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[Righty007]

I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere but I can't find it.

I know the gun barrel comes at the end but the real question is: Is the gun barrel the same design as in Casino Royale or does it look more like the traditional one?

[YouKnowTheName]

Traditional, white dots and all.

[Captain Tightpants]

Traditional, white dots and all.

I think he means the actual, physical gun barrel.

And no, I'm pretty sure it's not one with twenty-eight riflings again.

[Righty007]

So, the white dots go to the right and then Craig walks to the center and shoots?

Does the physical design look more like the Brosnan era design?

[Harmsway]

I know the gun barrel comes at the end but the real question is: Is the gun barrel the same design as in Casino Royale or does it look more like the traditional one?

Apparently (from a discussion at the MI6 forums), it closely resembles this mock-up featuring the gunbarrel from the AWTD music video (which was also designed by MK12). But apparently in the real thing it's a little less "white" towards the center, so the circle of white Bond stands in is more clearly defined from the rest of the gunbarrel.

Quantum of Solace Gunbarrel Mock-Up

So it's more tradition than the one in CASINO ROYALE, but it's still not exactly like the Binder/Kleinman designs. Something new.

[Righty007]

Thank you.

What's the context of the gun barrel? How goes it happen? Who's pointing the gun?

[Harmsway]

What's the context of the gun barrel? How goes it happen? Who's pointing the gun?

Well, the final scene rolls. Bond and M chat... Bond walks away, dropping the Algerian loveknot in the snow. We FADE OUT, and then the gunbarrel dots run across the screen and it kicks off as you'd expect it to (though apparently Craig's walk is really aggressive, as if he's walking in to take the shot from the first minute he appears). The blood then drips on screen, and the gunbarrel circle slowly gets smaller and smaller until it becomes the O in QUANTUM OF SOLACE during the end credits title card.

So no context within the story, and no-one really pointing a gun. Just a visual design that closes out the film and segues into the end credits.

[tim partridge]

The gunbarrel has NO LEAVES- it's literally just a white dot- which just makes it look awkward, and it's HUUUUGE. It's not a dot within the centre of the frame with black surrounding it, but is nearly as high as the actual frame, with a little black width on either side. It really does make Craig's performance look awkward, and I am curious to know how they choreographed the walk-on. Due to the very nature of the GB's size, there isn't much room for Craig to strut, so instead he seems to walk a shorter distance, but rolls his shoulders to compensate for his lack of movement, and it unintentionally makes him walk like a Chav.

BTW- as soon as the GB finishes, the words QUANTUM OF SOLACE appear next to the GB, which is just lame beyond belief.

The CGI blood is just an animated, 2D pale shape that goes over the top. There's no reflection or shading to the blood ala CR.

Edited by tim partridge, 04 November 2008 - 01:04 AM.

[sharpshooter]

Quantum of Solace Gunbarrel Mock-Up

That's not too bad. Actually, I like it quite a bit. The whiteness in the centre is definitely something new. I'm sure the blood would contrast well with it. I'm looking forward to seeing this a lot.

[marktmurphy]

We FADE OUT, and then the gunbarrel dots run across the screen and it kicks off as you'd expect it to (though apparently Craig's walk is really aggressive

I'd call it 'grumpy' or 'sullen'! It's quite funny

The blood then drips on screen, and the gunbarrel circle slowly gets smaller and smaller until it becomes the O in QUANTUM OF SOLACE during the end credits title card.

And then, I think, I'm pretty sure Craig becomes the first Bond to walk out, stage left. Pretty sure I remember that, anyway.
It is quite big on screen- his walk doesn't take long. Arnold's music is a bit too shrill.

[sharpshooter]

He walks off stage left?

This gunbarrel gets more experimental all the time. I for one think it is bold and quite brilliant.

[DamnCoffee]

Craig definately walks in from Stage right. That I can confirm.

[marktmurphy]

He does, but then I thought I remembered him walking out after he's shot at the camera once the circle has become part of the title.

[DamnCoffee]

Oh! I didn't notice that! He actually walks off screen!?

[CaptainPower]

I've seen it 3 times now and I've never noticed him walking off screen

I'm seeing it again in about an hour, I'll make sure to look out for it

[sharpshooter]

It seems this film will require repeat viewings to pick over these little details. Fine by me.

[marktmurphy]

I've seen it 3 times now and I've never noticed him walking off screen

I'm seeing it again in about an hour, I'll make sure to look out for it

Well, bear in mind that I might be wrong

[sorking]

The gunbarrel has NO LEAVES- it's literally just a white dot-

Actually does have the spiral grooves. It's not even close to being 'just a white dot'.

which just makes it look awkward, and it's HUUUUGE. It's not a dot within the centre of the frame with black surrounding it, but is nearly as high as the actual frame, with a little black width on either side.

Not accurate either. You may need to check the projection settings at your local cinema...

BTW- as soon as the GB finishes, the words QUANTUM OF SOLACE appear next to the GB, which is just lame beyond belief.

It doesn't appear next to it, the gunbarrel's centre becomes the Q in the movie's title.

Are you sure you saw the movie?!

