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[Nicolas Suszczyk]

It went so quickly that I couldn't notice it very well, but if my eyes don't decieve myself, I'm pretty sure I've seen him in a suit. I miss Pierce's gunbarrel (I even miss Casino Royale's gunbarrel compared to this one).

I think Bond 23's title should be "Never Say Forster nor MK12 Again"

[BlackFire]

Is this the music of the GB? I haven't seen the movie.

Edited by BlackFire, 04 November 2008 - 08:04 PM.

[Harmsway]

Is this the music of the GB? I haven't seen the movie.

Nah, that was a pre-existing composition. It's not Arnold's. Just look at the date of the video.

[DamnCoffee]

Nope that isn't it.

It can be heard near the end of the first part of Film 2008.

[EyesOnly]

Nope that isn't it.

It can be heard near the end of the first part of Film 2008.

???

Edited by EyesOnly, 05 November 2008 - 06:35 AM.

[SomeBloke]

From what I gathered at my viewing earlier today.

Fast White dots move left to right. Enter Craig stage right, walking pretty quickly, fires shot, blood dribbles down, gunbarrel moves, Craig appears to walk off stage left.

The music is Very Very similar to the FRWL Gunbarrel, only with a proper orchestra and High brass.

If you hear the 'Da-Da-Daaaa' at the end of the trailer, it's That variation, but it's a sweet bond theme when you're in a cinema.

[Mr. Somerset]

From what I gathered at my viewing earlier today.

Fast White dots move left to right. Enter Craig stage right, walking pretty quickly, fires shot, blood dribbles down, gunbarrel moves, Craig appears to walk off stage left.

The music is Very Very similar to the FRWL Gunbarrel, only with a proper orchestra and High brass.

If you hear the 'Da-Da-Daaaa' at the end of the trailer, it's That variation, but it's a sweet bond theme when you're in a cinema.

Cool. So Arnold didn't change music cues like on TND and TWINE? I loathed those renditions. I am now finally looking forward to the gunbarrel. Hope is not lost.

[marktmurphy]

Cool. So Arnold didn't change music cues like on TND and TWINE? I loathed those renditions. I am now finally looking forward to the gunbarrel. Hope is not lost.

Yes, it's a straight version of the gunbarrel music (Da-da!-Vamp-guitar) which simply keeps going into a full version of the Bond tune as the credits roll.

[Mr. Somerset]

Cool. So Arnold didn't change music cues like on TND and TWINE? I loathed those renditions. I am now finally looking forward to the gunbarrel. Hope is not lost.

Yes, it's a straight version of the gunbarrel music (Da-da!-Vamp-guitar) which simply keeps going into a full version of the Bond tune as the credits roll.

Knowing that makes my day. If I only didn't have to wait another week plus........

[coco1997]

So we get the opening hits? I thought the Bond music started during the last scene of the film (with Bond walking away from M) and just continued on over the gunbarrel sequence?

[marktmurphy]

So we get the opening hits? I thought the Bond music started during the last scene of the film (with Bond walking away from M) and just continued on over the gunbarrel sequence?

I don't remember any Bond theme before it starts. White dots and fanfare is what you get.

[coco1997]

Ah. Thanks!

[Skudor]

I was a bit shocked the first time I saw it - it's HUGE. Not a great fan of Craig's strutting in general, and his walk in the GB is no exception to that. But I have to say that the second time I watched it I really didn't care - it's fine really. What comes before the GB is still fantastic (all 106 minutes of it).

[SomeBloke]

The GB sends you off thinking, "Yes, Bond Is BACK!"

[Leon]

So we get the opening hits? I thought the Bond music started during the last scene of the film (with Bond walking away from M) and just continued on over the gunbarrel sequence?

I don't remember any Bond theme before it starts. White dots and fanfare is what you get.

Yes, there is some sombre score playing which goes as Bond walks off the screen and we see the necklace lying in the snow then it fades to black..waits a moment, then the classic, brash Bond theme kicks off with the white dots. The gunbarrel design is the same general shape of what we had with Brosnan only the effects are different, not the closely spaced rifling of the Casino Royale gunbarrel design. It's a more matt coloured design with minimal sheen as it moves.

[CaptainPower]

Yep Bond does walk off stage left after firing, but only after the gunbarrel has formed the Q in "Quantum", so it's easy to miss unless your looking for it.

[sharpshooter]

Yep Bond does walk off stage left after firing, but only after the gunbarrel has formed the Q in "Quantum", so it's easy to miss unless your looking for it.

