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[Bradley De La Cloche]

Who care's, where they are from, what's clear is that Foster came in with his american crew, and took over. EOn bended and got raped. Apart from Arnold and a couple others, there's almost no english people left in the crew. He has made a MOR action american movie starring an english spy who spent about 1m30 in the UK in the movie, and as Donovan said, it's already starting to be undistinguishable from a Steven Seagal movie the budget being the only difference.

007 legacy was back on the right track with CR, it's now in serious trouble. I can't wait to see the numbers coming in past the first three weeks, it's going to be painful for both Sony and EON. People like Rye or me may be prone to overreacting because we are concerned. You can't deny that most reviews including CHUD confirms what Rye warned you about. The Bond legacy will be in serious trouble soon, once no one go see this movie because regular joe can't understand anything in it. It's not like a Bergman movie you have to watch several times. It's just that way because it's messy, and that is unforgivable.

I would have much prefered a movie better than CR, using the YOLT/MWTGG storyline, rather than this piece of forgetable action fest. If Craig wasn't in there, the movie would be unwatchable. The reviewer who says it feels like a tacked on climax to CR is right. They tried to do Bourne Ultimatum, ie a movie made just for the studio to have a big budget flick out there for the season, rushed with lots of money spent due to continuous rewrites, that don't add a lot to the legacy other than hopefully selling tickets. Only at least Bourne 3 feels like a real movie, watchable even if you don't know what happened before.

Dude...

SHUT THE HELL UP.

Okay?

Edited by Bradley De La Cloche, 30 October 2008 - 09:51 PM.

[dee-bee-five]

Who care's, where they are from, what's clear is that Foster came in with his american crew, and took over. EOn bended and got raped. Apart from Arnold and a couple others, there's almost no english people left in the crew. He has made a MOR action american movie starring an english spy who spent about 1m30 in the UK in the movie, and as Donovan said, it's already starting to be undistinguishable from a Steven Seagal movie the budget being the only difference.

007 legacy was back on the right track with CR, it's now in serious trouble. I can't wait to see the numbers coming in past the first three weeks, it's going to be painful for both Sony and EON. People like Rye or me may be prone to overreacting because we are concerned. You can't deny that most reviews including CHUD confirms what Rye warned you about. The Bond legacy will be in serious trouble soon, once no one go see this movie because regular joe can't understand anything in it. It's not like a Bergman movie you have to watch several times. It's just that way because it's messy, and that is unforgivable.

I would have much prefered a movie better than CR, using the YOLT/MWTGG storyline, rather than this piece of forgetable action fest. If Craig wasn't in there, the movie would be unwatchable. The reviewer who says it feels like a tacked on climax to CR is right. They tried to do Bourne Ultimatum, ie a movie made just for the studio to have a big budget flick out there for the season, rushed with lots of money spent due to continuous rewrites, that don't add a lot to the legacy other than hopefully selling tickets. Only at least Bourne 3 feels like a real movie, watchable even if you don't know what happened before.

I can't comment on the film because I have to wait another 22 hours (as I write this) to see it.

However, it seems to me that there are one or two people on here (typified by the above) and elsewhere in fandom who have some kind of hysterical need for the rest of us to hate Quantum of Solace. Quite why this should be I can't imagine - perhaps they were refused premiere tickets, or something.

I might very well be disappointed by QoS, but if I am it won't change or spoil my life; as a much wiser man wrote a few posts above, it is only a movie. But I don't believe for a second that QoS rates only a 1 out of 10. Very, very few films do - and no previous Bond has - so I'm pretty convinced this review is utter nonsense.

[Bradley De La Cloche]

Let the guy speak. If you don't like his opinions you don't have to read them.

Sorry. But his rants are getting quite tiresome now.

[Shot Your Bolt]

Stamper may be an , but he has every right to be here as any of you.

[MarkA]

However, it seems to me that there are one or two people on here (typified by the above) and elsewhere in fandom who have some kind of hysterical need for the rest of us to hate Quantum of Solace. Quite why this should be I can't imagine - perhaps they were refused premiere tickets, or something.

I don't have any need for you too hate the film at all. That is entirely your opinion. What I object too is the kind of elitist rarefied tone of some of the reviews that do. As if us that don't are somehow stupid. I personally, think as I have said elsewhere an over directed mess. I would must probably give it a 4/10, because there is stuff I like, Daniel Craig's, Mathieu Amalric and especially Giancarlo Giannini performances for one. Though they had precious little to work with. A script that appears pretty much either rushed through or shot while still being written. And the amount and I mean the sheer amount of people that said to me how the action scenes were confusing, even people who liked the film. Can thay all be wrong? And by the way I went to the premier.

