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[The Ghost Who Walks]

I mostly like this film. Not a classic, but probably Brosnan's best, with his best performance as 007. Would have benfitted from an unhappy ending and completely omitting Christmas Jones from the screenplay.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Why does everyone hate TWINE?,

Because it's just awful.I liked the film's title and going in, the women.The PTS is excellent too but...ah, here's a good recap for you:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/4748

[DamnCoffee]

First off... The opening action sequence is just fantastic. It’s longer than usual, but it’s really something. It does everything that a Bond action sequence is supposed to. It goes a billion miles an hour faster than it’s supposed to. The gimmick stuff is cool as hell. The ridiculous, no human could do that, stuff rocks. It’s propulsive. Kills lots of people, wrecks lots of property, sexist remarks and it gets your blood pumping.
It’s a shame that it never gets any better.

My thoughts exactly!


and LMFAO...

Sean Connery’s Bond would have ed her, and killed her the second he felt she turned.... and he never would have trusted her.

George Lazenby’s Bond would have ed her, and killed her by ripping out her throat while in the chair.

Roger Moore’s Bond would have ed her, noticed that the parachute dudes were never firing at her, then pushed her off the cliff.... while saying something like, “Bottoms up”

Timothy Dalton’s Bond would have slapped her silly, ed her and would have left her crying for more.

So true.

The Brosnan Bond has no memory, no history... When he’s asked if he’s ever lost someone he loves... You can tell he doesn’t remember Diana Rigg. Ok... he’s hiding his emotions from her... let him hug her, but let’s see his eyes and hear an echo of ‘We’ve got alllllll.... the tiiiiiime.... in the worrrrllllld’ in the soundtrack. Just a touch... Not a sledgehammer of it. Just a bit.

That's a very good point actually. I wouldn've loved to see that.

[dee-bee-five]

I like TWINE as well. Much better than that so called "masterpiece" QOS.

Mind you, I`d put any of the Brosnan Bond films over QOS.

I like TWINE, too. I think it's by far the best of the Brosnan Bonds. But it's nowhere near as good as QoS, which I happen to believe is a masterpiece (of the Bond series, that is).

All of which proves opinions are like bum holes. We've all got one. It's all subjective.

Why does everyone hate TWINE?,

Because it's just awful.I liked the film's title and going in, the women.The PTS is excellent too but...ah, here's a good recap for you:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/4748

Oh, God, every time TWINE is discussed, this tired old review gets trotted out. Some people would have us believe TWINE received no positive reviews, which is so not true...

[DamnCoffee]

Just reading the Die Another Day review from aint it cool, now. "The new James Bond movie is the closest we’ll have seen to a great BOND film since ON HER MAJESTY’S SECRET SERVICE or FOR YOUR EYES ONLY."

[bond4life]

a useless ski scene when they could have brough bond to elektra mansion and talk about her life. Bond didnt care that he was betrayed. He should have attacked her when he did. He moves on to Jones too easily. The caviar scene is useless and the submarine one. The fights are so fake. It's like a soap opera

[00Jaws]

it's just I've noticed that of all the Brosnan movies, it's the one everyone seems to have the most problems with.

Isn't that DAD?!!
I enjoy it the most out of all four Brosnan Bonds.

[MkB]

In GoldenEye, Bruce Feirstein made [M] look like this really uptight, hard drinking bitch, lesbian which was really interesting.

Eh?

Did I miss some scenes from GoldenEye, or is it that women who have a bourbon are "hard-drinking", and if they dress in a suit they are "lesbians"?

[Mr_Wint]

I think TWINE is Brosnan's best Bondfilm for sure. The films feels richer in terms of story, sets, characters and locations compared to GE/TND or DAD. Brosnan's character comes off less like John McClane and more like traditional Bond. More womanising, more one-liners and less machine-guns, which is good. And Sophie Marceau is terrific.

Bond didnt care that he was betrayed.

The best thing about the whole film is the way Bond handle the whole betrayal from Elektra; Calm, collected and all business. We didn't get enough of that in the Brosnan era.

[Dekard77]

I think TWINE is Brosnan's best Bondfilm for sure. The films feels richer in terms of story, sets, characters and locations compared to GE/TND or DAD. Brosnan's character comes off less like John McClane and more like traditional Bond. More womanising, more one-liners and less machine-guns, which is good. And Sophie Marceau is terrific.

Bond didnt care that he was betrayed.

The best thing about the whole film is the way Bond handle the whole betrayal from Elektra; Calm, collected and all business. We didn't get enough of that in the Brosnan era.

He did take it personally. Especially the scene where he kisses her after she is killed . Worst part is having M around. I feel that Dalton would have been much better with a scene like that.

[DR76]

The best thing about the whole film is the way Bond handle the whole betrayal from Elektra; Calm, collected and all business. We didn't get enough of that in the Brosnan era.

I saw plenty of that in the Brosnan era. But that doesn't mean that Bond always had to act like an emotionless automotan.

He did take it personally. Especially the scene where he kisses her after she is killed . Worst part is having M around. I feel that Dalton would have been much better with a scene like that.

