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[Col. Sun]

A silly thread idea, no? Why again so about not liking?

I think the most boring Bond is From Russia with Love but like everybody else Never Say Never Again is the worst Sean Connery 007.

It's not really a Bond film, is it?
Not proper Bond. No Bond theme, no M, no Moneypenny, no Q.

NSNA is a Bond film. Connery plays JB 4 the 7th time. The story is based on TB. It features M, Felix, Largo etc.

How is that not a Bond film?

[Mercator]

You know what I mean. No proper Bond film things. I did not feel it was Bond - just some old guy looking too old to play Bond.

[Jim]

Diamonds are Forever.

Have become fonder of Never Say Never Again over the years. Tat, obviously, but not unenjoyable tat. It's not a house rule to hate it; this isn't Eon Productions' CBn.

[DamnCoffee]

Have become fonder of Never Say Never Again over the years.

As have I. I've always disliked the movie greatly, but it seemed to have warmed to me lately. It's alot better than Connery's last official outing. At least in Never Say Never Again Bond played it straight and not for laughs. Plus it includes one brilliant line, which I am quite fond of...

"Oh Mr. Bond, I believe I'm having you in half an hour"
"Splendid! Your room or mine!?"

[Daddy Bond]

You know what I mean. No proper Bond film things. I did not feel it was Bond - just some old guy looking too old to play Bond.

Well, if EON's version of Bond is (to you) what Bond should be on film, then I understand. However, this was still Bond. In NSNA, Sean Connery was James Bond 007. The other elements that were "missing" are missing only insofar as EON has chosen to portray Bond on film.

[00Twelve]

Counting the EON films alone, You Only Live Twice.

Reception must have been great in Japan, because he was definitely phoning it in.

Har.

[Vauxhall]

It's not really a Bond film, is it?
Not proper Bond. No Bond theme, no M, no Moneypenny, no Q.

I agree that it's not a "proper" Bond film, but in it's defence it does feature M (Edward Fox), Moneypenny (Pamela Salem) and Q (Alec McCowen).

[DamnCoffee]

It's not really a Bond film, is it?
Not proper Bond. No Bond theme, no M, no Moneypenny, no Q.

If it involves a male actor in the lead role going by the name of James Bond in a serious movie, then I would say it was Bond. And M, Q and Moneypenny were featured.

[Colossus]

I wonder why people disregard movies like CR 54 and NSNA, they are like said straight attempts at a Bond movie. EON is not tantamount whether deciding if something is official or not. That term has no meaning really.

Whereas something like CR 67 is clearly a parody and is disregarded with seriousness.

[mister-white]

What is everyone talking about, YOLT is one of my personal favourites, maybe cause it's the first "classic" Bond that I ever saw (the first was TND- which is my favourite of Brosnan's). I would have to go with DAF, or if you're counting it, then NSNA is the worst.

[Mr. Blofeld]

What is everyone talking about, YOLT is one of my personal favourites, maybe cause it's the first "classic" Bond that I ever saw (the first was TND- which is my favourite of Brosnan's). I would have to go with DAF, or if you're counting it, then NSNA is the worst.

YOLT stunk; it was a blatant rehash of Dr. No, with only some warmed-over Connery and a huge-ȧss volcano set to provide it any stimulating nourishment.

[Safari Suit]

I wouldn't say it was a blatant rehash of Dr. No, because I never read or heard anyone say the same thing until you did!

Anyway, I watched Never Say Never Again again last night and this time thoroughly enjoyed it. Connery was still an impressive physical presence, and Semple's script is a witty example of his trademark "subversive" approach to established characters. That said, it is still rather cheap looking, and often poorly edited and claustrophobically staged.

[Mercator]

What is everyone talking about, YOLT is one of my personal favourites, maybe cause it's the first "classic" Bond that I ever saw (the first was TND- which is my favourite of Brosnan's). I would have to go with DAF, or if you're counting it, then NSNA is the worst.

YOLT stunk; it was a blatant rehash of Dr. No, with only some warmed-over Connery and a huge-ȧss volcano set to provide it any stimulating nourishment.

Never Say Never did not feel like a Bond film to me. Thet is liek saying thet Mission Impossible and other spy films are like Bond because they have spy and girls and locations. Bond is more then this, no? Only Connery fans like NSNA - not true Bond fans.

