redrafted, honed up, honed down whilst the other departments set to work. Be it a kids TV drama, telly advert or a Bond film, location recces alone throw up all sorts of questions. If a Bond film needs an Italian market square for a chase scene, then market squares in Italy will be investigated. The script will continue being written as that location is pinned down. But then the logistics emerge that say that market square in Italy that is the nearest one to the best international airport and three hotels we can multi-book the cast and crew into actually doesn't have the access the camera crew and lighting rigs need (they can get in but the tourist crowds limit shooting time). It can be done but will stretch the time we have filming the skiing action in St Moritz a fortnight later.

So... the writers have to rethink / rewrite. But writers rewrite. That is what they do. Internet forumss like CBN see rewrites as a mark of weakness, but the reality is the exact opposite. So some Bond scribes then have to ask themselves, "Can we have this footchase in a busy street instead? Can that narratively give the same bite visually and dramatically? So suddenly a good street is found with less access for traffic (i.e. less disruption to the city and the crew) near to St Moritz. The script can be reworked and - hopefully - there will be a dramatic motivation as the story is meant to move onto St Moritz anyway as the filming clearances were cleared 8 months ago before writers were announced and titles were rumoured.

What I am saying is that it is not an A, B, C, D process. It does not work that the script is delivered on one date, the budget is set on the next, the director is cast three days later and a press release follows at the end of the week... and so on.

[HildebrandRarity]

Good stuff there, Zorin. Thanks.

With respect to budget: I imagine that everyone and their grandma would be willing to fund Bond 23. It's one of the chosen few "sure bets" in world cinema.

MGM would love Bond 23 to get released sooner than later. This fact alone could be a driving factor which would shorthen Mr Wilson's "break". Non?

I suspect Bond 23 got green lit once Quantum looked like it would become one of the top handful of films at the 2008 box office...around early December of this past year. Great Recession or no.

[YOLT]

Well we are talking about a 007 film not a drama of 3 hours. Searching for locations is much more important. Also the action is. Ofcourse we need a strong story but 2-3 months seems ok for me.

We never got the actors-actress other than 007 and M, before January.

The writers strike began on November 5, 2007, and if I am not wrong 007 writers were still dealing with it.

Also many things changed with Forster in QOS Just find some actors write something and start in January 2010.

[Zorin Industries]

Well we are talking about a 007 film not a drama of 3 hours. Searching for locations is much more important. Also the action is. Ofcourse we need a strong story but 2-3 months seems ok for me.

We never got the actors-actress other than 007 and M, before January.

The writers strike began on November 5, 2007, and if I am not wrong 007 writers were still dealing with it.

Also many things changed with Forster in QOS Just find some actors write something and start in January 2010.

I can tell you've never worked on a film then young YOLT.

When the public "get" the announcement has nothing to do with the film's progression. A great majority of the cast and crew are secured months before the press is told.

If only it were as easy as find some actors, write something and be ready for whatever date.

And yes, a Bond film is as detailed, complicated and logistically temperemental as a three hour drama. And a lot harder to get right too.

[YOLT]

Well we are talking about a 007 film not a drama of 3 hours. Searching for locations is much more important. Also the action is. Ofcourse we need a strong story but 2-3 months seems ok for me.

We never got the actors-actress other than 007 and M, before January.

The writers strike began on November 5, 2007, and if I am not wrong 007 writers were still dealing with it.

Also many things changed with Forster in QOS Just find some actors write something and start in January 2010.

I can tell you've never worked on a film then young YOLT.

When the public "get" the announcement has nothing to do with the film's progression. A great majority of the cast and crew are secured months before the press is told.

If only it were as easy as find some actors, write something and be ready for whatever date.

And yes, a Bond film is as detailed, complicated and logistically temperemental as a three hour drama. And a lot harder to get right too.

You tell what I am also saying. "A great majority of the script are secured months before the press is told." So I think they have a finished script now.

"It was announced on February 16, 2006 that Eva Green would play the part" Eva Green the leading lady of CR, was announced after the film starts! I remember lots of late-announcements in 007 films. They are different in this manner.

"On 6 October 2005, Martin Campbell confirmed that Casino Royale would film in the Bahamas and "maybe Italy"." Just 3 months to shooting and he says "maybe"!

I am not saying that it is easy. But they have time to have the film ready in 2010 Nov.

[Zorin Industries]

Well we are talking about a 007 film not a drama of 3 hours. Searching for locations is much more important. Also the action is. Ofcourse we need a strong story but 2-3 months seems ok for me.

We never got the actors-actress other than 007 and M, before January.

The writers strike began on November 5, 2007, and if I am not wrong 007 writers were still dealing with it.

Also many things changed with Forster in QOS Just find some actors write something and start in January 2010.

I can tell you've never worked on a film then young YOLT.

When the public "get" the announcement has nothing to do with the film's progression. A great majority of the cast and crew are secured months before the press is told.

If only it were as easy as find some actors, write something and be ready for whatever date.

And yes, a Bond film is as detailed, complicated and logistically temperemental as a three hour drama. And a lot harder to get right too.

