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[sorking]

Just like with movies, the first experience will tell you exactly how good it is. After that, your mind will be clouded.

Not really. Some movies/songs/etc. are "good" (or "bad") by virtue of their shock value, immediate impression, etc. Some get better when you see it or listen to it enough times that you start appreciating the nuances. And there are a number of other types. But I think it's a mistake to say that your first experience is the most (or even only) reliable, "objective" one.

Speaking with a clinical eye (yeah, I know that sounds just odd), I must say I agree with Publius

Absolutely spot-on.

[bond 16.05.72]

Just like with movies, the first experience will tell you exactly how good it is. After that, your mind will be clouded.

Not really. Some movies/songs/etc. are "good" (or "bad") by virtue of their shock value, immediate impression, etc. Some get better when you see it or listen to it enough times that you start appreciating the nuances. And there are a number of other types. But I think it's a mistake to say that your first experience is the most (or even only) reliable, "objective" one.

I agree, I don't how many times I've listened to something dismissed it and then heard it again and again and I start to hear something I didn't the first time, music which is instantaneously likeable is usually the stuff I won't be returning to so much.

If it's taken it's time to work it's magic on me I find that more rewarding plus you can go back to music and spot little subtlties in it you never did before and it can be more rewarding, music which you instantly like, for instance the album What's the Story Morning Glory by Oasis was an album I liked straight away, after 6 months or so I was sick of it.

It wasn't about repetition either, hearing it too much because I've listened to OK Computer so many times but each time I find something new in it, I was impressed on my first listen but my opinion grew on each subsequent listen.

Films I experience this sometimes, the first time I saw the Exorcist I thought it was rubbish but my 2nd viewing changed my mind and by my 3rd I was a huge fan, first impressions are certainly not definitive, it may work that way for some but certainly not me.

I think surroundings and atmospheres can impact on this as well.

Edited by bond 16.05.72, 19 September 2008 - 04:50 PM.

[marktmurphy]

Only notably good thing about it is the quality of the drumming

The drumming is particularly fabby, yes; I agree- probably the best bit of it. I do like the rest, though.

I think the people that say they love it are in denial. Their whole point is part of talking up the movie (which looks fantastic) and that's coloring their view of this completely naff piece of music.

That's right; everyone who doesn't share your point of view is lying. In reality we're all you underneath.
Hello me. Stop touching that.

[Judo chop]

That's right; everyone who doesn't share your point of view is lying. In reality we're all you underneath.
Hello me. Stop touching that.

To be fair to his point (which is more than what it deserves) we aren't lying. We believe we are speaking the truth, when in fact we are not. We are LOST.

[Harmsway]

To be fair to his point (which is more than what it deserves) we aren't lying. We believe we are speaking the truth, when in fact we are not. We are LOST.

Yeah, so we're self-deluded. What an incredibly presumptuous statement to make.

[Johnboy007]

Does any think that the ThirdManRecords version is a little slower than the other releases?

I'd definitely say it's easier to hear, perhaps because the file is simply higher quality.

[Harmsway]

Just like with movies, the first experience will tell you exactly how good it is. After that, your mind will be clouded.

It's ridiculous, and dangerous, to believe that the first impulse, the initial reaction, is the most proper and "right" one. A first impulse isn't particularly reasoned. In fact, sometimes what we're handed is so shocking we don't know what to make of it, or sometimes we miss things the first time around. Re-evaluation is important.

[Loomis]

OK, it sounds like Tarzan Boy how?

The yodelling bit in the middle reminds me of "Tarzan Boy". Maybe it doesn't remind anyone else of "Tarzan Boy". No big deal.

[Judo chop]

Just like with movies, the first experience will tell you exactly how good it is. After that, your mind will be clouded.

Ridiculous statement.

Just like with movies. Your first viewing is clouded with presumptions and expectations. The more you watch it, the more your mind is subjected to the realities and the clearer it becomes.

See? It works both ways.

Also what Harms just said. Way too much free psychology on these boards.

[Safari Suit]

OK, it sounds like Tarzan Boy how?

The yodelling bit in the middle reminds me of "Tarzan Boy". Maybe it doesn't remind anyone else of "Tarzan Boy". No big deal.

It is for me. I love Tarzan Boy!

