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[stamper]

My dear quantum, it's all about facts. The first CR DVD had to be done and finished BEFORE the movie came out. There was no way the filmmaker could have fitted any time and work into extra bonuses then. That's the way it goes... No one forces you to rebuy, you can always sell the old one to get the new one, or not get it.

[DamnCoffee]

Just reading the article on the main page and I was struck by Campbells "Certainly I have to OK the scenes that have been cut out..." does this mean that he's putting scenes back into the movie? or the special features.... I'm hoping for the first option.

[Blonde Bond]

I would welcome an extended edition, with some scenes inserted back in the movie.

And hey, they could always give the option to the viewer. Either watch the movie's extended version or the original theatrical release. It's not like this hasn't been done before with other movies.

[Byron]

Well, we'll see just how much bonus material they actually put into this one. It's going to have to be a lot to justify purchasing the film again.

I'm really hoping to see a lot of new scenes with Bond and Vesper, and the expanded PTS as well. Also, the TV spots need to be included, as well as trailers and more behind the scenes material. And, last but not least, Daniel Craig's screen test would be great to see, although I'm sure that it's just like the rest of the screen tests in that we'll never get to see it.

I'm in agreement with TDalton. I sincerely doubt we will see even half of what people here have posted as deleted scenes.

[DamnCoffee]

I really do hope we get an Extended Version of Casino Royale!

It would be great to get a "Director's Cut" with all the missing footage restored, although I suppose as long as all the deleted scenes are included as special features, I'll be satisfied.

Agreed. An Extended Version or a Director's Cut of CASINO ROYALE would be great. I doubt that it will arrive in this form, but it would be great if it did.

I would adore a CASINO ROYALE: EXTENDED CUT. Odds are we'll never see one, but it would be a nice move. I'd love to see how the film would play with some of these missing bits and pieces.

I said... I'm all for this.... but do you think David Arnold would create new music? Because since the scenes will be just dumped in... I'm sure they'll effect the score.

[Shamelord]

No chance of a director's cut (when a Bond movie was ever re-released as a DC ?

I don't think you get the point here.

There won't be any director's cut because the movie we have IS the Direcor's Cut. Martin Campbell said so many times. All the cut material was cut for pacing reasons and it will be present on the new DVD only as a bonus. But count on the efforts of the people of fanedit.org or the likes to put this stuff back in one edit and give us a whale of a movie with bad pacing.

When I see Casino Royale I always think that it is the right lenght and that longer would not necessarily be better.

[Simon]

Hell of a list of exras there fellas - well done on the tracking and compiling.

As for respect for people who buy twice, no one is forcing one to buy twice. It has been fairly well documented from the start that there would be a fuller DVD in the future.

To this end, I did not buy from a shop, but I did recently buy a second hand copy of CR off ebay. This only if you do not like the idea that shop purchases will be sending money towards the studios.

This 3-disker is probably also due for release in June because they will stick the newly released QoS trailer on it.

[Sanchez]

I assume that this re-release will also be available on "Blu-Ray"? Can anyone confirm please?

[DamnCoffee]

I assume that this re-release will also be available on "Blu-Ray"? Can anyone confirm please?

I sincerely hope so.

[stamper]

QOS is back to MGM, it's not the same studio anymore.

[doubler83]

The first release was a joke. They had the cheek to release a 2-disc "collector's edition" version when everybody knows they could have fit everything onto 1 disc. Does that mean my original "collector's edition" is now worth quite a sum of money? Doubt it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they half filled the discs on this new release too. They're going to have to pull the stops out on this release to make me buy it again.

[Qwerty]

I assume that this re-release will also be available on "Blu-Ray"? Can anyone confirm please?

Hasn't been confirmed yet, but I'd say it's fairly likely.

[stamper]

What ? I'm sorry some people here needs to do their maths. You don't fit 7,5 gb + 3,8 gb of disc = 11,3 gb of material onto a dual layer 8 gb disc without seriously compromising the main feature presentation and damaging both the image and the sound quality. The first release (which, once again, was completed BEFORE THE MOVIE RELEASE IN THE THEATERS) was no joke, it was adequate.

