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#91 ACE

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 11:54 AM

You're wrong by all means... B)

No, seriously, I realise there's an ocean of difference between a screenplay being developed and a screenplay being made and I doubt this will see the light of day soon but there are several distinguishing features:

1 Leonardo DiCaprio's company is developing it. Now, they must have a bunch of screenplays they are working on but the fact that Appian Way has it must improve its odds of fruition.

2 A screenplay exists. Money has been spent obtaining underlyng rights and converting them into a screenplay. That screenplay is being actively developed. In the past (post NSNA), McClory's announcements were self-serving with no sense of any development having taken place (bar the Sony episode).

3 It appears a major studio is somehow linked to this (Warner Bros.). This is not a small, independant producer trying to huckster backing for his/her product.

From what I understand, this is going down the Jason Connery as Fleming-bio route of being a quasi-Bond film. If true, it's a shame because I prefered Charles Dance as Fleming in Goldeneye (1989) - a lovely, resourceful, TV film that could have benefited from a bigger budget.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 12:08 PM

From what I understand, this is going down the Jason Connery as Fleming-bio route of being a quasi-Bond film. If true, it's a shame because I prefered Charles Dance as Fleming in Goldeneye (1989) - a lovely, resourceful, TV film that could have benefited from a bigger budget.


While you're certainly right about the oportunist Connery project, those of us who can remember the original broadcast of "Goldeneye" - back in the day of only 4 TV channels in the UK and NO Sky - don't exactly recall it as a gritty biopic, either. :tdown:

Didn't Charlie Dancy actually do "Gunbarrel" scene in a doorway? :)

B) :tdown:

#93 Zorin Industries

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 12:12 PM

From what I understand, this is going down the Jason Connery as Fleming-bio route of being a quasi-Bond film. If true, it's a shame because I prefered Charles Dance as Fleming in Goldeneye (1989) - a lovely, resourceful, TV film that could have benefited from a bigger budget.


Yes, that is a shame and what would worry me. Because Fleming the man (from the scant details I know) was probably more interesting because he was NOT James Bond. I.e. he may have allegedly had a bit on the side, but that need not be played out in a biopic as if 007 has a bit on the side.

The Jason Connery biopic is story-lite to say the least. I remember the Charles Dance version being a lot more nuanced, a bit sadistic, almost kinky in parts (well certainly not afraid to hint at the sexual proclivities of the author and his subject) and dwelling on the process of being a writer with foibles in the 1950's rather than being a knowing look-back via the James Bond prism.

I think the THUNDERBALL rights saga could make an okay 60 min BBC Four drama, but not sure it would be all that interesting to the wider audience. But it would only be a certain thread in this DeCaprio project granted.

It's very hard for these behind the entertainment biopics to find a hook both structurally and emotionally in which to make the film stand alone. THE LIFE AND DEATH OF PETER SELLERS works very well as it realises the screen personalities of the man were what drove him in real life (to detrimental effect). There was a great ITV drama around 2000 (and repeated last year on BBC2 oddly) called COR BLIMEY that was about behind the scenes on the CARRY ON films and was a very successful and stinging look at Sid and Babs. That worked because it knew the films and their creatives were not actually one in the same - which was the lesson the characters had to learn and realise. I'd recommend it. Though a costume dresser in the piece erroneously says in 1974, "I'm doing a James Bond film next week...they're flying me to Tokyo".

With this Fleming project I just fear some cheap-shot homage-fest. The nods to the screen version of James Bond (apparently they made a few of those Jim Bond secret agent films...a dozen last I heard...) need almost not emerge until the closing reels. But no doubt every women Fleming crosses will be a vamp, every car will have an additional button installed, every barman will know his order and every fight scene will be over-edited (!).

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 12:22 PM

Well, Goldeneye '89 wasn't what it could have been but compared to The Secret Life Of Ian Fleming, twas a whole lot better. Great cast, great score. Sure, took many liberties (think any biopic will) but did give a sense of the man, his marriage and his worldview.

David, can you tell me what "VHS" was? And the "Test Card"? And "Spangles"? And what a "union" and a "strike" was? And what a re-release was - I thought it was summat to do with pictures but my girlfriend told me.... B)

Zorin Industries, the life of Ian Fleming is way more than the Thunderball rights saga.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 12:39 PM

Zorin Industries, the life of Ian Fleming is way more than the Thunderball rights saga.