You tell what I am also saying. "A great majority of the script are secured months before the press is told." So I think they have a finished script now.

"It was announced on February 16, 2006 that Eva Green would play the part" Eva Green the leading lady of CR, was announced after the film starts! I remember lots of late-announcements in 007 films. They are different in this manner.

"On 6 October 2005, Martin Campbell confirmed that Casino Royale would film in the Bahamas and "maybe Italy"." Just 3 months to shooting and he says "maybe"!

I am not saying that it is easy. But they have time to have the film ready in 2010 Nov.

Who said they have a finished script?

FORGET the dates of press releases. That is nothing but a historical archive of - er - press releases, not the production pattern of a film series.

Yes a director could well say "maybe Italy" three months before shooting. He is keeping details under his hat and - I hate to say - being deliberately vague about production details that give things away AND have not been finalised yet. Producers do it all the time. Even Michael Wilson does it (sort of) when he claims Eon are taking a break from Bond only a month later for a writers announcement to do the rounds. Though it is only that for now to be fair.

[Orion]

Bond 23's release is all dependant on how long it takes them to get a script they are happy with really, as there isn't much you can do without a greenlit script.

[Zorin Industries]

Bond 23's release is all dependant on how long it takes them to get a script they are happy with really, as there isn't much you can do without a greenlit script.

True. Though there are other factors that will come into play.

If Eon really can take their time to their benefit and comfort then great. Time will tell.

[Pierce - Daniel]

Summer 2011 is busy.
Thor
Spidey
Bourne
Harry Potter
Green Lantern
Maybe another Batman
Possibly Bond

It is a busy summer but so was this summer, we had Star Trek, Angels and Demons, Terminator, Harry Potter and so on. Bond just needs to open on it's own weekend a few weeks apart from any major threats. I'm thinking Potter and Spidey.

I think Bond would do well in Summer if not better. Younger people are all out of school and looking for something to do. There is always big money in the Summer blockbuster market. Plus the Daniel Craig films are well accepted critically, and the auidnece like him in the role, after TLD people turned on Dalton hence the disinterest when LTK was released, people are all still shook up by Craig's Bond.
Potter has done well if not better by going between Winter and Summer release dates and the Summer films always out proform the winter releases. It's a big risk, but Babs and Mikey appear to be in the buisness of making those in the past few years.

[Zorin Industries]

Summer 2011 is busy.
Thor
Spidey
Bourne
Harry Potter
Green Lantern
Maybe another Batman
Possibly Bond

It is a busy summer but so was this summer, we had Star Trek, Angels and Demons, Terminator, Harry Potter and so on.

Does anyone else think that this year's Summer films have been decidely non-blockbuster-y. Yes we've got tired old retreads of films that shouldn't be getting sequels still (TERMINATOR and TRANSFORMERS) but I would say only STAR TREK was the flagpole release of the Summer that had a point to it being released. Everything else are cash cows being put out to graze.

[Orion]

Bond 23's release is all dependant on how long it takes them to get a script they are happy with really, as there isn't much you can do without a greenlit script.

True. Though there are other factors that will come into play.

If Eon really can take their time to their benefit and comfort then great. Time will tell.

Obviously other factors would come in to it, its just that a script they like is probably the number 1 item on EON's no doubt long list of things needed before deciding upon a release date.

Edited by Orion, 16 June 2009 - 04:38 PM.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I've also heard that the fourth Bourne movie is due in 2011, so would EON really want to risk pitting James Bond against Jason Bourne in the same year? So hopefully Bond 23 will be out next year...If not, 2011 is gonna be a helluva year for this Bond and Bourne fan!!

I thought Bourne 4 was slated for summer 2010.

Here's the link to where I found the news, Tarl..

http://www.firstshow...in-summer-2011/

Well that should give Babs a huge incentive to get this thing out in 2010!

[Tybre]

Summer 2011 is busy.
Thor
Spidey
Bourne
Harry Potter
Green Lantern
Maybe another Batman
Possibly Bond

It is a busy summer but so was this summer, we had Star Trek, Angels and Demons, Terminator, Harry Potter and so on.

Does anyone else think that this year's Summer films have been decidely non-blockbuster-y. Yes we've got tired old retreads of films that shouldn't be getting sequels still (TERMINATOR and TRANSFORMERS) but I would say only STAR TREK was the flagpole release of the Summer that had a point to it being released. Everything else are cash cows being put out to graze.

Indeed. So far this summer is kind of dead. I have no idea what, if anything, is coming out later this summer. Guess Hollywood tapped itself out last summer. Needs a rest for two years to get the really big stuff out.

[DaveBond21]

Bond movies are always summer movies here in Sydney....

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Not sure if in 2010, but probably in May or June 2011. Remember Bond 22 was once announced for May 2nd, 2008.

[Mr. Somerset]

I'm just thrilled B23 is in the works as it is. BTW Is this new format for posting forums is temporary? I must say this s quite annoying:(

[MattofSteel]

Summer 2011 is busy.
Thor
Spidey
Bourne
Harry Potter
Green Lantern
Maybe another Batman
Possibly Bond

It is a busy summer but so was this summer, we had Star Trek, Angels and Demons, Terminator, Harry Potter and so on.