They're going to have to pull the stops out on this release to make me buy it again.

I don't think they have decided on that release just to sell one copy to you, with all due respect

[Jim]

I'm going to watch every film I see from now on by illegal download. They could have released this as the first DVD. They show me no respect so I have none for them.

Are you suggesting this move wasn't predictable and obvious?

Oh look, a Catholic Pope.

Advice about water: it's wet. Advice about bears: they tend to poo in forests.

[craigbegins]

Brilliant news! Wasn't expecting it this early Will hopefully help fill in the gap between now and QoS!

[Double-0-Seven]

Just reading the article on the main page and I was struck by Campbells "Certainly I have to OK the scenes that have been cut out..." does this mean that he's putting scenes back into the movie? or the special features.... I'm hoping for the first option.

As much as I would love the first option, I think he's referring to the second option. I think he just means that not every single little thing that was cut is going to be included.

While an extended edition would be awesome to see, I unfortunately doubt that it's going to happen. I would love to be proved wrong though. That being said, if they did release an extended edition, I would hope they would also include the theatrical version to give us the option of watching the film in either form.

This 3-disker is probably also due for release in June because they will stick the newly released QoS trailer on it.

Good point. That seems like the most likely reason.

[Harmsway]

While an extended edition would be awesome to see, I unfortunately doubt that it's going to happen. I would love to be proved wrong though. That being said, if they did release an extended edition, I would hope they would also include the theatrical version to give us the option of watching the film in either form.

Agreed.

If they don't release an extended edition (and it doesn't seem likely that they will), I'm sure some enterprising Bond fans could bring it upon themselves to edit together a working "extended cut."

[stamper]

I fear this may be another "Bourne files" like release

ie "Bond files"

Bourne files was a triple double dip set

Bourne 1 + 2 + bonus disc of little or no interest, just released to get some mini posters in the stores racks.

An all-new Bourne Triple Pack to coincide with the theatrical release of The Bourne Ultimatum!

The Bourne Files bonus disc features extensive documentaries including an insight into the author of the Bourne novels, Robert Ludlum, and the developing of the character of Jason Bourne.

Bourne Files Bonus Disc Includes:

The Bourne Ultimatum Sneak Peek (2:16)
The Ludlum Identity (12:45)
The Ludlum Supremacy (12:38)
The Ludlum Ultimatum (23:53)

[doubler83]

I don't think they have decided on that release just to sell one copy to you, with all due respect

And I don't think that I'm the only person who is sick of Hollywood studios releasing inferior DVDs, only to release a more superior, or supposedly superior DVD, six months later (obviously a bit longer in this case). Yes, this move may have been predictable and obvious, but it still doesn't make it right.

Hollywood wonders why so many people download films illegally. This is one of the reasons. They're sick and tired of being financially raped.

Why was it so important to have the original CR DVD ready before the film hit the theatres? I mean, come on, I would really like somebody to explain that to me, because I must be missing totally simple here. It makes no sense at all. The film could have massively bombed at the box office. Nobody might have wanted the DVD.

If your DVD isn't finished properly, DON'T RELEASE THE DVD UNTIL IT IS. It's very simple logic. Obviously this being business, they got to make their money somehow, right? Of course, let's rip off the little man.

Future note to Hollywood studios: Start releasing various versions of DVDs on the same day, not at six monthly intervals. Release bare bones editions, release "jam-packed" 2 disc editions and release "complete" 3 disc editions, and actually give people the choice at the time. Stop lining your own pockets and start thinking about the people who actually do line your pockets with all that moolah.

Rant over.

And after it's all said and done, I probably will buy the new version. More fool me.

[Jim]

I don't think they have decided on that release just to sell one copy to you, with all due respect

And I don't think that I'm the only person who is sick of Hollywood studios releasing inferior DVDs, only to release a more superior, or supposedly superior DVD, six months later (obviously a bit longer in this case). Yes, this move may have been predictable and obvious, but it still doesn't make it right.

Hollywood wonders why so many people download films illegally. This is one of the reasons. They're sick and tired of being financially raped.