I know.

I was on the phone as I was typing trying to get my Directors Cuts of DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER and MOONRAKER on Beta, but Rumbelows is not answering the phone. Thank God I have my CBS FOX copy of NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN (complete with compulsory pan and scan option) to watch in the meantime.... Failing that I've got KRULL and HAWK THE SLAYER on the Video Collection label to kill a few hours with. I love all those adverts for upcoming films like GANDHI, STIR CRAZY and STAND BY ME.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 12:48 PM

Zorin Industries, the life of Ian Fleming is way more than the Thunderball rights saga.

I know.

I was on the phone as I was typing trying to get my Directors Cuts of DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER and MOONRAKER on Beta, but Rumbelows is not answering the phone. Thank God I have my CBS FOX copy of NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN (complete with compulsory pan and scan option) to watch in the meantime.... Failing that I've got KRULL and HAWK THE SLAYER on the Video Collection label to kill a few hours with. I love all those adverts for upcoming films like GANDHI, STIR CRAZY and STAND BY ME.


Oh, that must have been when I was in Wimpey having a minced-beef pattie sandwich after I'd got my new Dunlop tennis shoes from Woolworths. I was so looking forward to seeing that English blockbuster film starring Robin Asquith at the ABC Granada cinema a few minutes walk from the council house in which I lived. It reminded me to get some more typewriter ribbon and to return the Corona fizzy pop bottles to Mr Smith's newsagent (who is looking quite gay after Mrs Smith had their son, Reginald). Y'know the one on the local shopping parade next to Mr Lamb and Son, the butcher, Mr Miller and Family, the baker, and Mr Greene and Co, the greengrocer. They are all next to the cinema, which is bedecked with front-of-house stills. Oh, that Busby billboard reminds me I must write a letter to the GPO to fix my telephone and telex machine even though it is half day closing on Wednesday.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 01:02 PM

David, can you tell me what "VHS" was? And the "Test Card"? And "Spangles"? And what a "union" and a "strike" was? And what a re-release was - I thought it was summat to do with pictures but my girlfriend told me.... :tdown:


I was SIMPY trying to suggest it was a while since I had seen it (as in, on its release night) and that I didn't recall it being particularly serious, nor free of unneccesary Bondian associations.

Hence, my remark about recollection of the "Gunbarrel" in the doorwary. :)

Smart-B). :tdown:

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 01:06 PM

I were only havin' fun, David!

You know they had a free DVD of it in a paper last year?

Yes, and there was a "gunbarrel" in a doorway.

I love the fact they shot it at Goldeneye and the casting was quite good. See Julian Fellowes as Noel Coward?

I'm off to listen to some cassettes now!

When you get to my age, David, you'll realise life taint all computer games and t'Internet!

B)

#99 Zorin Industries

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:55 PM

Zorin Industries, the life of Ian Fleming is way more than the Thunderball rights saga.

I know.

I was on the phone as I was typing trying to get my Directors Cuts of DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER and MOONRAKER on Beta, but Rumbelows is not answering the phone. Thank God I have my CBS FOX copy of NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN (complete with compulsory pan and scan option) to watch in the meantime.... Failing that I've got KRULL and HAWK THE SLAYER on the Video Collection label to kill a few hours with. I love all those adverts for upcoming films like GANDHI, STIR CRAZY and STAND BY ME.


Oh, that must have been when I was in Wimpey having a minced-beef pattie sandwich after I'd got my new Dunlop tennis shoes from Woolworths. I was so looking forward to seeing that English blockbuster film starring Robin Asquith at the ABC Granada cinema a few minutes walk from the council house in which I lived. It reminded me to get some more typewriter ribbon and to return the Corona fizzy pop bottles to Mr Smith's newsagent (who is looking quite gay after Mrs Smith had their son, Reginald). Y'know the one on the local shopping parade next to Mr Lamb and Son, the butcher, Mr Miller and Family, the baker, and Mr Greene and Co, the greengrocer. They are all next to the cinema, which is bedecked with front-of-house stills. Oh, that Busby billboard reminds me I must write a letter to the GPO to fix my telephone and telex machine even though it is half day closing on Wednesday.