[O.H.M.S.S.]

Never Say Never Again might not be a great Bond film. But it was an ok film. Connery was clearly enjoying himself more than in Diamonds Are Forever. Edward Fox made a great M. And the villains were intresting (von Sydow and Brandauer). I would give it a 6/10. But it still remains one of the lesser Connery entries because of the wonderful sixties episodes.

[Col. Sun]

Never Say Never Again might not be a great Bond film. But it was an ok film. Connery was clearly enjoying himself more than in Diamonds Are Forever. Edward Fox made a great M. And the villains were intresting (von Sydow and Brandauer). I would give it a 6/10. But it still remains one of the lesser Connery entries because of the wonderful sixties episodes.

I'm a fan of NSNA, especially Drummond Grieves' excellent special edition in which he re-mixes the entire sound track replacing the original (and weak score) with official Bond music and themes - this alone transforms the film's feel and highlights the film's many strengths -- a great supporting cast, good locations -- a strong middle section in Monte Carlo -- witty dialogue and Connery on very fine form. He plays Bond as an older man, but a pro. He has tremendous grace, and still has an edge. He's not the young Bond of Dr. No. or FRWL, but clearly an older, slightly more relaxed Bond -- Connery allows the character to have matured gracefully. And so I really like his performance.

[Aris007]

Well aaccording to the age of Connery the plot and the locations, DAF is the worst Connery film. But I think that YOLT is worse than this. I don't know why. Maybe it's Japan and the awful films that are being filmed there that give the same awful thing to YOLT!

[dee-bee-five]

NSNA is a Bond film. Connery plays JB 4 the 7th time. The story is based on TB. It features M, Felix, Largo etc.

Everything you say is true. Alas, none of it prevents it being a grave-dancing abomination. But if we must count it as a Bond film, then it is clearly Connery's worst. By a long, long chalk.

What is everyone talking about, YOLT is one of my personal favourites.

Mine, too. I'd rate it far higher than the dreary Thunderball anyday.

[Vauxhall]

Never Say Never did not feel like a Bond film to me. Thet is liek saying thet Mission Impossible and other spy films are like Bond because they have spy and girls and locations. Bond is more then this, no? Only Connery fans like NSNA - not true Bond fans.

I don't think that you're in a position to make a pronouncement about what does or does not make a "true Bond fan". Some people like NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN, and some people don't. It's as simple as that, and the same as every other movie featuring the character "James Bond".

[DamnCoffee]

Never Say Never did not feel like a Bond film to me. Thet is liek saying thet Mission Impossible and other spy films are like Bond because they have spy and girls and locations. Bond is more then this, no? Only Connery fans like NSNA - not true Bond fans.

I don't think that you're in a position to make a pronouncement about what does or does not make a "true Bond fan". Some people like NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN, and some people don't. It's as simple as that, and the same as every other movie featuring the character "James Bond".

I quite agree. Bond is Bond to me. I try to support the franchise through anything, and that includes the unnoficial movies. Mercenator, it's not the case of not being a true Bond fan, it's the case of whether you like the movie or not.

[Col. Sun]

Never Say Never did not feel like a Bond film to me. Thet is liek saying thet Mission Impossible and other spy films are like Bond because they have spy and girls and locations. Bond is more then this, no? Only Connery fans like NSNA - not true Bond fans.

I don't think that you're in a position to make a pronouncement about what does or does not make a "true Bond fan". Some people like NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN, and some people don't. It's as simple as that, and the same as every other movie featuring the character "James Bond".

Totally with you -- Saying Bond fans don't like NSNA and only Connery fans like it, is just absurd.

Personally, I think NSNA has a better "classic" Bond feel than OP or AVTAK.

[Mercator]

But makes not sense, no? Then we ken have the Autstin Powers as the James Bond filme, no? I think Roger was better then Sean and Octopussy was better then Never Say Never Again. Most peoples do - Octopussy made the more money. I have the understanding that people felt Sean should not do another Bond but they wanted Roger so of his last filme, A View To the Kill, he did, no? I do not want to tell the other people of what to think but why did Sean do no more Bonds after NSNA?

[Publius]

Not proper Bond. No Bond theme, no M, no Moneypenny, no Q.

There is an M, Moneypenny, and Q. On the other hand, LALD was missing Q and FYEO was missing M. Are those not Bond films?

