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[MarkA]

Well I find it very interesting that a few points Graham came up with mirror the much derided Mark Kermode review, especially, it is a film made by the second unit, and the overall mess of a plot. I truly fear the worst. Both these people know what they are talking about. I have known Graham for years and often used to help out on 007 magazine. We have had our ups and downs but even when he pisses me off there is no denying his expertise in these matters, and remember he loved Casino Royale so I feel this is a very strong gut reaction to an extremely bad film. One day to go for me and I really and I mean really hope they are wrong. P.S. One thing I know he is right on the crap theme song, and when oh when are they going to get rid of David Arnold. nuff said.

[Scamp]

Ok guys, change of tack here..... lets have a supermarket discussion!!!

Some people like one supermarket because of It has a brand image

Some people like another supermarket because it's cheaper

Some people Etc Etc

Some people like another supermarket because it is closer

Others like supermarkets because it saves them going into individual shops to buy each group of items

And other don't like supermarkets at all!

What it proves is that we probably all have different reasons for going to the supermarket we like/think is the best.

Realty check, we are never ALL going to choose the same one but for different reasons.. and it's the same with this film.

If you go in with an open mind and don't have any preconceived ideas you will enjoy it. How much you enjoy it and for what reasons will keep these forums burning for a while.


PS If we could all do as good a job with something that we think we know so much about then....why aren't we all experts and VERY successful and influential film executives. Ans would all those negative people PLEASE stop spoiling everyone else's fun and excitement!

[Vauxhall]

Oh dear. Well, it's not going to be a Bond movie for the traditionalists. That much seems clear. I'm going to treat QUANTUM OF SOLACE as a normal action film I reckon, and see where that gets me.

[Sir James Moloney]

I wish you guys who have seen the film and liked it would defend it a bit more, so we could all rest assure I mean, I know you liked it Scamp, was it like DAD?

[Mr. Somerset]

Ok guys, change of tack here..... lets have a supermarket discussion!!!

Some people like one supermarket because of It has a brand image

Some people like another supermarket because it's cheaper

Some people Etc Etc

Some people like another supermarket because it is closer

Others like supermarkets because it saves them going into individual shops to buy each group of items

And other don't like supermarkets at all!

What it proves is that we probably all have different reasons for going to the supermarket we like/think is the best.

Realty check, we are never ALL going to choose the same one but for different reasons.. and it's the same with this film.

If you go in with an open mind and don't have any preconceived ideas you will enjoy it. How much you enjoy it and for what reasons will keep these forums burning for a while.


PS If we could all do as good a job with something that we think we know so much about then....why aren't we all experts and VERY successful and influential film executives. Ans would all those negative people PLEASE stop spoiling everyone else's fun and excitement!

Well said!





I'm going to have a blast at QoS even if it is nothing like CR. I'll probably have a great time even if it reminds me of NSNA (which I doubt) or........don't laugh, DAD!

[Royal Dalton]

PS If we could all do as good a job with something that we think we know so much about then....why aren't we all experts and VERY successful and influential film executives.

Because we didn't inherit the screen rights to James Bond?

[sharpshooter]

1/10.

Let's say that again - 1/10.

Ridiculous. The film cannot be that bad.

[Vauxhall]

I agree, sharpshooter. I tend to rate every movie I watch out of ten, and I cannot remember ever giving such a low mark. 2/10 for AVPR was my record low! I do recognise that everyone has different scoring systems though.

[Sir James Moloney]

I'm going to have a blast at QoS even if it is nothing like CR. I'll probably have a great time even if it reminds me of NSNA (which I doubt) or........don't laugh, DAD!

Oh I´m not laughing DAD was one of the worst films I´ve ever seen, it´s down there with any van dam film for me, and I used to say I loved all Bond films.

I just don´t get it. When I saw the DAD trailers I saw the quality of it and said on the minute oh dear this is going to be really bad. Now, all the stuff I´ve seen from QOS, clips and all, seem to suggest that the quality of the film is top noch. I mean, is it camp? Is it cringeworthy? Does it make you wanna cry and crall out of the cinema? Cause that´s the impression I get from some reviews.

And then there´s that beautiful review by Zorin Industries, or Ace, or Scamp.

I´ve seen guys in youtube comment areas saying that DAD was the best film and Brosnan was the best, so I guess an opinion IS just an opinion, but damn it, these reviews get some of us down. Even Vauxhall seems to be a bit depressed by it.