Edited by MarkA, 30 October 2008 - 11:42 PM.

[dee-bee-five]

However, it seems to me that there are one or two people on here (typified by the above) and elsewhere in fandom who have some kind of hysterical need for the rest of us to hate Quantum of Solace. Quite why this should be I can't imagine - perhaps they were refused premiere tickets, or something.

I don't have any need for you too hate the film at all. That is entirely your opinion. What I object too is the kind of elitist rarefied tone of some of the reviews that do. As if us that don't are somehow stupid. I personally, think as I have said elsewhere an over directed mess. I would must probably give it a 4/10, because there is stuff I like, Daniel Craig's, Mathieu Amalric and especially Giancarlo Giannini performances for one. Though they had precious little to work with. A script that appears pretty much either rushed through or shot while still being written. And the amount and I mean the sheer amount of people that said to me how the action scenes were confusing, even people who liked the film. Can thay all be wrong? And by the way I went to the premier.

Good for you.

But I'm intrigued by your assertion that anyone who disagrees with your assessment is being elitist and speaking in rarefied tones. You say that you don't have any need to make me hate the film. Fine, I believe you. Equally, will you not accept that those who are writing that they like the film are not doing so just to talk down to you but might simply have just liked the film?

[Virgo Lupin]

"Graham could be spot on with his review. But, we're not going to know until we've seen it ourselves."

Spot on sunshine. This Rye guy sounds to me as though he knowsa exactly what he's up to!

I'm told that the Gravity guy is the freak Kersey who believes he has some kind of idea he is somebody in the James Bond fan community, when really all he is is an overblown redneck nazi with bad breath and delusions of adequacy!

[Eddie Burns]

Reading the review and going over what most have said in this thread, a few things surprise me.

- We haven't had any glowing reviews of the movie just yet. I don't include the member reviews because of Zencat and DAD proving that as fans we do react to Bond through red tinted specs whenever a new movie comes out.

- It seems that the majority on here are ready to accept an inferior Bond movie to CR, which I get the feeling QoS is going to be. Why? It's like it doesn't matter if it's a Bourne rip off or wall to wall action. I for one haven't spent two years anticipating this movie only for it to be a rip off of another action series.

- Speaking of Bourne, no can deny why they went with Bradley, can they? Funny how Forster wanted to make a different movie to CR but ended up doing a Bourne movie.

- I've never enjoyed a Forster film, so fingers crossed that this will be my first one, but it won't turn me into a fan. I've never really warmed up to him during the production, and it irks me that he still thinks he's above doing Bond, without actually realizing this is the biggest thing he'll ever be involved in.

- I love surprises and I'm sure I'll be in for a few when I watch the movie. I'm glad they decided to take the movie in a different direction to CR, however I've heard the name Rambo, Seagal, and Bourne used more times than I've heard Connery.

All in all a post about nothing except getting a few things of my chest. I'll watch the movie and try and enjoy it but knowing it's not going to better than CR has put me off. There has not been one review that believes it's better than CR for me to cling to. All the talk about making a better film than the last one was just hot air. Every new Bond movie should try and be the best Bond movie ever, not copy other franchises, otherwise there is no point. I'll gladly eat humble pie when I see the film and it delivers, but I highly doubt it. What is more worrying is that they're making a Bourne IV, which I'm sure will expose EON once again because the Bourne people just seem more creative.

Still can't wait to see the film!

[Harmsway]

- We haven't had any glowing reviews of the movie just yet.

This isn't true. There have been a number of non-member reviews that thought very highly of QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

[DR76]

We haven't had any glowing reviews of the movie just yet. I don't include the member reviews because of Zencat and DAD proving that as fans we do react to Bond through red tinted specs whenever a new movie comes out.

Actually, most film critics tend to react to Bond through red tinted specs, as well. Although, I doubt they would admit this.

[Jim]

"Graham could be spot on with his review. But, we're not going to know until we've seen it ourselves."

Spot on sunshine. This Rye guy sounds to me as though he knowsa exactly what he's up to!

I'm told that the Gravity guy is the freak Kersey who believes he has some kind of idea he is somebody in the James Bond fan community, when really all he is is an overblown redneck nazi with bad breath and delusions of adequacy!

Oh do shut up.

[Virgo Lupin]

"If I were dragging my cross the Sahara desert and Graham Rye was out there selling ice cold bottles of water or Pepsi-Cola I would not buy them from him. I'd rather starve or die of dehydration than ever have anything to do with Rye. I had always been a bit on the fence about whether or not to believe the stories about Rye, and when he posted that horrible message on his website telling upset fans to shove it, he removed all doubts I ever had. His club, nor his website, will ever see a penny of mine."

