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[Jet Set Willy]

http://www.007magazi...d_22_review.htm

I have only skimmed this as I don't want to ruin what actually happens in the movie, but this has to be the most damning review I've read so far, and is in-depth, well-written, and comes from a dedicated Bond fan.

I'm just trying desperately now not to let any of this influence me until I see it for myself on Friday.

It's certainly a film that has severely divided critics, that's for sure (more than any other film I can think of right now).

[Judo chop]

Zipped past the plot outline.

Interesting. A confusing onslaught of characters and plot shifts leading to disinterest seems to be a common complaint.

Then again, maybe that means it's a film which requires several viewings.

[stamper]

Division is good, however, when a movie endangers the franchise, it as to be told. I remember Graham review of DAD, and this one is very similar, only worse. He has an even worse view of the movie than I have.

It's not that it's less good than CR. It's that they have gone back to TND/DAD nonsense. That's what he says in essence and some remarks he make on things that bypassed me like the DAD like references to the past are totally on the spot.

Watching the CR supplements where they affirm that after DAD they needed to stop doing stuff like that is surreal, in light of the Titanic disaster crash that is QOS. See it and come back as soon as you can to talk about it. Without making doom like prophecy, I think it's easy to tell by now that unlike CR times, we will soon be entering a zone akin to 1989-1995, where people will dispute Bond's relevancy in current times after such a dud.

CR it seems wasn't a rebirth. It was a last stand. And believe me, it doesn't bring me any joy saying it.

[Judo chop]

Watching the CR supplements where they affirm that after DAD they needed to stop doing stuff like that is surreal, in light of the Titanic disaster crash that is QOS.

Are you saying there are similarities between the flaws of DAD and the flaws of QOS?

[bondrules]

Beware, if you read this in its entirety, I don't think there will be much left to "spoil" you with...the reviewer pretty much narrates the entire flick

[DamnCoffee]

Spoiler

“We’re teachers on a sabbatical – who won the Lottery!”

LMFAO!

[Matt_13]

Wow I stopped reading after the Tosca bit, this is a poor review as it pretty much narrates the movie rather than simply supporting his opinions. His feelings and how he enjoyed the film are of course respectable, but I wish he hadn't outlined the entire film.

For me, so long as the film isn't campy like DAD was, then I'll probably enjoy it, though the slow motion shoot out does not sound good to me.

[DamnCoffee]

For me, so long as the film isn't campy like DAD was, then I'll probably enjoy it, though the slow motion shoot out does not sound good to me.

I think it sounds very artistic. I bet it will be alot better than the Matrix, speed ramping crap in Die Another Day!

[Bradley De La Cloche]

Ouch.

[Mr. Somerset]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! How can it be worse than DAD????????????????????



I wonder what Raymond Benson thinks?

[doubler83]

For me, so long as the film isn't campy like DAD was, then I'll probably enjoy it, though the slow motion shoot out does not sound good to me.

I think it sounds very artistic.

I think it sounds like it should be in a Michael Bay movie. But that could just be me.

Edited by doubler83, 28 October 2008 - 07:01 PM.

[Marketto007]

xxx

[BoogieBond]

Oh dear.

I am going to make my own mind up, but I cannot dismiss this review or the common themes that are running through the negative comments from reviewers so far, one of which is that the film is muddled and a bit of a mess, and there are others. Either the critics copied eachother's notes, or some of them came away from the film with the same impression, and it is not just one or two reviewers that say this, it seems a pretty clear consensus that they highlight what are problems for them. Thankfully there are some positive reviews and quite a considerable amount that say very good, but not as good as CR. This balances it up for me.

[Mr_Wint]

As I have said before, my expectations are really low for this film. I was not totally sold on some things in CR and I fear that QOS will be the bad things in CR x 10.

However, NOW when it turns out that Graham Rye did not like it I'm actually a little bit curious. He has said so many stupid things before (in my opinion) and maybe this is just the film that I've been waiting for

I will know in 2 days and 4 hours.

[stamper]

Another one with minimal spoilers, but strong negativity

http://thequietus.co...antum-of-solace

Why, oh why isn't QOS 11/10 on the 007 scale ? Someone wake me up.

[Harry Fawkes]

I don't give a crap what other people say about the film. I don't need anyone to tell me if a film is good or not. I am the judge at the end of the day. To each his own!