[MarkA]

Realty check, we are never ALL going to choose the same one but for different reasons.. and it's the same with this film.

Yea the trouble is in life you find the people who's opinion you respect and generally agree with, and listen to them. So far all the people I generally agree with say its crap. All the people I never agree with say its brilliant. Besides (no names mentioned) one person gives it a brilliant review and I find his favourite Bond is AVTAK!!! I am NOT going to take that person seriously.

[JohnFerguson]

1/10.

Let's say that again - 1/10.

Ridiculous. The film cannot be that bad.

No kidding. The way some folks have been going on, I'm half expecting to see black crows and rottweilers milling about the theater come Nov. 14th.

[Sir James Moloney]

And you´re right Sharpshooter, It can´t be THAT bad, I´d give 10/10 just for a couple of the clips. No DAD scene can match the Bond/Mathis clip, the Felix in the bar clip, etc...

This is all very odd, like Mathis would say. But I supose by tomorrow many of us will know for sure right?

Can´t wait to read Harmsway review: If the title is something like TWINE2, or DAD2, I´ll believe the bad hype.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Without making doom like prophecy, I think it's easy to tell by now that unlike CR times, we will soon be entering a zone akin to 1989-1995, where people will dispute Bond's relevancy in current times after such a dud.

CR it seems wasn't a rebirth. It was a last stand. And believe me, it doesn't bring me any joy saying it.

You're NOT making doom like prophecy, when you're not even watched the movie yet, and you say that 'we will soon be entering a zone akin to 1989-1995'...yeah, right!!

And you're NOT enjoying the supposed failure that you predict for QOS (and the Bond series) in this post and all of your latest posts... you sound soooo convincing.

[Vauxhall]

Without making doom like prophecy, I think it's easy to tell by now that unlike CR times, we will soon be entering a zone akin to 1989-1995, where people will dispute Bond's relevancy in current times after such a dud.

CR it seems wasn't a rebirth. It was a last stand. And believe me, it doesn't bring me any joy saying it.

You're NOT making doom like prophecy, when you're not even watched the movie yet, and you say that 'we will soon be entering a zone akin to 1989-1995'...yeah, right!!

Well, in his defence, he has seen the movie...

[Scamp]

Sir James, no it was NOTHING like DAD and yes I AM defending it, surely I get some brownie points for all the nice things I have said about it!

If people don't like it, they don't like it. But some of them won't like it because they have already made up their mind sthey don't like it and they havn't even seen it yet. I didn't particular see the point of the Agent Field character but then again she is not a significant character in the film BUT she DID serve a purpose and she moved the film along. The editing is NOT as bad as everyone seems to be assuming please believe me I HAVE SEEN THE FILM! I am NOT an expert nor a film critic...but I am a Bond fan and I liked it!

(But for all the negative amongst you, it was a crap film, the actors wre crap the director is crap and no one knows waht they are doing. The editing is awful and the Aston Martin....it was dirty!).


Vauxhall, in my defence SO HAVE I and trust me, if it was really as crap as people are suggesting I would be the first to jump on the bandwagon!!

[sharpshooter]

I'm not fazed by this review. Again, 1/10 is ridiculous.

He questions it even being a Bond film.
He thinks this Bond is too dark.
He trashes Arnold's score.
Doesn't like the gunbarrel at the end.
Dislikes minimal use of the James Bond theme.

I love that stuff.

And to those that don't know what is going on due to not seeing or remembering CR, tough luck as far as I am concerned. I love this film from from the outset in concept, due to its experimental and controversial nature.

[Vauxhall]

Vauxhall, in my defence SO HAVE I and trust me, if it was really as crap as people are suggesting I would be the first to jump on the bandwagon!!

I know, I enjoyed your review I wasn't agreeing with stamper; simply stating that despite his negativity, his opinion is as legitimate as any of the rest of you who have been lucky enough to see the movie already. Based on the reviews of ACE, Zorin Industries and yourself, I know I'll enjoy myself on Friday.

[Sir James Moloney]

Sir James, no it was NOTHING like DAD and yes I AM defending it, surely I get some brownie points for all the nice things I have said about it!

If people don't like it, they don't like it. But some of them won't like it because they have already made up their mind sthey don't like it and they havn't even seen it yet. I didn't particular see the point of the Agent Field character but then again she is not a significant character in the film BUT she DID serve a purpose and she moved the film along. The editing is NOT as bad as everyone seems to be assuming please believe me I HAVE SEEN THE FILM! I am NOT an expert nor a film critic...but I am a Bond fan and I liked it!

