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[Marquis]

That song was -awful! Jesus Christ! It doesn't flow at all! Bang bang Bang! Stop! Bang Bang Bang! Stop!. Scream a bit! Incomprehensible lyrics! Are they taking the ing piss! Is this some sort of ing joke?!! I mean, Die Another Day had its issues, but this is the biggest load of wank ever passed off as a Bond tune!

What is it with there not having been a decent Bond tune in 20 years! The only good recent one was Surrender and they were too ing stupid to use it!

'em! Where Bond theme tunes are concerned, I give up!

I take it you didn't like it then?!

Sadly I'm at work and the Firewall won't let me have a listen.

[Mister E]

Its funny how with all the complaints we seem to be losing sight of the real issue of Quantum of Solace being an awesome Bond flick..regardless of the title song.. I'm waiting for some fool to start up:

www.quantumofsolaceisnotarealbondfilmbecauseanotherwaytodieisaterriblethemesong.
com

The title song shuld be considered as much as the film itself. I know the song really doesn't sully the film but still, it's like eating steak that is missing some flavor.

[deth]

I've got a mp3 and wav rip of the song... wav is better quality... mp3 loses some.

I'm uploading the wav right now...

[The Dove]

Perhaps the title sequence will add some A1 sauce (or whatever type of steak sauce you like) to flavor up that song a bit for you, Mister E..

[Mister E]

Perhaps the title sequence will add some A1 sauce (or whatever type of steak sauce you like) to flavor up that song a bit for you, Mister E..

Yes the TS has be really good though to make up my disappointment with the song. I have faith in MK12.

[Publius]

This new theme song shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as the Bassey classics. I don't hate it, although the more I listen to it, the less I like it. But am I alone in finding it terribly dated? It sounds like a corporate lawyer's idea of how to get down with da kids.

Do you really think this is what a corporate lawyer would make if he wanted a guaranteed hit on radio and MTV? I think it employs far too many styles and abrupt changes for it to even remotely be a "safe" song. As much as I love YKMN, that was far more marketable to the masses you suggest they're targeting.

You are not so perfect yourself. You don't have to mention the word "troll" here.

Go ahead, find an instance of me being less than civil in this discussion (in either this thread or any other), and no, telling people to stop trolling doesn't count.

I think some fans can actually hate this song. They are not looking for a reason to upset people.

Hating this song is perfectly fine. That's their right. And I don't want them to be quiet about it. Discussion is why we're here. But the "you have bad/no taste in music" claims have no place here, and that's what I was railing against.

[deth]

alright so I've uploaded a .wav format rip. mp3 to come... quality will be the same.

[JADSTERSDAD]

Yep! Thumbs up for me guys. Hints of OHMSS, I'm sure. Love the sound. It's sexy and powerful.

The more I listen to it the more I love it.

The man called Fawkes says 10 out of 10

Were you listening to the same song.....? ;-)

[Mister E]

Do you really think this is what a corporate lawyer would make if he wanted a guaranteed hit on radio and MTV? I think it employs far too many styles and abrupt changes for it to even remotely be a "safe" song.

This is by no means an un-safe song. It's rock and R and B that has some nods to the old songs but it's what masses are listening to now. It's not that unique.

As much as I love YKMN, that was far more marketable to the masses you suggest they're targeting.

So why can't they split the difference and actually have a song that can appease old and new fans ? I am tired of these songs just appealing to the brain dead MTV/VH1 fan.

[deth]

mp3 uploaded.

I'm not allowed to publicly give links am I...?

[Arbogast777]

I'm surprised nobody's commented on a point I made back in Post #81, and that's that the entire melody of the song was taken directly from "Casino Royale," note for note! Compare the opening of AWTD with the 1:42 mark of "Blunt Instrument."

Homage or rip off?

[Publius]

This is by no means an un-safe song. It's rock and R and B that has some nods to the old songs but it's what masses are listening to now. It's not that unique.

Sure, they could have taken much bigger risks, but the safest thing about this song is the artists whose names are attached to it. As far as Bond songs go, this is probably the most daring in quite a well. Not quite the shock of the early Bond songs, particularly LALD, mind you, but I'd be hard-pressed to think of a bigger risk since then.

And, at least where I'm from, the masses are listening to techno, hard rap, pop, and whatever the technical term is for that "emo" style of rock. This has none of those elements. It sounds like something you'd near on a niche or underground station, not a top-of-the-charts one.

So why can't they split the difference and actually have a song that can appease old and new fans ? I am tired of these songs just appealing to the brain dead MTV/VH1 fan.