Does anyone else think that this year's Summer films have been decidely non-blockbuster-y. Yes we've got tired old retreads of films that shouldn't be getting sequels still (TERMINATOR and TRANSFORMERS) but I would say only STAR TREK was the flagpole release of the Summer that had a point to it being released. Everything else are cash cows being put out to graze.

Totally agree. The summer rush sort of felt like it ended for me after Star Trek. I still haven't seen the first Transformers, and I haven't much interest in the Terminator movie either - seeing as the franchise was always entertaining to me, before, when you had the futuristic element in the PRESENT world. The trailers make this one just look like grungy sci-fi.

[havok_007]

They should get on to it... they seem to take for ever to get them done.

[Safari Suit]

Does anyone else think that this year's Summer films have been decidely non-blockbuster-y. Yes we've got tired old retreads of films that shouldn't be getting sequels still (TERMINATOR and TRANSFORMERS) but I would say only STAR TREK was the flagpole release of the Summer that had a point to it being released. Everything else are cash cows being put out to graze.

Yes, I think that (on paper) this is the least exciting and/or interesting summer in my living memory. And why are so many big budget films about robots being made these days (I saw the trailer for Surrogates last night).

[Jim]

I think it's time to start this rumour and see how quickly it disseminates.

Bond 23-D

Says it all, really.

[killkenny kid]

Stick to the fall release and give us Bond 23 in '10.

Hopefully by this time next year the board will be flooded with all of us raving about the teaser trailer.

Hildebrand? Property? Riscio? - I'm for any of the three. Just give us a kick butt Bond film and give it to us in November of 2010.

Indeed, I need something to get the old heart pumping, I've been very dull around the edges. Nothing like a kick Bond, to get one going.

[Zorin Industries]

I think it's time to start this rumour and see how quickly it disseminates.

Bond 23-D

Says it all, really.

Imagine the possibilities with a 3D Dame Judi....

[YOLT]

Well we are talking about a 007 film not a drama of 3 hours. Searching for locations is much more important. Also the action is. Ofcourse we need a strong story but 2-3 months seems ok for me.

We never got the actors-actress other than 007 and M, before January.

The writers strike began on November 5, 2007, and if I am not wrong 007 writers were still dealing with it.

Also many things changed with Forster in QOS Just find some actors write something and start in January 2010.

I can tell you've never worked on a film then young YOLT.

When the public "get" the announcement has nothing to do with the film's progression. A great majority of the cast and crew are secured months before the press is told.

If only it were as easy as find some actors, write something and be ready for whatever date.

And yes, a Bond film is as detailed, complicated and logistically temperemental as a three hour drama. And a lot harder to get right too.

You tell what I am also saying. "A great majority of the script are secured months before the press is told." So I think they have a finished script now.

"It was announced on February 16, 2006 that Eva Green would play the part" Eva Green the leading lady of CR, was announced after the film starts! I remember lots of late-announcements in 007 films. They are different in this manner.

"On 6 October 2005, Martin Campbell confirmed that Casino Royale would film in the Bahamas and "maybe Italy"." Just 3 months to shooting and he says "maybe"!

I am not saying that it is easy. But they have time to have the film ready in 2010 Nov.

Who said they have a finished script?

FORGET the dates of press releases. That is nothing but a historical archive of - er - press releases, not the production pattern of a film series.

Yes a director could well say "maybe Italy" three months before shooting. He is keeping details under his hat and - I hate to say - being deliberately vague about production details that give things away AND have not been finalised yet. Producers do it all the time. Even Michael Wilson does it (sort of) when he claims Eon are taking a break from Bond only a month later for a writers announcement to do the rounds. Though it is only that for now to be fair.

You said "A great majority of the cast and crew are secured months before the press is told." So I say so can be the script. Or just hope.

[bill007]

I think people are reaching into hammerspace and coming up with ideas to satisfy their need to have a film once every two years. Does it really matter if we get it in 2010 or 2011?

No, no it doesn't matter.

True. True. However, the older one gets, and as time begins to fly by with increasingly exponential measures, one ponders the reality of being around at the next Bond release.

There were five December realeases up to TMWTGG (1974). Then came the Summer realeses. A December release again with TND (1997). Following up with the November releases up through QoS.

Not enough to go to Ladbrokes with, I'm sure. But, at my age, hope remains ever present for a December release of 23-D.

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[Tybre]

I think it's time to start this rumour and see how quickly it disseminates.

Bond 23-D

Says it all, really.

Oh God...

[MrDraco]

I dont really care how long it takes I just want this winning streak of good Bond movies to continue...Quantum was great but Casino was better... I just hope we can keep it going even if its may 2011..or whatever

[DaveBond21]

I'm so glad I saved my 3-D glasses from Jaws 3.

Everyone else stamped on theirs when they left the theater.


Now who looks dumb? Eh? Eh?