[Jim]

I think the people that say they love it are in denial. Their whole point is part of talking up the movie (which looks fantastic) and that's coloring their view of this completely naff piece of music.

Take off the rose-tinted glasses and look at it as you would any piece of music (as the generral public will) and you'll see just how bad it actually is. It's similar to the phenomenon we saw in 2002 and 2003 with all the people talking up Die Another Day after first seeing it and then voila, six months later they think it's terrible.

Teach me, oh wise one. May I touch the hem of your garment? Bespeak your learning unto me and I am saved.

You have seen into the weak minds of the masses and you provide a guiding light.

I am unworthy, for I have not followed the path of the one true opinion fact.

I said "opinion". Aiee! I must scourge that from me, for I have doubted the way of wisdom, the way laid before me so clearly and yet I spurned it. Scourge, scourge, scourge. Scourgey scourgey scourgey.

[Harmsway]

I think the people that say they love it are in denial. Their whole point is part of talking up the movie (which looks fantastic) and that's coloring their view of this completely naff piece of music.

Take off the rose-tinted glasses and look at it as you would any piece of music (as the generral public will) and you'll see just how bad it actually is. It's similar to the phenomenon we saw in 2002 and 2003 with all the people talking up Die Another Day after first seeing it and then voila, six months later they think it's terrible.

Teach me, oh wise one. May I touch the hem of your garment? Bespeak your learning unto me and I am saved.

You have seen into the weak minds of the masses and you provide a guiding light.

I am unworthy, for I have not followed the path of the one true opinion fact.

I said "opinion". Aiee! I must scourge that from me, for I have doubted the way of wisdom, the way laid before me so clearly and yet I spurned it. Scourge, scourge, scourge. Scourgey scourgey scourgey.

Oh Jim, what would we do without you?

[marktmurphy]

I wonder if DLibrasnow's got the message yet...?

[Jim]

I think the people that say they love it are in denial. Their whole point is part of talking up the movie (which looks fantastic) and that's coloring their view of this completely naff piece of music.

Take off the rose-tinted glasses and look at it as you would any piece of music (as the generral public will) and you'll see just how bad it actually is. It's similar to the phenomenon we saw in 2002 and 2003 with all the people talking up Die Another Day after first seeing it and then voila, six months later they think it's terrible.

Teach me, oh wise one. May I touch the hem of your garment? Bespeak your learning unto me and I am saved.

You have seen into the weak minds of the masses and you provide a guiding light.

I am unworthy, for I have not followed the path of the one true opinion fact.

I said "opinion". Aiee! I must scourge that from me, for I have doubted the way of wisdom, the way laid before me so clearly and yet I spurned it. Scourge, scourge, scourge. Scourgey scourgey scourgey.

Oh Jim, what would we do without you?

Enjoy yourselves, probably.

[Elvenstar]

I think the people that say they love it are in denial. Their whole point is part of talking up the movie (which looks fantastic) and that's coloring their view of this completely naff piece of music.

It applies to me. I hear voices of Jack and Alicia showting this catchy tune. Obviously a doctor needed!

Just like with movies, the first experience will tell you exactly how good it is. After that, your mind will be clouded.

Not really. Some movies/songs/etc. are "good" (or "bad") by virtue of their shock value, immediate impression, etc. Some get better when you see it or listen to it enough times that you start appreciating the nuances. And there are a number of other types. But I think it's a mistake to say that your first experience is the most (or even only) reliable, "objective" one.

Exactly what happened with my first listen of Winehouse album "Back to black". At 1st I couldn't dig it but now Im a huge fan...

[MarkA]

I think the people that say they love it are in denial. Their whole point is part of talking up the movie (which looks fantastic) and that's coloring their view of this completely naff piece of music.

Well I for one will admit you have a point. When I first heard a snippet of it, it sounded interesting very Bondian. I actually said to someone I quite like it. I should have waited. No two ways about it, it is a bloody mess. All over the place with absolutely no sense of melody sweep and where the heck it is going. Really you simply cannot put it in the same class as a Barry. In comparison it is amateur hour. They should be ashamed. With people around like Amy Whinehouse (yes really), Goldfrapp, Muse, anybody but that idiot associated with that Emperor's new clothes of a rock band the White Stripes. Yea, very trendy Barbara and Micheal, but still crap.