You'd rather die than have anything to do with Graham Rye? What kind of inbred moron are you Kersey? You pontificate with heresay verbage as though what you proclaim is the truth and nothing but the truth, when for anyone in the know it's anything but the truth. I'm afraid you are an exceptionally sorry excuse for a human being. You even tried to besmirch dear Raymond Benson's character with some particularly nasty false accusations; a gentleman who has never criticised anyone. Get used to your position in life as a nonentity and stop flinging mud at people better than yourself in the hope that some of it will stick. Draging your cross across the Sahara desert? This Christ-like connotation would be amusing if it were not blasphemous to imagine someone of your low quality as some kind of unjustly persecuted rebel like our Lord, however appealing nailing you to a cross may seem.

[HildebrandRarity]

"Graham could be spot on with his review. But, we're not going to know until we've seen it ourselves."

Spot on sunshine. This Rye guy sounds to me as though he knowsa exactly what he's up to!

I'm told that the Gravity guy is the freak Kersey who believes he has some kind of idea he is somebody in the James Bond fan community, when really all he is is an overblown redneck nazi with bad breath and delusions of adequacy!

This is getting to be like a centuries old grudge. Darth Maul, Darth Sidious, Darth Tyranus kind of stuff.

What the hell!??

This should be one of the best times over a two year period for people who come to CBn.

Can't we let this be until, say, November 23 so that some of us can digest the film over its first two weekends and then spew our 2 cents worth?

[bondrules]

I think this thread deserves to go the way of the dodo...that graham fella' is getting too much attention, IMO

[Bondian]

It's a real shame this thread has gone on for so long. Graham Rye is a member here. Has never caused any problems. Now someone quotes a post from his site, and all hell breaks loose.

This chap knows his stuff and has a problem with the latest movie. So why should he be chastised just because he is honest enough to have an opinion?

Come on chaps. Please do not criticise someone just because they do not share the same thoughts as you. (especially when he's had the advantage of actually seeing the movie)

[HildebrandRarity]

Hey Virgo, are you Graham Rye?

Do tell.

[stamper]

Anyone pissed about my rants, can add me to their ignore lists. Just saying.
As for me starting to worry, yeah, it was when the trailer came in late and didn't deliver. I knew something was fishy already. But that's just me.

[MarkA]

- I've never enjoyed a Forster film, so fingers crossed that this will be my first one, but it won't turn me into a fan. I've never really warmed up to him during the production, and it irks me that he still thinks he's above doing Bond, without actually realizing this is the biggest thing he'll ever be involved in.

Funny I have enjoyed his other films except this one. But the second bit about him being above Bond I think has hit the nail on the head, and I think it kind of reflects in the film. Maybe that is what really irks me. As for Rye's review, I think the 1/10 is a reaction to liking Casino so much and being really disappointed by QOS. But I still think within that review is an honest assessment of the film as I saw it.

[dee-bee-five]

Again, I can't comment on the film until after tonight. But I'm beginning to wonder if it's no coincidence that those who are having hissy fits and throwing their toys out of the pram on here are the same ones who seem determined to browbeat the rest of us into hating the film before we've seen it and are yearning for QoS to fail so they can somehow get one over on the director and producers. How puerile.

[Jim]

"If I were dragging my cross the Sahara desert and Graham Rye was out there selling ice cold bottles of water or Pepsi-Cola I would not buy them from him. I'd rather starve or die of dehydration than ever have anything to do with Rye. I had always been a bit on the fence about whether or not to believe the stories about Rye, and when he posted that horrible message on his website telling upset fans to shove it, he removed all doubts I ever had. His club, nor his website, will ever see a penny of mine."

You'd rather die than have anything to do with Graham Rye? What kind of inbred moron are you Kersey? You pontificate with heresay verbage as though what you proclaim is the truth and nothing but the truth, when for anyone in the know it's anything but the truth. I'm afraid you are an exceptionally sorry excuse for a human being. You even tried to besmirch dear Raymond Benson's character with some particularly nasty false accusations; a gentleman who has never criticised anyone. Get used to your position in life as a nonentity and stop flinging mud at people better than yourself in the hope that some of it will stick. Draging your cross across the Sahara desert? This Christ-like connotation would be amusing if it were not blasphemous to imagine someone of your low quality as some kind of unjustly persecuted rebel like our Lord, however appealing nailing you to a cross may seem.

To promulgate a needless argument is contrary to the rules of the site.

To promulgate a needless argument that did not even start here is some sort of macabre achievement.

Very fed up with our hosting such rubbish. Tell you what - why not just email each other? Insufficiently attention-seeking, I know.

I'd advise you both to get out more, but I suspect that this depends on the parole board. Now go away.

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