The new Asquith film is out?!! Photoplay never said...

#100 Safari Suit

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 05:29 PM

I think ACE is wrong, I think Robin's quit making films because he's making a sitcom for ITV called Bottle Boys. He plays a milkman it it. I think it's going to be the bestest sitcom EVER, even better than George and Mildred! I hear he meets the PM, Mrs. Thatcher, in one episode. Good old Maggie, she really looks after us working men, especially miners. Now if you excuse me, I have to drive my little brother off to an audition for a programme on that new fangled Channel 4 thing. I think it's called Minipops.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 05:55 PM

From what I understand, this is going down the Jason Connery as Fleming-bio route of being a quasi-Bond film.


That's my understanding, but I'm trying to believe someone will see the light and abort that idea.

#102 ACE

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:53 PM

BTW, Safari Suit, does your username hear boast of your fashionable threads? I am jealous, if it does. I hope your suit is grey viscose like Roger's in that upcoming Bond film they say is set in Rio, For Your Eyes Only. It's definitely gonna be Roger's last 007, though I don't fancy its chances against that Lew Grade movie, Raise The Titanic. By George, we'll show those Americans how to make hit films. Oh yes, my priest takes a great interest in watching Minipops. Yes, Maggie is good old bird - bet she makes a nice cuppa tea for the Cabinet. I'm going to take plenty of one pound notes with me to the Midland Bank to get them changed into Rhodesian rands for my holidays. I had been saving for a new controler for my Atari home video games console. At least I get a full grant for university (I'm in my fifth year - failed the first two but hey, got my grant paid anyway) which I shall spend on Skol necked down in dimple pint pots nicked from my lunch time shift at The Royal Oak before it closed for the afternoon. Anyway, a pint is better than Panda Pops mixed with Space Dust. My mate Nigel did that and he exploded!

I agree K1Bond007, let someone please make a great Fleming biopic. Actually some of the territory was covered in DeNiro's film, The Good Shepherd. I can imagine the visual sense of Capote mixed with a WW2 spy drama would be good. If DiCaprio can do an English accent, he might be box office as Fleming. Bit of make up and presto!

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 12:43 AM

I am wondering how McClory would fit into a WWII quasi-Bond movie. I guess he will be part of some sort of framing material or flash-forward?

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 06:22 AM

Mc Clory, huh? Will there also be Saltzman and Broccoli then?
It would be great if they show filming some classic scene from DN with some young Connery lookalike. And - my favourite - Sean Connery himself as James Bond the ornitologist, saying the trademark line once again... Hello, my name is Bond, Jamesh Bond! Mr Fleming, who told you you can uzh my name for thish shpy character?

Edited by Krilencu, 13 March 2009 - 06:23 AM.


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Posted 13 March 2009 - 11:47 AM

I think ACE is wrong, I think Robin's quit making films because he's making a sitcom for ITV called Bottle Boys. He plays a milkman it it. I think it's going to be the bestest sitcom EVER, even better than George and Mildred! I hear he meets the PM, Mrs. Thatcher, in one episode. Good old Maggie, she really looks after us working men, especially miners. Now if you excuse me, I have to drive my little brother off to an audition for a programme on that new fangled Channel 4 thing. I think it's called Minipops.

Tell him to show a bit of leg. My neighbour's in it and she's getting so much fanmail from older men who wouldn't normally tune in...

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 12:02 PM

May I surgest Tilda Swinton for the part of Ann Fleming. And myself as an Extra........PM me if you require my services B)

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 07:23 AM

I can“t found a website of The Appian Way. Is it en vogue now to have no site or am I only not able to find it?

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 12:36 PM

There isn't a need for all production companies to have web sites - you don't see an official site for Eon do you?

It would only invite too many fan boys asking questions, sending scripts, asking for a job, etc. etc.

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 07:27 AM

Oh, I forgot this fan boy vermin. All those average men, who in the movies can achieve everything, but in reality Hollywood only wants to be ticket-bying popcorn-munching cattle.

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 08:28 AM

To return to topic: What do you think about Craig as Fleming? I guess it would be nice to see him acting both the creation and the creator.

Inspired by the design of the Bond 23 CBn-site, I did some photoshop the other day: Click. B)