I wish they could, but that's like asking for a politician that appeals to people of every political stripe.

[Mister Asterix]

mp3 uploaded.

I'm not allowed to publicly give links am I...?

Sorry, but no. We ain’t nobody’s napster.

[Harmsway]

I'm surprised nobody's commented on a point I made back in Post #81, and that's that the entire melody of the song was taken directly from "Casino Royale," note for note! Compare the opening of AWTD with the 1:42 mark of "Blunt Instrument."

Homage or rip off?

They're similar, but oh-so-slightly different in their note choices. It's just about the same up until the final note of the motif, which is distinctly different between the two. So it's like an echo of "You Know My Name," but not quite a quote.

At any rate, the actual songs themselves are so worlds apart from one another that I don't think it matters in the slightest if they share a motif.

[sorking]

I'm surprised nobody's commented on a point I made back in Post #81, and that's that the entire melody of the song was taken directly from "Casino Royale," note for note! Compare the opening of AWTD with the 1:42 mark of "Blunt Instrument."

At the 1:42 mark Blunt Instrument uses a version of You Know My Name's opening riff...which, yes, IS pretty similar to what what they've done this time around, though not identical.

[MattofSteel]

I'm surprised nobody's commented on a point I made back in Post #81, and that's that the entire melody of the song was taken directly from "Casino Royale," note for note! Compare the opening of AWTD with the 1:42 mark of "Blunt Instrument."

Homage or rip off?

I noticed the same thing a week ago on the Coke Ad and pointed it out. We had a lengthy discussion about it in the thread here. No one else seemed to think it was anything more than "similar" (including a few friends I have, as one put it - 'There are only so many Bondian sounding things in the world you can use before you start repeating yourself), but to me it sounds identical. Not complaining, cause I love YKMN and I think that's a particularly empowering section, but it is just way too...identical?...to be coincidence. I don't think White would rip off Cornell so blatantly. I guess that leaves homage?

[Judo chop]

Not as if the concept of 'borrowing from the past' is unprecedented in Bond.

Blatant copying is lazy, but subtle sharing I think is endearing and a strength.

[Publius]

They're similar, but oh-so-slightly different in their note choices. It's just about the same up until the final note of the motif, which is distinctly different between the two. So it's like an echo of "You Know My Name," but not quite a quote.

I'm no musical expert, but I remember some people pointing out that YKMN seemed like it was based on the Bond theme, which I believed was a real possibility after seeing how it was used in CR. Any chance AWTD is just referencing the Bond theme, rather than YKMN directly?

[crheath]

This may have been mentioned already, but doesn't the main music melody sound like the opening three chords of You Know My Name only slower?

[BlackFire]

Ah damn! I was going to download the track from YouTube but Sony took it again, seems this 'leak' is illegal again?

[Publius]

Ah damn! I was going to download the track from YouTube but Sony took it again, seems this 'leak' is illegal again?

Now that it's been played on BBC Radio, I don't think it would be illegal to post, but I doubt that'll prevent Sony from acting like it's still illegal and websites from (wisely) complying with their wishes.

[JackUnion]

I have to say I like the coke commercial version better. It works well as an instrumental, but the singing sort of ruins it for me. They are both amazing musicians and performers...but this song has so many f-ing change ups that we never get a strong melody ever. David Arnold had better just OHMSS this thing and call it a day. This song is also to American Pop for me, it lacks a lot of the great cues and swells that make a bond theme great. The whole bit where alicia keys is just singing notes...says to me...um we have 45 seconds and we need to fill it and we are out of lyrics. I think the film will be really good...this will be its lowest point though that and if I don't see a gunbarrel in the first 20 seconds I'm gonna snap in the theater. Now I am interested to see what Amy Winehouse cooked up.

[Publius]

if I don't see a gunbarrel in the first 20 seconds I'm gonna snap in the theater.

That gave me a funny mental image.

Anyway, interesting that if you average the poll results right now, the consensus seems to be ever-so-slightly on the positive side of "it's okay."

[Harmsway]

Giving it closer analysis, the two riffs aren't more than similar. AWTD has two notes that distinctly differ from the notes in YKMN in that riff. To put it more musical interpretation, they do share this basic structure:

Do re do __ do re do __

But those two blanks are where the motifs differ, and thus they're merely reminiscent of one another, instead of identical copies. I think, honestly, that it's likely a case of accidental similarity more than anything else.

[Zorin Industries]

I'm surprised nobody's commented on a point I made back in Post #81, and that's that the entire melody of the song was taken directly from "Casino Royale," note for note! Compare the opening of AWTD with the 1:42 mark of "Blunt Instrument."