[Harmsway]

Rye's opinion naturally carries some weight. And given the evidence he provides, it seems he may not be entirely off-the-mark. The plot does sound rather confusing (that said, I'm somewhat glad I know it in advance... everything will flow much nicer!).

I've seen too much positive stuff about this film to lose excitement. On the contrary, I'm loving the controversy - the uncertainty makes the flick all the more intriguing.

[stamper]

Absolutely Harry, looking forward to you killing the movie

[Harry Fawkes]

Absolutely Harry, looking forward to you killing the movie

[Bradley De La Cloche]

Absolutely Harry, looking forward to you killing the movie

You've changed, man.

[broadshoulder]

I used to write for the James Bond British fan club that he used to edit and I trust his judgement.

I'm preparing mysefl to be disapointed.

What is going on? Was Casino Royale a fluke? Why are the filmakers falling back on the TWINE and DAD method of too much action and not enough exposition.

[bondrules]

LOL

Spoiler

The Casanova pick-up line which seals the deal is, “I can’t find my stationery. Will you come and help me look for it?“

[stamper]

It's a good question Broadshoulders, my impression is that EON (ie Barbara and Michael) have absolutely no clue what makes a good Bond movie. I think CR was just all the movie gods being on the same wavelenght re the reboot. But beyond that, It must have been all Martin Campbell contribution.
The last two good Bond movies in the past 15 years were Goldeneye (even if it had huge flaws, it's miles above the rest of the Brosnan, and is best performance), and CR, both directed by Martin Campbell, who in my opinion should be approached to step in as producer for the series right away. Clearly he knows how to have a view on the character, which Foster and the others do not. Maybe Campbell should step into Michael Wilson's place (but please keep the Wilson cameos they are hilarious).
It's not just about box office, it's about seeing the character into the 21st century. As it stands, I think this will be Craig's last.

[FLEMINGFAN]

Not being a fan of CASINO ROYALE and the little, ugly, dough-boy Craig, this film sounds liked a major improvement.

[DamnCoffee]

[stamper]

What ? CR is one of the three great 007 movies, the others being FRWL and OHMSS. It's good enough we finally saw a movie that could stand near to those two in our lifetime.

[bondrules]

What ? CR is one of the three great 007 movies, the others being FRWL and OHMSS. It's good enough wre finally saw a movie that could stand beyond those two in our lifetime.

TB has to be up there.

[Judo chop]

Zipped past the plot outline.

Interesting. A confusing onslaught of characters and plot shifts leading to disinterest seems to be a common complaint.

Then again, maybe that means it's a film which requires several viewings.

Hmmmm...in that case BRIDE OF THE MONSTER or PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE must be legitimate cinematic masterpieces that necessitate repeated viewings to truly understand their artistic integrity. Or else they're all complete trash, devoid of any significant artistic contribution.

Hmmm... I recognize that. An old friend of mine. Sarcasm.

Yes, you are correct. It's either, or, or something in between. I'm sorry (not really) if my post wasn't profound enough for you. Though it's not like:

it'll be a cold day in hell before I allow him to shape my opinions of Bond fandom.

...is any more original a concept. Not around here where that sentiment pops up every other post.

[DamnCoffee]

What ? CR is one of the three great 007 movies, the others being FRWL and OHMSS. It's good enough wre finally saw a movie that could stand beyond those two in our lifetime.

TB has to be up there.

Yup, and The Spy Who Loved Me, Goldfinger and Dr. No.

[Blonde Bond]

The Great Craig Era...


I don't want to paint demons on the wall... But, I told you so!


Of course I will form my own opinion after I've seen the movie. But it's hilarious, when people, before seeing the movie, declare it 'The.Best.Bond.Ever' and rave how good the Craig era is. This was done after one great movie.

To me, it seems that 'Quantum of Solace' will divide opinions of fans and non fans alike.

So, that said, 'The Great Craig' era might just become 'The Craig Era'. Just like 'The Brosnan era' fans are regularly mouthing of about on these forums.


Of course I don't hope few bad reviews will define this Bond movie. I hope it divides opinions for good and bad, because it's not what people were expecting. Not because it's a bad movie. 'Here's hoping it's going to be good'