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[Scamp]

Mario, his comparison to DAD is insignificant in the scheme of things and anyway, who is to say that villains don't have at least a few common traits!

It's a Bond film at the end of the day and that is all that matters.

And IF Mr Craig does read this...You did a brilliant job, mate!

[Mister E]

Meh. I have no idea who Graham Rye is, and nor do I care. He's entitled to his own opinion, butit means nothing to me.

Why can't we have more sensible posts like this ? Who the is Graham Rye ?

[DLibrasnow]

However, NOW when it turns out that Graham Rye did not like it I'm actually a little bit curious. He has said so many stupid things before (in my opinion) and maybe this is just the film that I've been waiting for

I haven't read the review but the fact that Rye did not like it is only a good thing as far as I am concerned. When Rye mouthed off against Higson's Young Bond series I decided that his views were not worthy of my taking the time to read them.

[Virgo Lupin]

However, NOW when it turns out that Graham Rye did not like it I'm actually a little bit curious. He has said so many stupid things before (in my opinion) and maybe this is just the film that I've been waiting for

I haven't read the review but the fact that Rye did not like it is only a good thing as far as I am concerned. When Rye mouthed off against Higson's Young Bond series I decided that his views were not worthy of my taking the time to read them.

You haven't read Rye's review because he dared to say something bad about the banal Young Bond series!!! What kind of prick are you? Wake up man, sorry - wake up little boy! In the real world we adults debate every opinion offered. Seldom have a I read such an ignorant and petulant post.

[mario007]

Thanks Scamp! ... good to read that you enjoyed the movie. I have a good feeling that I am going to like this movie ... I love everybond movie for what it is ... non-generic ones especially, for example; TMWGG. There is something weird and off center about it that I love!

I did not want to see CR2 anyway and this is not sour grapes. After, I watched CR in the theater ... I thouhgt there was someting off about it. The first thing that came to mind is there should have been more action, the thrid act was limp! (I have been a bond fanatic since 1989). The second half of the film did not live up to its full potential. That is why I am skeptical about Graham's 10/10 rating. Say what you will about DAD it was entertaining from start to finish! Just for your reference, my top three bonds would be; TLD, OHMSS & OP.

[Captain Tightpants]

Meh. I have no idea who Graham Rye is, and nor do I care. He's entitled to his own opinion, butit means nothing to me.

Why can't we have more sensible posts like this ? Who the is Graham Rye ?

I'll tell you who he is: Graham Rye is a series of zeroes and ones arranged on my computer screen. When I close the browser window, he goes away.

[Sir James Moloney]

However, NOW when it turns out that Graham Rye did not like it I'm actually a little bit curious. He has said so many stupid things before (in my opinion) and maybe this is just the film that I've been waiting for

I haven't read the review but the fact that Rye did not like it is only a good thing as far as I am concerned. When Rye mouthed off against Higson's Young Bond series I decided that his views were not worthy of my taking the time to read them.

You haven't read Rye's review because he dared to say something bad about the banal Young Bond series!!! What kind of prick are you? Wake up man, sorry - wake up little boy! In the real world we adults debate every opinion offered. Seldom have a I read such an ignorant and petulant post.

Let me get this straight...you registered at Cbn 4 days ago and you´re calling DLibrasnow a little boy and petulant?!? That´s funny...wait...no it´s not is it?

[The Dove]

Let's Get Ready To Rumble!!! LOL

[Sir James Moloney]

Let's Get Ready To Rumble!!! LOL

LOL, yeah, where´s the popcorn?

[Publius]

1 out of 10? Yeah, I'm sure it's that bad.

[tdalton]

I've got to admit that all of these negative reviews have me a bit concerned about QUANTUM OF SOLACE. I'll admit that I have not read (nor will read until after I see the film) this review for the sole reason that it's said to be very heavy on the spoilers, and I don't know if the issue that concerns me the most is listed in the review, but what concerns me the most is all the talk about the hand-held, "Bourne-style" camera work. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing just because it's something that's used in the Bourne franchise (I'm all for imitating successful elements from other film franchises if they'll help the quality of the films), but I just don't like that kind of camera work and find it very distracting.