I think that Dalton would have done the scene in a DIFFERENT way, not better. I don't believe that every actor has to portray that scene one way.

Because it's just awful.I liked the film's title and going in, the women.The PTS is excellent too but...ah, here's a good recap for you:

Are you speaking for everyone or yourself?

Edited by DR76, 07 June 2009 - 06:58 PM.

[Tybre]

I loved the fact that M didn't just sit about MI6 waiting for Bond to call in and update her. Say what you want about the things that Michael and Barbara as well as Purvis and Wade have done with the franchise over the last fifteen years or so, but they have allowed Judi Dench to do wonderful things with that character and given her some wonderful scenes to act in. I love the notion that the events of the plot are pretty much M's fault.

See. This is what I don't like about it.

The thought of M being kidnapped is a brilliant idea. It's just that Judi's M (Tomorrow Never Dies - Die Another Day) Is a poorly written character. It's only in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace that the character was actually interesting. In GoldenEye, Bruce Feirstein made her look like this really uptight, hard drinking bitch, lesbian which was really interesting. This completely dissapeared with the rest of the Brosnan films. In fact, I see her in the Brosnan films as one of the worst ever characters in the franchise.

My sentiments exactly.

[danslittlefinger]

In GoldenEye, Bruce Feirstein made [M] look like this really uptight, hard drinking bitch, lesbian which was really interesting.

Eh?

Did I miss some scenes from GoldenEye, or is it that women who have a bourbon are "hard-drinking", and if they dress in a suit they are "lesbians"?

I agree MkB.
Umm...where does the tag "lesbian" come into this...a little unneccessary tbh....

[DamnCoffee]

Well put it this way, the grey hair, the hair style, the hard attitude really doesn't make her look straight. She looks like a lesbian.

You really can't imagine her having a husband. Whereas the M in The World is not Enough you can.

[danslittlefinger]

Well put it this way, the grey hair, the hair style, the hard attitude really doesn't make her look straight. She looks like a lesbian.

You really can't imagine her having a husband. Whereas the M in The World is not Enough you can.

M played a very strong boss that's all.
The lesbian profiling angle didnt even come into it in my mind.
But that's me.

[MkB]

Well put it this way, the grey hair, the hair style, the hard attitude really doesn't make her look straight. She looks like a lesbian.

You really can't imagine her having a husband.

LOL, Mharkin007, seriously!
You wouldn't believe all straight women are sensitive sweethearts who like flowers and could kill for Jimmy Choo shoes, would you?!?
Dame Judi played a strong / stern boss, whose plans are not exactly to offer tea and cucumber sandwiches to her men, while giggling about their last mission and blushing if they compliment her about the new curtains in her office.
And some men do fall for these hard-drinking, short-haired, hard women!

That said, about TWINE, I agree the kidnapping of M was both a great idea and poorly executed, which was actually exactly the same in the Colonel Sun novel (good idea, but the Villain's plot was so nonsensical in its execution that it ruined it)

[danslittlefinger]

Well put it this way, the grey hair, the hair style, the hard attitude really doesn't make her look straight. She looks like a lesbian.

You really can't imagine her having a husband.

LOL, Mharkin007, seriously!
You wouldn't believe all straight women are sensitive sweethearts who like flowers and could kill for Jimmy Choo shoes, would you?!?
Dame Judi played a strong / stern boss, whose plans are not exactly to offer tea and cucumber sandwiches to her men, while giggling about their last mission and blusing if they compliment her about the new curtains in her office.
And some men do fall for these hard-drinking, short-haired, hard women!

That said, about TWINE, I agree the kidnapping of M was both a great idea and poorly executed, which was actually exactly the same in the Colonel Sun novel (good idea, but the Villain's plot was so nonsensical in its execution that it ruined it)

Oh I don't know, you can be strong as and still serve these...just serve them like they do on British Rail, (bloody throw them in your lap they do) and say "that'll be four pound fifty love"..

[A Kristatos]

I like TWINE! I suppose that' why everyone hates me!
There are some disappointing moments (the climax in Istanbul could have been sooooo much better, etc.), but Sophie Marceau rocks and the storyline, despite some flaws, is smart and original.

Basically what MkB said.

Elektra King is one of the best femme fetals of the series, TWINE has a great plot twist in the middle, and it delves into Bond's psyche more than in any other Brosnan movie. And seeing M in a revenge role and kidnapped to boot was a nice change of pace. Renard was also a solid villian as well.

Now the weaknesses are there. The over reliance on action scenes, particularly two scenes that did not advance the plot at all, and one (the PTS) that went on way too long. And yes, Denise Richards certainly was not one of the best actors to grace a Bond film, but she was still very pretty to look at while not being the worst of the worst.

So after analyzing all of TWINE's strengths and weaknesses, it still ranks as a solid top 10 Bond film, and is the best of the Brosnan's Bonds by far. I always will hold this film high on my list.

I like TWINE as well. Much better than that so called "masterpiece" QOS.

Mind you, I`d put any of the Brosnan Bond films over QOS.

Ehhhh, no!

[mccartney007]

It's a bland ogre of a James Bond film with none of the charm.