(But for all the negative amongst you, it was a crap film, the actors wre crap the director is crap and no one knows waht they are doing. The editing is awful and the Aston Martin....it was dirty!).


Vauxhall, in my defence SO HAVE I and trust me, if it was really as crap as people are suggesting I would be the first to jump on the bandwagon!!

Yes, many points for you Scamp I hope you´re right

Edited by Sir James Moloney, 28 October 2008 - 11:29 PM.

[Scamp]

Whether I am right or wrong bothers me not one jot as I liked it as did everyone I know who went over the weekend. There was a lot of genuine pride in the film from the people who worked on it.

And despite what people have written here they will still go and see the film and they will still like parts of it and they will still make it a success.

Rant of support now over with!

[Sir James Moloney]

Whether I am right or wrong bothers me not one jot as I liked it as did everyone I know who went over the weekend. There was a lot of genuine pride in the film from the people who worked on it.

And despite what people have written here they will still go and see the film and they will still like parts of it and they will still make it a success.

Rant of support now over with!

That´s the spirit! Come on Zorin, come on Ace, follow on Scamp´s footsteps and kick these bad reviews to hell

[Sir James Moloney]

I love this film from from the outset in concept, due to its experimental and controversial nature.

Yes, me too. After seeing the Bond on Location documentary, the South Bank Show , the clips and the Bond Girl Diaries, I can´t help but thinking this film will be great. Damn, I even like that tune Jack White invented. I´ve been following this production from the very beggining and I´m still to find something that puts in the same shelve as DUD. That´s why I can´t believe these reviews, not because of a such called denial. No, no such thing. I wasn´t in denial for DAD and I followed that production too. QOS´s concept is great and I already love it for it, call it fantasy or denial I don´t give a damn.

Edited by Sir James Moloney, 28 October 2008 - 11:54 PM.

[sharpshooter]

I think this review by Mr Rye will come back to haunt him, much like when our zencat labelled DAD the best Bond film ever.

[Scamp]

IT MUST BE GOOD......I am going to brave the cold, the rain, half term children plus taking TWO teenagers so that I can see it again! Such is my enthusiasm for the film!

Although Barbara and Michael DID inherit the legacy they are the one who ARE still making it a success despite what people think. Whether it is a critical success is far less important than whether it is a success with the fans or financially.

Edited by Scamp, 29 October 2008 - 12:27 AM.

[Sir James Moloney]

I think this review by Mr Rye will come back to haunt him, much like when our zencat labelled DAD the best Bond film ever.

Yeah, I remember that. I love Zen and I seem to remember quite a few reviews saying the film was great and even forgiving the tsunami surf and all the rest. "It´s not your grandparent´s gunbarrel and it´s not your grandparent´s Bond" I seem to remember people say.

I´ve been here since the begging of Cbn, when BlueEyes started it all (I had another nickname at the time), and I remember all the receptions of Bond films since the forums started. One thing is for certain, the reception has never been the same, it´s different from film to film.

Not even CR had a consensual response. I didn´t love CR right away, I liked it allright but I sat on it for a couple of days and I saw it again, I loved it the second time around and now it´s one of my favourites.

[Scamp]

For what it's worth Jonathan Ross agrees with the positive comments that have been made!

Edited by Scamp, 29 October 2008 - 12:44 AM.

[mario007]

Scamp ... I like to thank you for not ruining the film for most of us. I live in Canada and have to wait utill Nov 14th! I don't want to read Graham's review because of the detailed story writeup and spoilers ... what are some of the comparisons he is making to DAD and can you please respond to thoese? ... not in too much detail please!

Also, I have to say ... I was not too taken by CR second half ... as one reviewer said it ran out of steam towards the end ... and DAD was a fun bond film in my opinion!

[Captain Tightpants]

Meh. I have no idea who Graham Rye is, and nor do I care. He's entitled to his own opinion, butit means nothing to me.

[Scamp]

Stamper, by the way, did you see the same film that Zorin and I saw or are you...Graham Rye!

[kneelbeforezod]

For what it's worth Jonathan Ross agrees with the posoitive comments that have been made!

Though on his radio show he implied it was only ok, and that they "screwed up the script".

[Bradley De La Cloche]

For what it's worth Jonathan Ross agrees with the posoitive comments that have been made!

Though on his radio show he implied it was only ok, and that they "screwed up the script".

Just be glad he didn't give it 1 out of 10.