And what about Bond wasn't "proper"? I think you're allowing the absence of EON music and the EON gunbarrel/teaser/credits arrangement to cloud your judgment here. Not saying you can't dislike NSNA, but I wonder if your love of EON traditions overwhelms your ability to distinguish the character of Bond from how he's usually packaged.

I wouldn't say it was a blatant rehash of Dr. No, because I never read or heard anyone say the same thing until you did!

Actually, I agree with him. It's always felt to me like Dr. No Redux + a budget -- only they spent zero on graphics, although at least that's more than what they spent on them in DAF.

[Mercator]

Is silly to call You Only Live Twice like the Dr No, no? How so? It doesn't have three blind mice, no Honey Rider, no dragon tank, no steel hands and no Quarrel and no poisonous shoe. How the like the two films I have not the understanding of this. Is very silly, no?

[Vauxhall]

Is silly to call You Only Live Twice like the Dr No, no? How so? It doesn't have three blind mice, no Honey Rider, no dragon tank, no steel hands and no Quarrel and no poisonous shoe. How the like the two films I have not the understanding of this. Is very silly, no?

The poisonous shoe is in FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE.

Do you not see similarities in the plots of the two movies?

[Mercator]

Sorry, I thought for to write spider. No, how is similar? When I have the Dr No seen I do not think it is YOLT 2! This is the silly. Who says this apart from the thread on this just a few peoples.

Edited by Mercator, 29 July 2008 - 08:02 PM.

[Publius]

Is silly to call You Only Live Twice like the Dr No, no? How so? It doesn't have three blind mice, no Honey Rider, no dragon tank, no steel hands and no Quarrel and no poisonous shoe. How the like the two films I have not the understanding of this. Is very silly, no?

You're confusing the specifics of each film (which are obviously different) with the overall similarities in terms of plot. YOLT is the first film since Dr. No to feature a space-centric plot and the villains in both were secretly interfering in American rocket flights. I never said the two were identical, but I've always gotten the impression watching the two that ideas were few and far between in 1967, leading to much scavenging.

Sorry, I thought for to write spider. No, how is similar? When I have the Dr No seen I do not think it is YOLT 2! This is the silly. Who says this apart from the thread on this just a few peoples.

It's more like YOLT being Dr. No 2, which makes more sense when you consider their release dates.

[honour]

DAF(though as Bond films go, it isn't the absolute worst )

Edited by honour, 29 July 2008 - 08:23 PM.

[Mercator]

Is silly to call You Only Live Twice like the Dr No, no? How so? It doesn't have three blind mice, no Honey Rider, no dragon tank, no steel hands and no Quarrel and no poisonous shoe. How the like the two films I have not the understanding of this. Is very silly, no?

You're confusing the specifics of each film (which are obviously different) with the overall similarities in terms of plot. YOLT is the first film since Dr. No to feature a space-centric plot and the villains in both were secretly interfering in American rocket flights. I never said the two were identical, but I've always gotten the impression watching the two that ideas were few and far between in 1967, leading to much scavenging.

OK but one is in Jamiaca and one is in Japan. One has lots of gadgets one does not. One has young Sir Connery, one has old.

Diamondfieber is Dr NO 3 then? Moonraker, Dr No 4, Goldeneye Dr No 5? Die Anther Day Dr No 6? Maybe all Bond filme copy each other. Maybe all Bond films underwater or with snow are having the sequals.

Next you will say Spy Who Loves Me is like You Only Live Twice, no? Which makes it like Dr No! Is silly thing to say, really, no?

Edited by Mercator, 29 July 2008 - 08:48 PM.

[BoogieBond]

Next you will say Spy Who Loves Me is like You Only Live Twice, no? Which makes it like Dr No! Is silly thing to say, really, no?

Erm ... Sort of.

The plot device of kidnapping a rocket in YOLT and then turning the same trick on submarines for "Spy" has been suggested, in some circles to be a YOLT remake.
But, theres enough differences.... erm... Hopefully. No Bond going Japanese, no Ninja stuff, No faked death, and I can't remember Bond mentioning Duck once

[DamnCoffee]

Next you will say Spy Who Loves Me is like You Only Live Twice, no?

Well actually, the producers did intend to set out and remake You Only Live Twice with The Spy Who Loved Me. Plus it has the same director...