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[Red Barchetta]

The slide whistle for sure in TMWTGG.

Sheriff Pepper (gawds, what was EON thinking?!?)

Interior shots of the DB5 in GF with the sun visors removed, then showing the exterior shots with the visors in place.

The "...always wanted Christmas in Turkey" line in TWINE.

[00Twelve]

GF - The fact that I have to rationalize to myself Goldfinger's reasoning for giving The Villainous Monologue to a bunch of guys he was about to kill.

TB - The Disco Volante finale, sped up to the point of looking like cutouts of the actors being repositioned and shot at high speed.

YOLT - Sorry, Blofeld just lost about 100 cool points after revealing his long-awaited appearance.

OHMSS - The fourth wall line. Sure, it was cute. But I can't help it, it makes me wince. Also, some of the quick cut "suspense" editing. The biggest, most -inducing offender is when the cable car is about to run over Bond's hands.

DAF - Putter Smith. Also, the lack of revenge and casuality of Bond & Blofeld's relationship. Also, Putter Smith.

LALD - Overall lack of the source novel's tension and no shark attack for Felix

TMWTGG - J.W. Pepper. And that God-awful slide whistle.

MR - Jaws' goofiness. And his girlfriend. And the Bondola. And double-taking animals. And Corinne. And so on. And so on. And so on.

FYEO - The Maggie ending. And "a delicatessen in stainless steel." And the hockey scene. And Bibi.

OP - The tarzan yell. And basically, the whole jungle hunt scene.

AVTAK - Schhhhhedule.

LTK - Professor Joe, the wheelie, the happy ending, and the winking fish.

GE - The Experience Of Love.

TND - Carver. And the uninspired action. And the increasing cheese.

TWINE - Renard's heavy-handed and ultimately disappointing idiosynchracy, Bond's informed attribute of hating to kill in cold blood, Christmas, the ski parka, "meh" action, the final (lack of a) fight, and the closing line.

DAD - Madonna, no real change in Bond after the imprisonment, bad writing, and Jinx in general.

[DaveBond21]

GF - The fact that I have to rationalize to myself Goldfinger's reasoning for giving The Villainous Monologue to a bunch of guys he was about to kill.

I think this is simply Goldfinger showing off. What's the point of having a brilliant plan if you can't explain it to a literally captive audience?


One of mine is Sheriff Pepper reappearing in TMWTGG, and hanging around far too long.

[Daddy Bond]

GF - The fact that I have to rationalize to myself Goldfinger's reasoning for giving The Villainous Monologue to a bunch of guys he was about to kill.

I think this is simply Goldfinger showing off. What's the point of having a brilliant plan if you can't explain it to a literally captive audience?


One of mine is Sheriff Pepper reappearing in TMWTGG, and hanging around far too long.

Then again, I didn't like him in either LALD or TMWTGG.

[Mr_Wint]

1. The young boy and his father (TWINE).

They sat right behind me during the opening night... and had some pointless chit-chat during the whole film. Dam, that was irritating!

[LadySylvia]

DR - the bad dialogue, Honey's presence in the story and the "fake" spider attack

FRWL - Grant taking his time in putting on gloves before he can kill Bond, giving the latter a chance to gain consciousness.

GF - Goldfinger killing the Mafia bosses after revealing his plan regarding Fort Knox.

YOLT - Instead of killing Bond on the spot, Blofeld kills Osato and then forces Bond to move near to the monorail before attempting to kill the agent.

OHMSS - George Baker dubbing Lazenby's voice, while the latter was doing his Sir Hilary Bray impersonation.

DAF - A diamond smuggler like Tiffany Case knows all about Bond, who is supposed to be a SECRET agent.

LALD - Why would MI-6 be interested in some island diplomat from an obviously former French possession? And why would MI-6 and the CIA go through the trouble of blowing up Kanaga's poppy fields?

TSWLM - Stromberg's plot to take over the world.

MR - Drax's plot to take over the world; the finale space battle

FYEO - the pre-title sequence

OP - the Tarzan yell; Bond focusing on MI-6 employee's cleavage

AVTAK - the San Francisco police

TLD - The Aston-Martin, which seemed out of place in the story

LTK - Too many Sanchez henchmen

GE - the "Bond destroys villain's lair" ending that seemed out of place with the rest of the movie; Treveylan's dumb attempts to kill Bond

TND - the "Bond-by-the-numbers" plot

TWINE - the last 30 minutes and an over-the-top Elektra

DAD - the Ice Palace, the invisible Aston-Martin, the diamond-powered weapon, and Miranda Frost's missing common sense

CR - the identification of Bond as a "nameless and faceless MI-6 agent" in a news report

[coco1997]

DR - The overuse and inappropriate use of the Bond theme.

