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[Jmart007]

Originally posted by solitaire
XXX2 will be a huge hit....clearing the way for XXX3:mad:....that's what young boys want these days:rolleyes:

That's true, but the box office numbers in the US show that people prefer James Bond than XXX.

XXX Domestic: $142,109,382
DAD Domestic: $160,933,087

XXX made over $44 million dollars for its opening weekend total, but then just kind of slowly faded away. XX2 (I predict), will probably make even less money, because some people out there didn't like the movie at all, and won't come back for the sequel. With XX2, you know what's going to happen. Obviously the same can be said with James Bond, but at least he is more entertaining. There are different stunts, different girls, and different locations. Same can be said for XXX, but the main problem with that movie was XXX was not a likeable character, James Bond is.

Another thing 007 has going for him, is a tradition of great films. Even though some people on the boards have thought the Brosnan films haven't been that great, the box office numbers disagree.

DAD Domestic: $160,933,087
TWINE Domestic: $126,943,684
TND Domestic: $125,304,276
GE Domestic: $106,429,941

DAD Adjusted for Inflation: Same
TND Adjusted for Inflation: $159,702,000 (And remember, it went up against Titanic)
TWINE Adjusted for Inflation: $146,185,000
GE Adjusted for Inflation: $143,130,000

DAD WWide (Not adjusted): $385,100,000
TWINE WWide (Not adjusted): $354,800,000
GE WWide (Not adjusted): $353,400,000
TND WWide (Not adjusted): $346,600,000

Even though I don't think Tamahori will direct XX2, because Rob Cohen and Vin Disel are close, (that's why Disel didn't come back for FF2, because Cohen didn't direct it) if he were to direct it, it wouldn't change anything. He is more suited to that kind of movie than he was to 007. 007 will always remain #1.

Here is the link for the complete 007 box office rankings.

http://www.boxoffice...ises/jamesbond/

[Roebuck]

Originally posted by Jmart007
the box office numbers in the US show that people  prefer James Bond than XXX.

XXX Domestic: $142,109,382
DAD Domestic: $160,933,087
 
XXX made over $44 million dollars for its opening weekend total, but then just kind of slowly faded away.

Yeah, but xXx cost something like sixty-two million less to make than DAD.
So we're saying (roughly) that xXx brought in more domestically than DAD cost to make, and that sixty-two million of that was profit. That may have been less than the producers had hoped for, but it's hardly a flop.

DAD, on the other hand, had an Oscar winning co-star and was backed by a huge media advertising blitz. Yet it only managed to top Diesel's film by around nineteen million?

[Triton]

Well I never thought of domestic and world-wide box office figures to be a very good measure of the entertainment value in a motion picture. Some of my favorite films totally flopped at the box office and some even forced the studio that made them into bankruptcy.

It's great to see the James Bond films make lots of money because I want Eon and MGM/UA to make more episodes of the James Bond series. But I would like to see and own more than 20 action adventure films. I hope that XXX2 will be more entertaining than the original film, at least they won't waste their time with the backstory of how Xander Cage was recruited by the NSA. Most of the time this backstory is really boring, why can't they just get on with it. Thank goodness the first Timothy Dalton film didn't explore James Bond's roots.

[Jmart007]

Originally posted by Roebuck


Yeah, but xXx cost something like sixty-two million less to make than DAD.
So we're saying (roughly) that xXx brought in more domestically than DAD cost to make, and that sixty-two million of that was profit. That may have been less than the producers had hoped for, but it's hardly a flop.

DAD, on the other hand, had an Oscar winning co-star and was backed by a huge media advertising blitz. Yet it only managed to top Diesel's film by around nineteen million?

Who said it flopped? My point was, more people I think are interested in James Bond than XXX. And of course its gonna have a huge media advertising blitz, its a James Bond movie. They have proven themselves over 40 years. XXX still has a long way to go, even though when you look at it, it probably gave Sony more money than DAD did with MGM.

Overall, I wouldn't be too worried about XXX taking the place of James Bond.

Triton- No one is stopping you from seeing more than 20 action movies. As a matter of fact, I would go see, Once Upon a Time in Mexico. That's a really good action film.

As for box office values judging the entertainment value, that wasn't my point at all. My point was that the numbers show that more people "seemed" to go see DAD than XXX, because it made 19 million more than XXX did, that's all. That must include people went to see it more than once. I agree with you fully that box office values don't judge how entertaining a film is, but if a movie makes a lot of money, people must have liked the film. Look at Speed 2. I liked that film, and it absolutely tanked. Other people must have liked the film, but not enough to make it a hit.

I too hope XX2 will be a better movie than XXX, just like I hope Bond 21 will be better than DAD.

Maybe it was a bad idea to show the numbers, but I thought it was a good idea, because I think some people on here are starting to panic that the 007 series is going down the tubes. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but I don't think it is. Like him or not, Pierce Brosnan is the reason why there is still a series today. The same could've been said for anyone who took over the role in 1994. People are still going to see these movies, and XXX, and Jinx, are not going to stop that. It would be the studio's fault for making people turn away from the series. I don't think they are stupid enough for turning a cash cow into nothing (again).

[Pussfeller]

Lee Tamahori... what's so great about him? DAD was forgettable at best, and the Great Tamahori didn't do a damn thing about it. This joker may find his place with xXx, though. Let's hope he sticks to brainless Hollywood sh** and keeps his ham-fisted style where it belongs.

Hey, maybe he'll take a crack at this Jinx film. Perhaps he can give it the high-brow wit of xXx.