[Bond Bombshell]

I voted for "okay" in the poll, which means I'm relatively disappointed because I usually love Bond themes. Oh well. I'm sure this song isn't aimed at my tired old flappy ears anyway. With this in mind I played the song and showed this thread to my spotty nephew with a view to gaining the youth perspective. I think he said -

"Oh my god, no way blood! They're massively disrespectin' Jack an' everythin'. That is so random. They're tin' me. They're like well racist an' it's against his human rights. I'll cuss them up an' blank them man. That's actually like abuse. I'll ache their gay balls an' somethin'. That song is well hardcore. He sings up some good an' stuff isn't it?

Keys is well fit an' buff. Not like Amy Winehouse. She mings bad an' is well nasty. She wants to get over it. I'm totally up for it though an' I'd do her if it came my way an' that. Laters!"

I'm not sure if any of this implies that he actually likes the song or not.

[iexpectu2die]

The official website for the song, http://www.thirdmanrecords.com/, states that it is "available digitally worldwide 19th September". Which is today.

So - where to download?

[Vauxhall]

The Independent reviews 'Another Way to Die'

First Listen: Another Way To Die, James Bond Theme, Jack White and Alicia Keys (Rated 3/5)

Bond gets the better of White and Keys

The beefy guitar riff bursts in, followed by piano notes picking out the unmistakeable James Bond tune to announce the song that will have fans salivating for the next instal-ment of the 007 chronicles.

The months of speculation over the soundtrack to the forthcoming Bond film Quantum of Solace – released in six weeks – ended yesterday when the title track got its first airing on Jo Whiley's Radio One show.

Another Way to Die is the result of an unlikely duet – the first in Bond history – between a blues rock star and a soul singer. The White Stripes' idiosyncratic Jack White and the Grammy-winning singer Alicia Keys stepped in after a collaboration between Amy Winehouse and the producer Mark Ronson collapsed.

If the aim was to match the edgier, darker side of the agent captured by Daniel Craig, the song succeeds – from the piano which picks out the original Bond tune with a sinister twist, to the dark, fuzzy guitar riff that is instantly recognisable as belonging to White. What's more, their voices blend as they sing out alternate lines, the urgency of White's vocals and Keys' more powerful and accomplished voice first alternating, then simultaneous in the chorus.

But, as a song in its own right, Another Way to Die, on first hearing, sounds unlikely to join the ranks of the most successful Bond theme tunes.

Paul Stokes, the news editor of the New Musical Express, is yet to be convinced. "I thought their voices blended really well and they seemed to be quite different characters," he said. "But my concern is that it doesn't really feel like a Bond theme. It has the right chord progression and sinister sound, and is a million times better than the last one by Chris Cornell, which was not only the worst Bond song ever, but the worst song, so it's a step in the right direction. But it is a missed opportunity. It doesn't feel like a swelling Bond theme. It's making nods towards it, but just falls between doing something radical and not being retro enough.

"I'd prefer to see someone like Muse move it into a contemporary era, or the Last Shadow Puppets."

Some had already heard the tune to Another Way to Die on a Coca Cola Zero advert, prompting the displeasure of White, who has since suffered a fit of artistic pique. After the musician heard his notes pushing the virtues of "Bloke Coke", his entourage retorted: "Jack White was commissioned by Sony Pictures to write a theme song for the James Bond film Quantum Of Solace, not for Coca Cola... Any other use of the song is based on decisions made by others, not by Jack White."

Some very harsh comments about 'You Know My Name' from the editor of NME!

[zencat]

The official website for the song, http://www.thirdmanrecords.com/, states that it is "available digitally worldwide 19th September". Which is today.

So - where to download?

And where is the soundtrack? You'd think it would be available to pre-order by now?

[Royal Dalton]

Way too much free psychology on these boards.

You said it, Judo.

Now, tell me about your childhood...

[Tuxedo]

Another Way To Die. Truly. I´d rather Die Another Day.

[Judo chop]

Way too much free psychology on these boards.

You said it, Judo.

Now, tell me about your childhood...

Well for one, it seems to be carrying on well beyond its welcome, taking down many innocents in its wake.

Much like this thread.