That suggest an absence of consent. Presumably you were under no obligation to buy the first version. I haven't (yes, well done me). It's only a film. Why not wait?

Why was it so important to have the original CR DVD ready before the film hit the theatres? I mean, come on, I would really like somebody to explain that to me, because I must be missing totally simple here. It makes no sense at all. The film could have massively bombed at the box office. Nobody might have wanted the DVD.

Those who know these things may provide more guidance, but I suspect this sort of thing takes quite a long time to produce.

If your DVD isn't finished properly, DON'T RELEASE THE DVD UNTIL IT IS. It's very simple logic. Obviously this being business, they got to make their money somehow, right? Of course, let's rip off the little man.

Would probably lead to more piracy than less, I daresay. I suspect that the majority of people who bought Casino Royale the first time around will not buy it again. Probably aren't all that interested in sensibly deleted unscored scenes; it's just a Bond film.

Future note to Hollywood studios: Start releasing various versions of DVDs on the same day, not at six monthly intervals. Release bare bones editions, release "jam-packed" 2 disc editions and release "complete" 3 disc editions, and actually give people the choice at the time. Stop lining your own pockets and start thinking about the people who actually do line your pockets with all that moolah.

But wouldn't you say this keeps the currency of the film "live", over a period of time? After all, we're here typing away about the DVD release of a film that's eighteen months old and when it's released there will be threads about the various bits of PR tat that'll be on the discs; better to be talked about than not.

[Jim]

All of which observed, whether the observation was worth advancing, something has just dawned on me, probably long after it has dawned on everyone else, but it's a Bank Holiday weekend and I may have had one or two Ribenas.

You distribute your product for free, via Boxing Day showings of Octopussy, and create a million new addicts each time. Then, when they're hooked, you start charging them through the nose (no pun intended, however fine it may be) and they willingly pay for it.

We were warned. Live and Let Die was a documentary*. Dr Kananga's little scheme was the Eon business plan. They told us. They warned us. They rubbed it in our faces, maybe, but they did warn us. Oh, we've been so blind! We've had thirty-five years to prepare ourselves for this, that's a sod of a lot of warning... and yet we go once more to the dealer, cash in hand, for our fix. No good blaming the dealer for our addiction.

And each time that we queue up to buy, it's had something different cut into it; not baking powder or snot, but sneak previews and more PR documentaries about how everyone was just superfluffy. Same old product at heart, though.

And what are sites like this? Keeping the traffiking going, the innocent mules doing the work for them. Frankly it feels as if I have got a million condoms shoved up me jacksie, but that's possibly last night's Sainsbury's Taste the Difference Moussaka, the difference being between it and recognisable food.

*or an especially bitter satire about the relationship between television and the Bond franchise. By the Bond franchise people. That's real power for you.

etc.

P.S. When Barbara Broccoli buys a space shuttle, run.

[zencat]

If your DVD isn't finished properly, DON'T RELEASE THE DVD UNTIL IT IS. It's very simple logic. Obviously this being business, they got to make their money somehow, right? Of course, let's rip off the little man.

Future note to Hollywood studios: Start releasing various versions of DVDs on the same day, not at six monthly intervals. Release bare bones editions, release "jam-packed" 2 disc editions and release "complete" 3 disc editions, and actually give people the choice at the time. Stop lining your own pockets and start thinking about the people who actually do line your pockets with all that moolah.

Studios need to release a DVD of a movie within 6 months of a theatrical run. The consumer expects it. So they release as complete a package as they can, usually a disc with the movie, trailer, in-house promotional documentaries, and whatever else is finished. Then they get to work on a special edition and these take time. New documentaries are made special for these, even cut scenes need to go through processing (and even found). Proper commentaries also take time, and I like commentaries that are done with the hind site of time.

This is not necessarily a scam to rip people off. These special editions are released when they are ready. For those who want the movie, they have the movie fast and at a reasonable price. For those who want loads or extras...wait a year and we'll put together a mega package for you. Far from feeling ripped off, I love that we keep getting more, and I'll simply sell or trade in my old version and, in the end, probably only spend an extra $5 more for all the cool new goodies. Heck, I'd lay down $5 to just to watch a batch of cuts scenes once.