Homage or rip off?

Neither. That's just an observation of someone getting too worried about something. Jack White does not know the score for ROYALE inside out folks. Some of us might, but that's different.

[Bill]

Up until now, I thought The Living Daylights was the worst Bond song.

All of the Bond songs have had a basic format. I am no music expert, but I am a Bond fan, and have had no problem associating any of the twenty one previous songs with Bond. Even Madonna's song, as odd as it is, plays beautifully as an instrumental, and despite the techno and whacky lyrics (Sigmund Freud???) it is still an okay Bond song. You Know My Name is fast and, honestly, not very memorable, but it is serviceable.

The series may have been rebooted, but despite the change in the time frame of the narrative, the fact is that the elements are still present. David Arnold is excellent, and the retention of him as composer points to the fact that the producers have had no intention of radically changing the music. He is not John Barry, but his style is similar enough, while adding his own twist, that I have no problem embracing his style as part of the Bond sound.

Which brings me to this new song. The fact that it was a duet was much publicized, but why? The overlapping of the voices and their similarity does not allow one to really hear it as a duet. The lyrics are muddled and indecipherable to a large extent. It has too much of a rap or hip hop feel and that, sorry to say, is not Bond.

Give me the parody songs (Something of Boris!) that were released a month or so ago over this any day.

I know there are some who say that Bond needs to be shaken up and with that so does the music. My answer is, no, it does not. There are essential elements of Bond, reboot or no. The main title song, even the aforementioned The Living Daylights and other weak ones like The Man with the Golden Gun, has always sounded like Bond. Some of the songs like Goldfinger and Nobody Does It Better can be played as easily as the Bond theme itself to get one in the mood for Bond. Bond has lasted over 40 years without a need to radicalize the main title song. Until now.

Here we have a song which is a lot of noise and nonsense. The opening bars and some of the melody do have an appeal which saves it from being a complete disaster. And perhaps when played over the opening titles it will not be so bad.

Who knows, it may sell better then the Titanic song, and thus show it has commercial appeal. However, I doubt it.

Hopefully Bond 23 will have Shirley Bassey back. I just hope that the song is the weakest part of QOS. I remain optimistic with everything else I have seen, so let's hope the song will just be a minor glitch in an otherwise great Bond film. We shall see.

Bill

Edited by Bill, 18 September 2008 - 06:27 PM.

[thecasinoroyale]

Yikes, I'm so dissapointed!

I've never been a fan of Keys/White, but nor was I of Cornell but I gave him a try and in my opinion he gave one of the best Bond themes for years.

Can 'QOS' provide the same? In my eyes, no.

A very...sloppy James Bond theme that, apart from the brass, doesn't fill me with Bond-ian vibes as the others. I can see where they are coming from with the hint of Daniel's character in there- moody, dark, sharp etc- but I really can't stomach this mash of tunes and rythem.


Verrrry dissapointed. I wish Duran Duran HAD come back now.

[Mister E]

Sure, they could have taken much bigger risks, but the safest thing about this song is the artists whose names are attached to it. As far as Bond songs go, this is probably the most daring in quite a well. Not quite the shock of the early Bond songs, particularly LALD, mind you, but I'd be hard-pressed to think of a bigger risk since then.

NOBODY DOES IT BETTER by Carly Simon. It wasn't a total departure but it was alot more subtle then most Bond songs and it worked. ATWTD is not a risk taker, it takes two popular styles of music and it really is just a combination of the two. You really can't get anymore safe then that. This song will become dated in five years time.

And, at least where I'm from, the masses are listening to techno, hard rap, pop, and whatever the technical term is for that "emo" style of rock. This has none of those elements. It sounds like something you'd near on a niche or underground station, not a top-of-the-charts one.

This isn't underground at any means, it's mainstream and safe for the masses.

I wish they could, but that's like asking for a politician that appeals to people of every political stripe.

They did it before with GOLDENEYE.

[DCI_director]

I was never a big fan of YKMN. I'm still not, but I think it's better than AWTD. It has some okay parts like the intro, but it does remind me a bit of LALD and TMWTGG. I think I recall both Jack White and Chris Cornell saying that both of their songs have this LALD feel. Am I seeing a pattern? Is that what all the Craig Bond songs are going to sound like - a LALD essence feel?! God, I hope not! I have to say after hearing AWTD, I am really missing Shirley Bassey right now!

[Mister E]

I don't think Bassey needs to come back but EON should have picked artists that are relatively out of the mainstream.