[Publius]

I voted for "okay" in the poll, which means I'm relatively disappointed because I usually love Bond themes. Oh well. I'm sure this song isn't aimed at my tired old flappy ears anyway. With this in mind I played the song and showed this thread to my spotty nephew with a view to gaining the youth perspective. I think he said -

"Oh my god, no way blood! They're massively disrespectin' Jack an' everythin'. That is so random. They're tin' me. They're like well racist an' it's against his human rights. I'll cuss them up an' blank them man. That's actually like abuse. I'll ache their gay balls an' somethin'. That song is well hardcore. He sings up some good an' stuff isn't it?

Keys is well fit an' buff. Not like Amy Winehouse. She mings bad an' is well nasty. She wants to get over it. I'm totally up for it though an' I'd do her if it came my way an' that. Laters!"

I'm not sure if any of this implies that he actually likes the song or not.

By any chance, does your nephew go by the handle Mercator?



(No disrespect intended, Merc, you're just a challenge to figure out sometimes. )

[blueman]

Just like with movies, the first experience will tell you exactly how good it is. After that, your mind will be clouded.

Not really. Some movies/songs/etc. are "good" (or "bad") by virtue of their shock value, immediate impression, etc. Some get better when you see it or listen to it enough times that you start appreciating the nuances. And there are a number of other types. But I think it's a mistake to say that your first experience is the most (or even only) reliable, "objective" one.

Speaking with a clinical eye (yeah, I know that sounds just odd), I must say I agree with Publius

Another way to... think of it: if the opening statement were true, no one would ever have sex again after the first time. Right?

[Aris007]

The BBC radio Link doesn't seem to work!

Does anyone have another link?

[Gri007]

The Independent reviews 'Another Way to Die'

First Listen: Another Way To Die, James Bond Theme, Jack White and Alicia Keys (Rated 3/5)

Bond gets the better of White and Keys

The beefy guitar riff bursts in, followed by piano notes picking out the unmistakeable James Bond tune

Some very harsh comments about 'You Know My Name' from the editor of NME!

How does the piano notes pick out the Bond theme?

[Judo chop]

The Independent reviews 'Another Way to Die'

First Listen: Another Way To Die, James Bond Theme, Jack White and Alicia Keys (Rated 3/5)

Bond gets the better of White and Keys

The beefy guitar riff bursts in, followed by piano notes picking out the unmistakeable James Bond tune

Some very harsh comments about 'You Know My Name' from the editor of NME!

How does the piano notes pick out the Bond theme?

The first four notes of the piano riff copy the big trumpet blast in the Bond theme. <Da-dat, da-daaaah> Not the same rhythm, but the same intervals.

(Maybe it’s the first five notes even – can’t quite remember - but for sure the first four.)

[HildebrandRarity]

Where will the song chart?

I don't see the version that's out and about now doing well, chart wise.

Will it even make the top 40 in the US? UK is James Bond country so it could chart better there?

I still feel like the song needs to be re-mixed and Keys' vocals need to be brought forth more. The latest cut only has two solo lines by her...which is a shame really because her voice, along with the piano and White's drumming, is a highlight in a relatively 'weak' song (in my opionion) in the canon. I think re-working it could make it 'stronger' (in my opinion).

My view is that the version in the Main Titles will be slightly different and sound 'more friendly' to the masses. In fact i'm confident that, along with the visuals, it will be Fabulicious ™.

[DLibrasnow]

I think the people that say they love it are in denial. Their whole point is part of talking up the movie (which looks fantastic) and that's coloring their view of this completely naff piece of music.

Take off the rose-tinted glasses and look at it as you would any piece of music (as the generral public will) and you'll see just how bad it actually is. It's similar to the phenomenon we saw in 2002 and 2003 with all the people talking up Die Another Day after first seeing it and then voila, six months later they think it's terrible.

I've been vocal about my dislike of other elements in QoS (namely, Arnold and Dench). I don't need to force myself to like this just to promote the film. Hell, I was one of the staunchest proponents of CR, yet was "just okay" with YKMN when it first came out. It had to grow on me, whereas AWTD (the title of which, by the way, I was extremely critical of and took as a bad omen) is more my taste(s) in music and I loved it instantly.

Is there really a need to diagnose people you disagree with as having a mental illness?

Where in my post do I diagnose people as having a mental illness?