[tim partridge]

The gunbarrel has NO LEAVES- it's literally just a white dot-

Actually does have the spiral grooves. It's not even close to being 'just a white dot'.

which just makes it look awkward, and it's HUUUUGE. It's not a dot within the centre of the frame with black surrounding it, but is nearly as high as the actual frame, with a little black width on either side.

Not accurate either. You may need to check the projection settings at your local cinema...

BTW- as soon as the GB finishes, the words QUANTUM OF SOLACE appear next to the GB, which is just lame beyond belief.

It doesn't appear next to it, the gunbarrel's centre becomes the Q in the movie's title.

Are you sure you saw the movie?!

Apologies but I really do not recall the spiral grooves, but I am not doubting you either. They definitely weren't anywhere near as pronounced as the CG gunbarrel from the Brosnan era or CR. Seemed very very black, and I am pretty sure that the white dot Bond walks in IS enormous, at least compared to any version of it seen before. However, I am going totally off memory here, and it all happened very quickly.

I will stand by my Chav comment though- watch those shoulders ROLL!! Maybe they got the work experience boy to direct it. The choreography is so off. The smaller circle from the earlier films allowed Bond the leg room required to strut comfortably. Here he's having to compensate by using his shoulders. Licence to Kill? More like an ASBO.

[PPK_19]

Don't exaggerate Partridge, there was no such Chav shoulder roll. Though i have to admit Craig basically sprinted on to the set before firing the shot.

[dee-bee-five]

The gunbarrel has NO LEAVES- it's literally just a white dot-

Actually does have the spiral grooves. It's not even close to being 'just a white dot'.

which just makes it look awkward, and it's HUUUUGE. It's not a dot within the centre of the frame with black surrounding it, but is nearly as high as the actual frame, with a little black width on either side.

Not accurate either. You may need to check the projection settings at your local cinema...

BTW- as soon as the GB finishes, the words QUANTUM OF SOLACE appear next to the GB, which is just lame beyond belief.

It doesn't appear next to it, the gunbarrel's centre becomes the Q in the movie's title.

Are you sure you saw the movie?!

Apologies but I really do not recall the spiral grooves, but I am not doubting you either. They definitely weren't anywhere near as pronounced as the CG gunbarrel from the Brosnan era or CR. Seemed very very black, and I am pretty sure that the white dot Bond walks in IS enormous, at least compared to any version of it seen before. However, I am going totally off memory here, and it all happened very quickly.

I will stand by my Chav comment though- watch those shoulders ROLL!! Maybe they got the work experience boy to direct it. The choreography is so off. The smaller circle from the earlier films allowed Bond the leg room required to strut comfortably. Here he's having to compensate by using his shoulders. Licence to Kill? More like an ASBO.

Exaggerating just a tad, aren't we...?

[Col. Sun]

Don't exaggerate Partridge, there was no such Chav shoulder roll. Though i have to admit Craig basically sprinted on to the set before firing the shot.

Yep Criag walks fast, but I really liked it because it was with so much purpose and seemed less stagey than a slower walk.

His turn and fire is great IMO. Again, strong and powerful.

As for the GB; it is NOT a great big white dot filling the screen as someone here claims. I've seen the film twice and the GB is well within the 2.35 wide screen widescreen ratio.

[PPK_19]

Don't exaggerate Partridge, there was no such Chav shoulder roll. Though i have to admit Craig basically sprinted on to the set before firing the shot.

Yep Criag walks fast, but I really liked it because it was with so much purpose and seemed less stagey than a slower walk.

His turn and fire is great IMO. Again, strong and powerful.

As for the GB; it is NOT a great big white dot filling the screen as someone here claims. I've seen the film twice and the GB is well within the 2.35 wide screen widescreen ratio.

Very true Col. Sun, it is NOT a huge white dot, its normal size. And no CGI bullet like in DAD lol, that pissed me right off.

[tim partridge]

I never said the dot goes beyond the 2.35:1 frame. It did seem much much bigger than any previous GB dot from a Bond movie.

Anyway, judge for yourselves- it's online:
http://uk.youtube.co...feature=related

[Col. Sun]

I never said the dot goes beyond the 2.35:1 frame. It did seem much much bigger than any previous GB dot from a Bond movie.

Anyway, judge for yourselves- it's online:
http://uk.youtube.co...feature=related

U trying to be witty?

[PPK_19]

I never said the dot goes beyond the 2.35:1 frame. It did seem much much bigger than any previous GB dot from a Bond movie.

Anyway, judge for yourselves- it's online:
http://uk.youtube.co...feature=related

Not really necessary partridge, we all know what a chav looks like.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

I didn't like it. The blood is awful

[TheHildebrandRarity]

They are all wrong, i'll tell you,

Although I wasn't expecting the GB, its very similar to the one used in the coke add zero zero 7. The music sounded similar to the roger moore TMWTGG. Also I think the actual gunbarrel had a tint of blue (similar to the on in AWTD). DC walks very fast in it, its a very short gunbarrel like in the early Connery films.

I've only seen the film once, but thats what I remember.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

DC walks very fast in it, its a very short gunbarrel like in the early Connery films.

Yep. The pose reminded me to the Connery/Bob Simmons one. BTW, did someone noticed that he isn't wearing the tux?

[DamnCoffee]

I thought he was wearing a tux!