FRWL - Same as above.

GF - Bond being incapacitated and therefore quite useless for a large portion of the movie.

YOLT - Connery's lazy, baggy-eyed performance throughout the film. Also, Helga Brandt seemed like a waste.

OHMSS - Nothing here!

DAF - The travesty that this wasn't the film it should have been, especially in light of "OHMSS."

LALD - Kananga's lair in the end is a bit contrived and cheesy looking. Also, the boat chase could've used some more music.

TMWTGG - Mary Goodnight's character and the whole Solex agitator subplot.

TSWLM - The finale having been a major rip-off of "YOLT."

MR - Everything from the point Bond and Holly fire into space and onwards.

FYEO - I never much cared for the theme song.

OP - The Tarzan yell, also, Bond might've spoke one too many one-liners during the cart chase in New Delhi.

AVTAK - Everything but Christopher Walken and the title song.

TLD - The lack of scenes establishing Whitaker as a threatening villain.

LTK - The light-hearted, tone-reversing ending and "If You Asked Me To."

GE - Some shoddy model work.

TND - TThe "Bond meets Rambo" finale and the fact that they picked Sheryl Crow's theme over k.d. Lang's

TWINE - The last half and hour and the fact that Renard died after Elektra when it probably should've been the other way around.

DAD - Everything after the first sight of Iceland, as well as Madonna's theme.

CR - The fact that Bond was already up and banging with Vesper even though he's just received the most unbearable torture a man could possibly endure.

[Piz Gloria 1969]

DR - the bad dialogue, Honey's presence in the story and the "fake" spider attack (I think you mean "DN"....yeah spider thing was a bit hokey but it had comic relief w/o going too much overboard lol)


FRWL - Grant taking his time in putting on gloves before he can kill Bond, giving the latter a chance to gain consciousness (he underestimated Bond , as mnay do...no biggie really)

GF - Goldfinger killing the Mafia bosses after revealing his plan regarding Fort Knox (he wanted all profits to himself)

YOLT - Instead of killing Bond on the spot, Blofeld kills Osato and then forces Bond to move near to the monorail before attempting to kill the agent (again....underestimated and Blofeld knew he was ed anyway and got nervous)

DAF - A diamond smuggler like Tiffany Case knows all about Bond, who is supposed to be a SECRET agent (suspension of disbelief...Sir Roger has pointed out this sillyness before , old news

LALD - Kananga's lair in the end is a bit contrived and cheesy looking (looked low budget but I didn't really mind...low budget can still be decent)

Edited by Piz Gloria 1969, 27 November 2007 - 11:29 AM.

[Badfinger-Boogie]

GF - Bond being incapacitated and therefore quite useless for a large portion of the movie.

Well that did add to the realism of it.

[Fiona Volpe lover]

A fairly recent irritant for me is the poor back projection in some of the films,such as Miami in GF or almost any Roger Moore action sequence on a plane,train,cable car,etc. The odd thing is I never used to really notice it,[certainly not on TV or video], until the Ultimate Edition DVDs came out,maybe because the picture was restored so well the back projection is so much more obvious. Or maybe I'm just becoming fussy.

[DamnCoffee]

Moneypenny's smile to Bond after she says "What about the rest of you?" in For Your Eyes Only.

It's just so odd.

I know! She looks extremley wiered and slutty when she does that. That smile actually repulses me. Not that I have anything against dear Lois, god rest her soul.

[HH007]

I never liked how Felix Leiter just disappeared in CR. I thought he was supposed to take Le Chiffre into custody... what the hell happened there?! It's never explained. That always kind of bugged me.

[Vauxhall]

That also bugged me, but I'm clinging to the hope we may get an explanation in BOND 22. Not overly optimistic though!

[Daddy Bond]

Since we're picking on CR - one of the best Bond films ever - it still bugs me (a lot), when Vesper leaves the restaurant at night (after Bond has won the card game and they are celebrating), and (all of a sudden), Bond gets suspicious of Mathis - with no clear reason being given. Now, I know we can figure this one out - but it is sort of odd - I hope this gets a little explanation in Bond 22, such as Bond saying, "I grew suspicious of Mathis when..."