[Roebuck]

Originally posted by Pussfeller
Lee Tamahori... what's so great about him? DAD was forgettable at best, and the Great Tamahori didn't do a damn thing about it. This joker may find his place with xXx, though. Let's hope he sticks to brainless Hollywood sh** and keeps his ham-fisted style where it belongs.  

Hey, maybe he'll take a crack at this Jinx film. Perhaps he can give it the high-brow wit of xXx.

Tamahori's turned out a couple of good pictures, but he's got himself lost in the Hollywood wilderness. I think he needs to get away from the big studios and do a small indie film with a solid script. Maybe that would help him get his head together again. Another brain-dead action flick is the last thing he should be setting his sights on.

[Jim]

Still, xXx2 (a slightly clumsy looking title, frankly) will probably make more money than Tomb Raider 2: Colon Bonanza (or whatever it was called)

(Zencat is in California. I am in Oxfordshire. Not even he can throw something at me from that distance.)

Enitrely possible that this whole Jinx film "thing" is designed to damage xXx2 and so they cancel each other out while the daddy of them all rumbles along to number 21. If so - fear not the Jinx film ye xXx haters - it may well be doing you a favour.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

no more damn tamahori

[SeanValen00V]

He might actually do a better job at XX2 then DAD, XX2 is supposley going in a different direction, and who knows what Bond producers and the script for DAD tinkered with his direction of DAD, I'm not saying it's definate, but XX2 can't be judged unti you've seen it.

[DLibrasnow]

Our newsroom just received a press release from the company handling casting for the upcomoing sequel to xXx. There are casting calls for those wishing to be in the movie in Baltimore and Washington DC this Thursday (Aug. 26).

[Loomis]

Be cool to meet Lee Tamahori. Not that extras would get anywhere near him, most likely.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Be cool to meet Lee Tamahori.

Yes it would. I'd compliment him for The Edge and promptly punch him in the ribs for the last Bond film.

[Johnboy007]

Funny, from what I gathered at Universal Studios, filming was already well underway.

Hmmf.

[DLibrasnow]

The Edge was a very good movie. Shame about Die Another Day.

[TheCheat]

i want to be in it!!!

doubt they would let me be an extra though

Edited by TheCheat, 23 August 2004 - 05:46 PM.

[Loomis]

I hope Tamahori does BOND 21 after XXX 2.

[TheCheat]

parts needed

"Mechanics, prisoners, prison guards, farmhands, NSA types, tactical NSA, FBI agents, cops, extras with cars, some with upscale cars, (can't be black, white, red, yellow or a neon color), SWAT team, bouncers, tough gangster types, hoochy women, tourists, business types

[Qwerty]

Be cool to meet Lee Tamahori.

Yes it would. I'd compliment him for The Edge and promptly punch him in the ribs for the last Bond film.

I'm sure you'd get through then.

[MillesGloriosus]

Is it true that Ice Cube is replacing Vin Diesel as xXx?

[Qwerty]

Yes indeed.

[Blofeld's Cat]

I hope Tamahori does BOND 21 after XXX 2.

XXI after XXX II, huh?

I loved Die Another Day so to me Lee did a good job, but can't see it happening somehow. If XXX II is a bigger hit than the 1st one I can see him doing XXX III.

[Qwerty]

I hope Tamahori does BOND 21 after XXX 2.

I know you loved Die Another Day, but he's one director I'd be way of. It might be better to see what he does for xXx 2 firstly.

[DLibrasnow]

Hopefully he will repeat the excellent job he did on ALONG CAME A SPIDER.

[1q2w3e4r]

Looking at his resume for films. One has to wonder if it's been his fault, Adapt and Spottiswoods fault that their films (in my opinion) have had major dramas.... Maybe its the producers.

But I remember him saying in an interview how happy he was about the added CGI. And he did say didn't he that he thought each actor played a different OO7?

Eh, someone should get down there regardless and have a go and getting in it, hell of a story!

[Icephoenix]

Tamahori has a good eye and a nack for timing. As long as he's only pointing the camera, I'm happy. Just keep him away from the story and production values.

[Qwerty]

Looking at his resume for films. One has to wonder if it's been his fault, Adapt and Spottiswoods fault that their films (in my opinion) have had major dramas.... Maybe its the producers.

His fault, it would be a mixed bag for Die Another Day then. What ideas or contributions Tamahori put into the plot, his thoughts on such things as CGI, etc.., could all abe considered.

[Glor (009)]

Filming has been going on for a while now. I was supposed to be an extra in Long Beach a few weeks ago but they ran out of non-union waivers and I'm not SAG. I think that was the first week of August. I was going to be a mechanic in a Ferrari shop so that would have been very cool. Oh well, maybe next time.

My guess for that ad is that they are looking for background players. It's not bad work but it's usually pretty hard to see yourself in the finished product.

[Qwerty]

Tamahori has a good eye and a nack for timing. As long as he's only pointing the camera, I'm happy. Just keep him away from the story and production values.

I doubt that will be the case for xXx 2, but we'll see.

[Von Hammerstein]

I can't see Ice Cube as xXx. I prefer Vin Diesel. Of course the same thing was said about Lazenby when he replaced Connery, and look how well that turned out.

[Qwerty]

I can't see Ice Cube as xXx. I prefer Vin Diesel. Of course the same thing was said about Lazenby when he replaced Connery, and look how well that turned out.

However...Sean Connery was good as Bond.

Vin Diesel on the other hand...