[Tybre]

Just reading the Die Another Day review from aint it cool, now. "The new James Bond movie is the closest we’ll have seen to a great BOND film since ON HER MAJESTY’S SECRET SERVICE or FOR YOUR EYES ONLY."

lol

It's a bland ogre of a James Bond film with none of the charm.

Here here!

[Auric64]

Personally, I think it would have been better had the actresses swapped roles. Have Marceau play the nuclear fission expert, (with a more believable name that would suit how she played the character) and have Richards play King.

This way, Marceau would have at least been more believable, (than Richards was) and Richards more believable as a much younger, scheming woman, intent on revenge against her father, along with her desire to see her scheme work financially for her.

Anyone agree?

[Dekard77]

Personally, I think it would have been better had the actresses swapped roles. Have Marceau play the nuclear fission expert, (with a more believable name that would suit how she played the character) and have Richards play King.

This way, Marceau would have at least been more believable, (than Richards was) and Richards more believable as a much younger, scheming woman, intent on revenge against her father, along with her desire to see her scheme work financially for her.

Anyone agree?

Yes !!!!!!!!!!!! I made the same observation. Plus the film does feel a bit rushed. I was hoping a lot of good things from this movie. Never materialised though.

[Manticore]

Why does everyone hate TWINE?

Not everyone...

[dee-bee-five]

In GoldenEye, Bruce Feirstein made [M] look like this really uptight, hard drinking bitch, lesbian which was really interesting.

Eh?

Did I miss some scenes from GoldenEye, or is it that women who have a bourbon are "hard-drinking", and if they dress in a suit they are "lesbians"?

Quite. There are some very odd notions about gay people on this site. Now, if you'll excuse me I really must get back to my flower arranging...

[The Ghost Who Walks]

Personally, I think it would have been better had the actresses swapped roles. Have Marceau play the nuclear fission expert, (with a more believable name that would suit how she played the character) and have Richards play King.

This way, Marceau would have at least been more believable, (than Richards was) and Richards more believable as a much younger, scheming woman, intent on revenge against her father, along with her desire to see her scheme work financially for her.

Anyone agree?

No, not really. Richards would likely have made the Elektra character, the most important figure of the movie, a complete joke. She comes from the Pamela Anderson school of acting with your breasts, and would probably not have been able to handle such a (fairly) complex role.

[00Twelve]

Quite. There are some very odd notions about gay people on this site. Now, if you'll excuse me I really must get back to my flower arranging...

Don't forget to feed Blanche, your persian cat, before attending to your satin curtains.

[dee-bee-five]

Quite. There are some very odd notions about gay people on this site. Now, if you'll excuse me I really must get back to my flower arranging...

Don't forget to feed Blanche, your persian cat, before attending to your satin curtains.

Only after tending to my moustache and ironing my skin tight, knacker-revealing jeans of course...

[Safari Suit]

it's fairly staggering that the Bond series was still chucking in groansome OCTOPUSSY-esque Q scenes as recently as 1999

Presumably this is because they knew this would be the last time they could really do one with the "real" Q, despite their claims to the contrary.

I think fans tend to respond negatively to Christmas for the same reason they respond negatively to Stacey Sutton in AVTAK, another Bond girl who is regularly listed as "worst Bond girl" alongside Richard's character. My theory is that most people expect Bond girls to either be eye candy or "Bond's equal", and Christmas Jones and Stacey Sutton don't fit into either category.

Tanya Roberts and Denise Richards not eye candy? Really? Truth be told I've never been all that bothered about Richards but she's clearly a beautiful woman and many guys out there would disagree with your assessment here I would think.

Although it occurs to me that I might be misunderstanding you and that you mean that Stutton and Jones go beyond just being "eye candy" as characters, without reaching "Bond's equal" status. If so, interesting point.

Why does everyone hate TWINE?,

Because it's just awful.I liked the film's title and going in, the women.The PTS is excellent too but...ah, here's a good recap for you:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/4748

Oh, God, every time TWINE is discussed, this tired old review gets trotted out. Some people would have us believe TWINE received no positive reviews, which is so not true...

I quite agree, and I'm not even a TWINE guy. I can understand how you could find that review cathartic if you agree with it, but does anyone actually think it's a well written review.

[jamie00007]

I watched it again last night. Its actually lost a few points with me from the last viewing. The action scenes were so dull and many of the Bond/Elektra scenes were like something out of a daytime soapie.

Edited by jamie00007, 09 June 2009 - 05:04 AM.

[Jim]

Personally, I think it would have been better had the actresses swapped roles. Have Marceau play the nuclear fission expert, (with a more believable name that would suit how she played the character) and have Richards play King.

This way, Marceau would have at least been more believable, (than Richards was) and Richards more believable as a much younger, scheming woman, intent on revenge against her father, along with her desire to see her scheme work financially for her.

Anyone agree?

No, not really. Richards would likely have made the Elektra character, the most important figure of the movie, a complete joke. She comes from the Pamela Anderson school of acting with your breasts, and would probably not have been able to handle such a (fairly) complex role.

Yes, but at least one would have lowered one's expectations and anticipated that she would have been dreadful, rather than so terribly disappointed that the actress cast turned in a shocker.