[00Twelve]

I never found it all that confusing. Mathis was the only one (well, Vesper was there, too, and that's why I think Mathis is really innocent) that Bond told about Le Chiffre's "tell". The fact that Le Chiffre used Bond's knowledge of the tell against him means that supposedly Mathis told him about Bond knowing. Bond doesn't put this together until that random moment at dinner. That's how I saw it, anyway.

[HawkEye007]

Let's see what kind of irritants I can think up!

Dr. No - The furry spider. The scene has a lot more tension in the book.
From Russia With Love - Klebb hitting on Tatiana during their breifing.
Goldfinger - Like someone else said, if Odd Jobs hat can cut off the statues head, why not Tilly's?
Thunderball - Also a favorite, the scuba masks changing color.
You Only Live Twice - When Bond picks a girl for his bath and Tiger exclaims, "She is very sexiful" I giggle like a school girl everytime i hear it.
OHMSS - Never knowing the name of the blonde guy who helps Bond out.
Diamonds Are Forever - Sean Connery looking kinda tubby.
Live And Let Die - The fake snakes.
TMWTGG - JW Pepper and the slide whistle.
The Spy Who Loved Me - The ticker tape watch.
Moonraker - Corinne Dufour, luckily she wasn't around long.
For Your Eyes Only - Q dressed up as an orthox preist.
Octopussy - Tarzan swinging and clowns. Man I hate clowns.
A View To A Kill - Scary Grace Jones manhandling old Roger Moore (shudder)
The Living Daylights - The couch that eats the Q Branch employee.
Licence To Kill - Timothy Dalton's high forehead and Dracula hair.
GoldenEye - Not seeing the Z3 in action. Heck, even some more driving would have been better.
Tomorrow Never Dies - The fat guy.
TWINE - Christmas Jones
Die Another Day - Bad 1 liners.
Casino Royale - Hmmm, I actually can't think of anything that irritates me in this one!

[HH007]

I never found it all that confusing. Mathis was the only one (well, Vesper was there, too, and that's why I think Mathis is really innocent) that Bond told about Le Chiffre's "tell". The fact that Le Chiffre used Bond's knowledge of the tell against him means that supposedly Mathis told him about Bond knowing. Bond doesn't put this together until that random moment at dinner. That's how I saw it, anyway.

I think for that it was when Vesper say Mathis's name and leaves. Then Bond thinks about it for a moment, thinks about who could've told Le Chiffre about the "tell", and arrives at Mathis.

Some things bother me. If it wasn't Mathis who told Le Chiffre that Bond knew his tell, the only other person of course could have been Vesper. But I thought Vesper wasn't black mailed into helping them until after Mr. White showed up and killed Le Chiffre. And wasn't Vesper being tortured by Le Chiffre's girlfriend? Also, the tracking device in Bond's arm. It's makes sense for Mathis to know about it, but how would Vesper? I mean, she is just an accountant, right?

[00Twelve]

Why would it make more sense for Mathis to know about Bond's tracking device than Vesper? To my knowledge, Bond never told Mathis it was there, and it doesn't sound like the kind of thing that he needed to know. Just me, though.

Also, I figured Vesper was working for the organization from the first time we see her, as in the book. I just figured that her blackmailing must have happened before the movie began. I don't know why, I always just figured that Vesper's kidnapping and her incarceration by Le Chiffre was done with his full knowledge that she was also working for White, and it was all a put on to coerce Bond into complying and giving up the code.

I love the little touch that after she puts in the password that's her name, she sits down and just puts her head in her hand, then is tearing up when she tells Bond what a man he is. I've always felt she's telling him that because she can't hide her betrayal from him forever, but has truly fallen for him and knows that he's fallen for her as well.

Anyway, hopefully it will be elaborated upon in Bond 22.

[HH007]

Why would it make more sense for Mathis to know about Bond's tracking device than Vesper? To my knowledge, Bond never told Mathis it was there, and it doesn't sound like the kind of thing that he needed to know. Just me, though.

Well, it would make more sense for Mathis to know about the tracking chip because Mathis is an intelligence agent and would therefore probably know about such things, whereas Vesper is an accountant who works for the Treasury, not MI-6 (So how would she know about it?).

Edited by HH007, 28 November 2007 - 06:48 PM.