Of course, other concerns in these negative reviews, namely the talks about the script, but hopefully I'll end up liking the film anyway.

[killkenny kid]

You haven't read Rye's review because he dared to say something bad about the banal Young Bond series!!! What kind of prick are you? Wake up man, sorry - wake up little boy! In the real world we adults debate every opinion offered. Seldom have a I read such an ignorant and petulant post.

Oh my, we have a new one.

[Publius]

Of course, other concerns in these negative reviews, namely the talks about the script, but hopefully I'll end up liking the film anyway.

Don't forget that your favorite Bond movies (if I'm not mistaken, the Daltons and FYEO) met similar reviews. Probably a little worse. I'm not saying we shouldn't go into QoS with realistic, ideally neutral expectations, but a mixed reception doesn't mean it can't still be one of the absolute greats in your or my opinion.

[tdalton]

Of course, other concerns in these negative reviews, namely the talks about the script, but hopefully I'll end up liking the film anyway.

Don't forget that your favorite Bond movies (if I'm not mistaken, the Daltons and FYEO) met similar reviews. Probably a little worse. I'm not saying we shouldn't go into QoS with realistic, ideally neutral expectations, but a mixed reception doesn't mean it can't still be one of the absolute greats in your or my opinion.

I'm not going into the film expecting a failure by any stretch of the imagination. I do think, however, that I had left my expectations grow to an unrealistic point there for a while, and these reviews are helping to bring those expectations down a bit, which is a good thing, IMO. Sure, we could be in store for a bad film, that's something that is possible each and every time we go to the cinema to see any film, whether it be a Bond film or not. But we could also be in store for a fantastic Bond film. At the very least, however, I've got Craig's performance to look forward to, which I'm certain will be fantastic.

[killkenny kid]

[quote name='tdalton' date='28 October 2008 - 23:31' post='944078']
I've got to admit that all of these negative reviews have me a bit concerned about QUANTUM OF SOLACE.



I feel the same way, and after reading Graham's review I almost got VERY cocerned. But, I fell after the great job done with CR, I have to go in with a open mind. And just cool it until Nov, 14th.

[bondrules]

The thing that really upsets me is this ridiculous gaps in release dates....where we have to wait weeks after reading press reviews, and if you are not in UK, you have to wait an extra 2 weeks....It's horrible this anxiety

[killkenny kid]

The thing that really upsets me is this ridiculous gaps in release dates....where we have to wait weeks after reading press reviews, and if you are not in UK, you have to wait an extra 2 weeks....It's horrible this anxiety

Indeed, I know what you mean. I also hope that it doesn't hurt the over box office of Solace.

[Captain Tightpants]

1 out of 10? Yeah, I'm sure it's that bad.

It's 1 out of 10 compared to CASNIO ROYALE; Rye intimates as much. If anything, it jsut goes to show that he's a poor reviewer: while comparative studies are fine - and to be expected, no less - he's supposed to judge a film on its individual merits and shortfalls, even if it is a direct sequel. It's a continuation of the story, but an entirely different film; it wouold be like comparing RETURN OF THE JEDI relative to THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. While RETURN can certainly hold is own, it's not as good as EMPIRE, so to review the former compared to the latter would skew the results.

[bondrules]

The thing that really upsets me is this ridiculous gaps in release dates....where we have to wait weeks after reading press reviews, and if you are not in UK, you have to wait an extra 2 weeks....It's horrible this anxiety

Indeed, I know what you mean. I also hope that it doesn't hurt the over box office of Solace.

Yeah, and it's building in the meantime this controversial stack of reviews...hopefully (regular Joes) ppl will turn up regardless...I know nothing can keep me from going

Edited by bondrules, 29 October 2008 - 04:23 AM.

[Blofeld's Cat]

However, NOW when it turns out that Graham Rye did not like it I'm actually a little bit curious. He has said so many stupid things before (in my opinion) and maybe this is just the film that I've been waiting for

I haven't read the review but the fact that Rye did not like it is only a good thing as far as I am concerned. When Rye mouthed off against Higson's Young Bond series I decided that his views were not worthy of my taking the time to read them.