Gotcha. I'll keep my eyes peeled for it.

[thecasinoroyale]

It was great to see Craig in an official 'Gunbarrel', but it was clearly a move to end the film, not open it.

It was faster than usual and had a nifty tweak to pull out into the Q from Quantum, with ok-ish blood and Craig walking off afterwards.

I think for the future Bond films we could use this again, but a little slower so we ease into the opening of the film, not rushing on a high to end it.

The walk was very Dalton IMO.


Great stuff.

[Aces High]

Dont like the walk off bit though..just freeze after the shot please.Oh & next time please have it at the start.

[tim partridge]

I was a bit shocked the first time I saw it - it's HUGE.

THANKYOU.

[kneelbeforezod]

It really does make Craig's performance look awkward, and I am curious to know how they choreographed the walk-on. Due to the very nature of the GB's size, there isn't much room for Craig to strut, so instead he seems to walk a shorter distance, but rolls his shoulders to compensate for his lack of movement, and it unintentionally makes him walk like a Chav.

This is an incredibly personal response, I can't imagine anyone else feeling like this. He definitely walks with purpose and then fires the shot perfectly, and doesn't look like he's awkwardly trying to hold a pose either.

The CGI blood is just an animated, 2D pale shape that goes over the top. There's no reflection or shading to the blood ala CR.

Exactly, that's why I liked it. I hate the way in last few films they kepy feeling the need to "modernise" the gunbarrel with 3D blood, CG bullets... all nonsense, this is just a simple bold design, as it should be.

[Zorin Industries]

It was awful. It was like they got this new actor David Craig and thought "we can't CGI his face onto Roger's classic LIVE AND LET DIE twist and turn" so we're going to have to ruin it for all the fans and film a dirty great new one with different cameras and editing equipment. Call that a reboot?!

[Dekard77]

DC wears a tie not a bow tie in the GB sequence. His walk is similar to TD and love the new look of the GB. It's not the CGI reflections we saw in Brosnan movies it's more of a retro style and its stylish. I never expected to see it all it's very clear at the end of movie Bond is Back.I am happy they are not using Klienman as you need to keep the look of the film fresh.
What I hated was Arnold's music in this film. Certian themes went off well but the rest sounded like leftovers from TWINE.

[Aris Kristatos]

The GB sends you off thinking, "Yes, Bond Is BACK!"

Possibly, but I personally thought Bond was back at the end of Casino Royale after he'd shot Mr, White in the leg and introduced himself as Bond, James Bond!

I understand the idea of re-inventing the character but after the ending of Casino Royale I was expecting him to be a bit more classic Bond if you will.

At the time I really didnt like it at the end now my thoughts are a bit more I hope putting it at the end has some sort of significance to the next film.

I dont know part of me thinks its Bond tradition to start the film and why change that, so they re-booted the series they still started Casino Royale that way but the other part thinks what with QoS leading directly on the film as such doesnt really have a start point.

Edited by Aris Kristatos, 06 November 2008 - 04:28 PM.

[EyesOnly]

I was a bit shocked the first time I saw it - it's HUGE.

It can't be any bigger than Brosnan's third Gunbarrel in TWINE. That was unusually large, and even then it didn't bother me. So if Craig's Gunbarrel looks like that, no biggie.

[DamnCoffee]

I've managed to find two low quality pictures of the gunbarrel online. I can't upload them unless the mods say I can.

[Jim]

I've managed to find two low quality pictures of the gunbarrel online. I can't upload them unless the mods say I can.

Have a guess.

[dchantry]

The only reason that the gun barrel is at the end is that it signifies that Bond is now Bond as we know him. All through the film M is treating him as an outcast and Bond has one thing on his mind, getting to Vespa's algerian boyfriend and closing off that chapter of what has happened.
Once that's done, he's Bond and ready for moving on.
As they say, he's never been away so now he's the Bond we know and not the renegade.
You can guarantee that from the next film the GB will be back at the beginning.

One thing that annoyed me is that Arnolds soundtrack was so lapse in Bond theme references (although he has had a tendancy to make a hash of it in some of the Brosnan films) that when it does appear, it's not on the CD soundtrack at all.

[sharpshooter]

Craig's walk is very rigid and the whole thing is very fast. As soon as Bond fires, the blood drops immediately as a thick column down the middle, covering Craig's stance, then the sides are covered thereafter. It's over before you know it. It's not bad.

[tim partridge]

I still cannot get past the chavvy shoulder roll. Yuck.

If this was MK12's doing I think they should stick to directing animated computer graphics and not actors.