[00Twelve]

Oh, I understand, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

The chip thing didn't seem like it was something usually given to operatives, unless they showed themselves to be loose cannons or security risks, as I'm sure Bond seemed to be near the start of CR. I dunno...it doesn't make sense for either of them really to have known about it. Maybe another viewing would help. It certainly couldn't ever hurt!

[Qwerty]

OHMSS - Never knowing the name of the blonde guy who helps Bond out.

Poor Campbell does seem to get a bad deal. Only in the film for a few shots before he's killed and we don't even catch his name.

[DaveBond21]

Also, I figured Vesper was working for the organization from the first time we see her, as in the book. I just figured that her blackmailing must have happened before the movie began. I don't know why, I always just figured that Vesper's kidnapping and her incarceration by Le Chiffre was done with his full knowledge that she was also working for White, and it was all a put on to coerce Bond into complying and giving up the code.

Yes, she was in on it before Bond meets her on the train.

I love the little touch that after she puts in the password that's her name, she sits down and just puts her head in her hand, then is tearing up when she tells Bond what a man he is. I've always felt she's telling him that because she can't hide her betrayal from him forever, but has truly fallen for him and knows that he's fallen for her as well.

I agree. She realises at that moment how much better Bond is, compared to all the other men who've been in her life recently.

[neversaynever]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='796600' date='21 November 2007 - 17:42'][quote name='Simon' post='796598' date='21 November 2007 - 10:38'][quote name='Judo chop' post='796560' date='21 November 2007 - 15:44']The horribly edited, stop-motion shot of the climbing doohickey breaking from the cliff wall in FYEO.[/quote]
You probably don't like the same editing technique for the steel cables snapping in the elevator shaft of AVTAK then.
[/quote]
I can

Edited by neversaynever, 29 November 2007 - 12:00 AM.

[DaveBond21]

[quote name='neversaynever' post='800046' date='29 November 2007 - 11:00'][quote name='Judo chop' post='796600' date='21 November 2007 - 17:42'][quote name='Simon' post='796598' date='21 November 2007 - 10:38'][quote name='Judo chop' post='796560' date='21 November 2007 - 15:44']The horribly edited, stop-motion shot of the climbing doohickey breaking from the cliff wall in FYEO.[/quote]
You probably don't like the same editing technique for the steel cables snapping in the elevator shaft of AVTAK then.
[/quote]
I can

[the villain's architect]

DN: Squeaking tires on a dusty road.

FRWL: The James Bond theme while searching the room.

GF: When Solo was dead, why take him to the junkyard and press him (Perhaps they wanted to press him alive but didn't dare to show that on screen?

[Zorin Industries]

Q) What are my Bond film irritations....?

A) Fans who are unable to view Bond films as what they were when they were first released. Gunbarrel logos not being quite "aligned properly"...actors not moving right...characters conveying exposition....? For God's sake, the films supposed irritations only become so when watched over and over.

But yes - Brosnan is over-posey in GOLDENEYE. But then the whole film feels like it was written by fans ticking boxes rather than moving the series on in any way respectful of the six year hiatus the series experienced. But then GOLDENEYE is what it was at the time - a piece of mid-90's mainstream cinema. You could level criticism at many cinematic efforts around that time...and indeed now. The difference is that many fans need to step back from their centres of attention - if only so debates about a fifty year old film franchise don't descend into "how maroon should the next gunbarrel be" and "how old were you when John Gardner was first interviewed in '007' magazine?". Whoops...they already have...

Edited by Zorin Industries, 29 November 2007 - 01:48 PM.

[Judo chop]

I could imagine there

[Daddy Bond]

Q) What are my Bond film irritations....?

A) Fans who are unable to view Bond films as what they were when they were first released. Gunbarrel logos not being quite "aligned properly"...actors not moving right...characters conveying exposition....? For God's sake, the films supposed irritations only become so when watched over and over.

But yes - Brosnan is over-posey in GOLDENEYE. But then the whole film feels like it was written by fans ticking boxes rather than moving the series on in any way respectful of the six year hiatus the series experienced. But then GOLDENEYE is what it was at the time - a piece of mid-90's mainstream cinema. You could level criticism at many cinematic efforts around that time...and indeed now. The difference is that many fans need to step back from their centres of attention - if only so debates about a fifty year old film franchise don't descend into "how maroon should the next gunbarrel be" and "how old were you when John Gardner was first interviewed in '007' magazine?". Whoops...they already have...