You haven't read Rye's review because he dared to say something bad about the banal Young Bond series!!! What kind of prick are you? Wake up man, sorry - wake up little boy! In the real world we adults debate every opinion offered. Seldom have a I read such an ignorant and petulant post.

Good grief!

Your nappies need changing.

[Cro Cop]

1 out of 10? Yeah, I'm sure it's that bad.

It's 1 out of 10 compared to CASNIO ROYALE; Rye intimates as much. If anything, it jsut goes to show that he's a poor reviewer: while comparative studies are fine - and to be expected, no less - he's supposed to judge a film on its individual merits and shortfalls, even if it is a direct sequel. It's a continuation of the story, but an entirely different film; it wouold be like comparing RETURN OF THE JEDI relative to THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. While RETURN can certainly hold is own, it's not as good as EMPIRE, so to review the former compared to the latter would skew the results.

If a film can not stand on its own with another, it is only fair to compare. Quantum of Solace does not exist without Casino Royale, the same way any film that leans so much on its predecessor to provide all the gory details would.

[Captain Tightpants]

You need to watch THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK to at least understand the beginning of THE RETURN OF THE JEDI. How else do you know how Han Solo got frozen in carbonite?

[DR76]

As for this Graham Rye... who the is he? And why are people putting so much stock in what he thinks?

Precisely. Why are some people putting stock in what this guy says? His review is simply HIS opinion of the movie. It shouldn't dictate ours. We need to form our own opinions.

[Cro Cop]

You need to watch THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK to at least understand the beginning of THE RETURN OF THE JEDI. How else do you know how Han Solo got frozen in carbonite?

Actually you wouldn't. The point isn't how he got in the carbonite, but the rescue. Still the other aspect are built on having seen ANH and ESB. The relationships of the characters and the basics of the plot.

I think Roger Ebert said it best in his recent "re-review" of Godfather Part II. He didn't seem to like when he first saw it. However he has come to terms with the fact that Godfather Part I and II are one film and work only in that way. Part III is a separate entity all together.

If you want to use ROTJ as an example, that is why it is easily the weakest of the original three films. Unlike ANH or ESB, it is almost completely a third act wrapping up what was established in the first two films. ESB does so well in reestablishing all the major characters and their ambitions, while setting off on its own adventure. It grows and expands the mythos. It does not rely on ANH but it certainly does use it to enrich the experience.

[stamper]

You hope so, don't you?

No I don't, Craig isn't in fault, he is one of the saving graces of the movie. I'm just worried they take a big break again if the numbers aren't up there. I'm just afraid of a box office sinking. Ideally, they should as written here do YOLT/MWTGG next time, and re-hire Martin Campbell, even if just as a producer.

[JimmyBond]

I'll take Forsters direction over Campbell's workmanlike direction any day of the week.

To clarify, no I have not seen the movie, however I have seen enough Forster films to know he is a better director.

[Jim]

One would have expected something a little less hysterical from Mr Rye.

So - one fan club's attention seeker appears to have liked it and the other fan club's attention seeker did not. Attention sought, attention achieved, job done.

Perhaps they're on a recruitment drive. Who knows/cares?

[The ides of Mark]

I didn´t love CR right away, I liked it allright but I sat on it for a couple of days and I saw it again, I loved it the second time around and now it´s one of my favourites.

You are right sir James Molony. That's what happened to me too. I'm hoping QoS is in the same league.

[sharpshooter]

I walked out of the cinema thinking that CR was one of the best Bond things ever. Still do. Likewise, I think my first impression will count a great deal with QoS.

[Scamp]

Don't panic Mr Mainwaring!(British humour I'm afraid!).

Checklist for Quantum od Solace.

1. Don't read Graham Rye's review.

2. Don't expect TOO much/TOO little.

3. Don't go in with any expectations.

4. Buy popcorn, sweets ans drinks, or sneek them in.

5. Go to the toilet before the film starts because you WILL miss something.

6. Enjoy the b*$$£y film....it's Bond and we have waited for it!

7. Watch it, cool off and then comment on it!

8. Enjoy it, and you will! (yes it does need mentioning twice).

9. If you don't enjoy it after having sen it, then you can whinge and whine but at least give it a chance first!