Think of this in the same way as book publishing (or anything that is a consumer product). Books go out of print, they sell out, and publishers need to reprint. This is same for DVD publishing. There comes time to restock the shelves, and they can do so with a reprint of the old edition, or they can do a nice new edition with new cover art and better binding, etc. This is not to screw people who bought the old book and "make them" double dip (why would you "need to" when you have the book), but to offer the best version possible for NEW buyers who come to the stores looking for this book.

Besides, offering a "new and improved" product is not a new concept. I don't know why people react with such surprise when this idea is applied to DVDs.

[Emma]

I won't be be buying this, it's a shameful and insulting money grab. I'll just wait until the invetible 'uncut' version of CR with the deleted scenes integrated into the film comes out.

[DamnCoffee]

I won't be be buying this, it's a shameful and insulting money grab. I'll just wait until the invetible 'uncut' version of CR with the deleted scenes integrated into the film comes out.

Could you atleast wait untill the special features are confirmed before you call it a "shameful and insulting money grab"? Your getting too ahead of yourself.

[Harmsway]

I won't be be buying this, it's a shameful and insulting money grab. I'll just wait until the invetible 'uncut' version of CR with the deleted scenes integrated into the film comes out.

I imagine no such "uncut" version will ever see the light of day. They've never done it with a previous Bond film, and it would be shocking if they did it now.

[Simon]

Then they get to work on a special edition and these take time. New documentaries are made special for these, even cut scenes need to go through processing (and even found). Proper commentaries also take time, and I like commentaries that are done with the hind site of time.

While I can agree with your argument presented here - otherewise deleted to save space - the 'taking time' bit can be questioned.

If a two-hour movie can be thrown together for a release date, then a one-hour documentary can be done for, really, the same release date.

TND was done, soup to nuts, between April and November. A doco could be done in a similar time span. Ask Apted, he did it with a movie calle TWODDLE.

The only thing I would entirely agree with is the 'hind site of time', but I think these days with tent pole pictures, all the pictures and opinions will be in the can by the time rolling is wrapped - the rest is editing time. And really, the rest of the time between the initial and the next DVD is marketing related.

[Emma]

I won't be be buying this, it's a shameful and insulting money grab. I'll just wait until the invetible 'uncut' version of CR with the deleted scenes integrated into the film comes out.

Could you atleast wait untill the special features are confirmed before you call it a "shameful and insulting money grab"? Your getting too ahead of yourself.

Clearly you must have more faith in the Corporate world not to want to make a profit from this. But I don't share your boundless optimism.

However my prediction is based on the fact that this has been done countless times before. I can guarantee you at some point and time there will be an uncut version of Casino Royale complete with deleted scenes released.

Edited by Emma, 23 March 2008 - 10:29 PM.

[Harmsway]

However my prediction is based on the fact that this has been done countless times before.

Never with Bond, though.

I can guarantee you at some point and time there will be an uncut version of Casino Royale released.

If we get the deleted scenes on this release (as it seems we will), an "uncut" version seems increasingly unlikely.

[Emma]

However my prediction is based on the fact that this has been done countless times before.

Never with Bond, though.

Just because it never has happened with a Bond film. Does not mean that it will not happen.

If we get the deleted scenes on this release (as it seems we will), an "uncut" version seems increasingly unlikely.

Of course. Because a DVD with deleted scenes has never been made into an uncut version before.

[Harmsway]

However my prediction is based on the fact that this has been done countless times before.

Never with Bond, though.

Just because it never has happened with a Bond film. Does not mean that it will not happen.

Naturally. But it does make it more unlikely, given that it would be a firm break with what EON has done so far. I can see them making it, but I don't think it's "guaranteed."

Because a DVD with deleted scenes has never been made into an uncut version before.

Indeed it has, but it's not such a common thing that it then makes it a definite for CASINO ROYALE, either. There are plenty of films that have not, and never will, receive extended treatments.