Well, actually, I think that most of us posting our minor irritants are not truly bothered by most of these insignificant little tidbits we are mentioning. We are mentioning them mainly for fun - that's all. True, there are a few significant irritants (like the slide whistle during the barrel roll in TMWTGG and the pidgeon double take in MR), but most of these little things are not really that important to us - they're just fun to mention.

Personally, I am a huge fan of classic movies (I have over 350 movies in my collection from the 30's, 40's and 50's) and have seen a couple of thousand classic films). I enjoy them and am able to accept them from the era in which they are made (with all of their technical shortcomings). My favorite TV shows are The Saint and Secret Agent/Danger Man, and Mission Impossible.

With that said, the gunbarrels in the early Bonds are some shoddy piece of work. Believe me, they had the technology to get the guy centered in the film and to improve the gunbarrels and make the hole in the gunbarrel match the film.

So, the word "irritant", although applicable in some casees, is being used very loosely in many instances - they are little things that we notice that kindof, sortof, in a very insignificant way bug us - but might not have any bearing on how much we like a movie. Other more significant irritants (like the pidgeon double take) - do effect opinions on a movie. For example, the crumby gunbarrel in GF doesn't stop me from thinkings it's one of the best Bond movies ever.

[HH007]

Q) What are my Bond film irritations....?

A) Fans who are unable to view Bond films as what they were when they were first released. Gunbarrel logos not being quite "aligned properly"...actors not moving right...characters conveying exposition....? For God's sake, the films supposed irritations only become so when watched over and over.

WELL I'LL TELL YOU WHAT REALLY IRRITATES THE HELL OUT OF ME! THE WAY THE MUSIC IN THE TITLE SEQUENCE OF DR. NO JUST AWKWARDLY SEGUES FROM THE BOND THEME TO "THREE BLIND MICE" IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAMN SEQUENCE!!! THAT JUST PISSES ME OFF SOOOOO MUCH, IT JUST MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL AND MY EARS BLEED! OH, I GET SOOOOO ANGRY JUST THINKING ABOUT IT (excuse me while I go kick my dog and break a few windows)!!! GOD!!! THE AGONY! I MEAN BOND NOT BEING CENTERED IS ONE THING BUT THE WHOLE MUSIC CHANGE OVER JUST PUTS IT OVER THE TOP!!! I HAVE YET TO SEE ALL OF DR. NO BECAUSE EVERY TIME I COME TO THAT PART I RIP THE DISC OUT OF MY PLAYER AND SMASH IT TO PIECES WITH A HAMMER BECAUSE I'M SO DAMN IRRITATED!!!



C'mon zorin, Daddy Bond is right, we're just doing this for fun. These little imperfections in the Bond films don't really ruffle our feathers that much (unless we're talking about Die Another Day).

[HH007]

Q) What are my Bond film irritations....?

A) Fans who are unable to view Bond films as what they were when they were first released. Gunbarrel logos not being quite "aligned properly"...actors not moving right...characters conveying exposition....? For God's sake, the films supposed irritations only become so when watched over and over.

WELL I'LL TELL YOU WHAT REALLY IRRITATES THE HELL OUT OF ME! THE WAY THE MUSIC IN THE TITLE SEQUENCE OF DR. NO JUST AWKWARDLY SEGUES FROM THE BOND THEME TO "THREE BLIND MICE" IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAMN SEQUENCE!!! THAT JUST PISSES ME OFF SOOOOO MUCH, IT JUST MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL AND MY EARS BLEED! OH, I GET SOOOOO ANGRY JUST THINKING ABOUT IT (excuse me while I go kick my dog and break a few windows)!!! GOD!!! THE AGONY! I MEAN BOND NOT BEING CENTERED IS ONE THING BUT THE WHOLE MUSIC CHANGE OVER JUST PUTS IT OVER THE TOP!!! I HAVE YET TO SEE ALL OF DR. NO BECAUSE EVERY TIME I COME TO THAT PART I RIP THE DISC OUT OF MY PLAYER AND SMASH IT TO PIECES WITH A HAMMER BECAUSE I'M SO DAMN IRRITATED!!!



C'mon zorin, Daddy Bond is right, we're just doing this for fun. These little imperfections in the Bond films don't really ruffle our feathers that much (unless we're talking about Die Another Day).

Lovely use of the word 'segue' there HH007, this is the second time I have seen this word on this forum. Very intellectual lot here on CBN, I must say.

Well, what can I say? I try.