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[LadySylvia]

I am really looking forward to the third Bourne movie. I'm already a major fan of the first two movies. Aside from Bourne being on the run from the CIA, the third one is about him learning about his past as David Webb and it is supposed to expose the creation of the Treadstone project. I was watching "Supremacy" a few days and to my surprise, I found myself crying around the end - especially with Bourne realizing how his ties to the CIA and Treadstone had led to the deaths of Marie and the parents of that Neski girl.

I notice that many here on the forum like to sneer at the Bourne movies. But without them, Broccoli and Wilson would have never considered changing the tone of the Bond movies with "Casino Royale". I thank Matt Damon, Doug Lyman and Paul Greengrass to their contribution to the continuation of the Bond franchise.

[killkenny kid]

Sneer at? I never sneer at........ok maybe I do. I'll stop.

[Roebuck]

There was brief footage of the filming of the Tangiers rooftop chase on Film 2007 last night. I suppose it will draw inevitable comparisons to the parkour sequence from Casino Royale, but it's the kind of action I'd come to associate from Bourne.

So you mean they're managing to rip off The Living Daylights and Casino Royale all in one scene?

Firstly, you could as well say Casino Royale ripped off Luc Besson's ''District 13''. Everybody's getting on the parkour bandwagon right now.

And in 007 action scene terms, the TLD roof chase is barely an afterthought. It's a Mooreism (no disrespect to the great man) that had no business being in a Dalton Bond. Time we saw it done properly.

[Bucky]

looking forward to this. hope they tone down the shakycam though. i know greengrass loves to use it but there are some times when he went too far in supremacy. in many of those scene not only did it not add anything to the scenes, especially the fight between him and the other agent in the house, but it actually took away from it

[Arch Stanton]

I notice that many here on the forum like to sneer at the Bourne movies. But without them, Broccoli and Wilson would have never considered changing the tone of the Bond movies with "Casino Royale". I thank Matt Damon, Doug Lyman and Paul Greengrass to their contribution to the continuation of the Bond franchise.

It may be true to some extent that Bourne's and other series' success helped EON make CR the way they did, but I look at it as Broccoli and Wilson recognising that the direction that they have always wanted to take the Bond series, and did to an extent with Timothy Dalton, has finally been accepted by the movie-going public. They see that the harder-edged spy fiction out there in the past 5 or so years, like Alias, 24, Bourne, etc., is being applauded. Now they can do what they've wanted to do and get their well-deserved (and belated) kudos. Michael Wilson was just ahead of his time back when they had Dalton, and from things I've read, even to the point where Cubby didn't let him go as far as he wanted at the time.

[dinovelvet]

There was brief footage of the filming of the Tangiers rooftop chase on Film 2007 last night. I suppose it will draw inevitable comparisons to the parkour sequence from Casino Royale, but it's the kind of action I'd come to associate from Bourne.

So you mean they're managing to rip off The Living Daylights and Casino Royale all in one scene?

Firstly, you could as well say Casino Royale ripped off Luc Besson's ''District 13''. Everybody's getting on the parkour bandwagon right now.

And in 007 action scene terms, the TLD roof chase is barely an afterthought. It's a Mooreism (no disrespect to the great man) that had no business being in a Dalton Bond. Time we saw it done properly.

Yes I know, I was just being snarky really, and commenting on how thing hsve changed a bit; at the time of DAD being released in the same year as the second Bourne, many people's attitude was that Bond was old hat and Bourne was the newer, cooler alternative. Yet one film later, the supposed cutting edge Bourne is doing something that Bond did first; if it is a true parkour scene, then audiences are going to take one look at it and remark that they're ripping off Casino Royale.

[LadySylvia]

Actually, while watching BOURNE SUPREMACY, I noticed that some of the scenes looked similar to CASINO ROYALE. And I doubt that BOURNE SUPREMACY had "ripped off" from the latest Bond film.

Edited by LadySylvia, 21 March 2007 - 05:17 AM.

[Loomis]

I notice that many here on the forum like to sneer at the Bourne movies.

Yeah. Their loss. Bourne rules. Bond rules. I love 'em both. To say that Bourne has had no influence at all on Bond (when I seem to recall Paul Haggis, for one, admitting that SUPREMACY did have an effect on CR - no source to cite for this, though, I'm afraid) would be as preposterous as the claim that the Bond series wasn't partly responsible in giving birth to Bourne.

I'm surprised that no one's pointed to the Paris car chase in IDENTITY and accused it of ripping off A VIEW TO A KILL.

As for ULTIMATUM, it's surely way past time for a teaser trailer. Come on, people, let's go.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Absolutely! WTF? Although I'm there opening night with Koolaid cup in hand regardless of trailors, positive reviews.

Bourne rules and Bond is back.Everyone wins.

[Loomis]

Absolutely! WTF? Although I'm there opening night with Koolaid cup in hand regardless of trailors, positive reviews.

Bourne rules and Bond is back.

Don't forget Rocky, Rambo, John McClane and Indiana Jones. I feel as though I've died and woken up in action franchise fanboy heaven.

[dodge]

Absolutely! WTF? Although I'm there opening night with Koolaid cup in hand regardless of trailors, positive reviews.

Bourne rules and Bond is back.

Don't forget Rocky, Rambo, John McClane and Indiana Jones. I feel as though I've died and woken up in action franchise fanboy heaven.

I agree. But I doubt Jaws_Dentist will approve of Bruce Willis' hair.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Absolutely! WTF? Although I'm there opening night with Koolaid cup in hand regardless of trailors, positive reviews.

Bourne rules and Bond is back.

Don't forget Rocky, Rambo, John McClane and Indiana Jones. I feel as though I've died and woken up in action franchise fanboy heaven.

I was with you until the mention of Indiana Jones. Ugh. I'd much rather see another Mad Max.

[Loomis]

I was with you until the mention of Indiana Jones. Ugh. I'd much rather see another Mad Max.

I'm not an Indy fan in the way that I'm a Bond/Bourne/Rocky/Rambo fan, but I do think this fourth film has a shot at being decent. Heck, it's still Spielberg, and it's very, very rare indeed that Stevie makes an utter dud. We'll see. At the very least, INDY 4 will be interesting. I don't think any of us can pretend that we won't go to see it.

I'd also like another MAD MAX, though. Also LETHAL WEAPON 5.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Trailor time!

http://cosmos.bcst.y...mp;src=ukyvideo




I'm totally mental over this one!

[Harmsway]

Looks nice (and really action packed). Can't wait until I have a better idea of the storyline.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I do wonder what he meant by "someone is behind this" or whatever...haven't we uncovered all the bad people already? Anyway, my # 1 anticipated film of 2007 finally has a trailor..woo hoo! About *&^%$#@! time too.

[Loomis]

Shame half of it's made up of footage from the other two, though. The new stuff - what little there is (yes, I know it's only supposed to be a teaser) looks good, albeit nothing we haven't seen before, and Joan Allen's "Have you any idea who you're dealing with? This is Jason Bourne!" routine is already as old as the hills. Ah, well. I'll still be there opening day.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Shame half of it's made up of footage from the other two, though. The new stuff - what little there is (yes, I know it's only supposed to be a teaser) looks good, albeit nothing we haven't seen before, and Joan Allen's "Have you any idea who you're dealing with? This is Jason Bourne!" routine is already as old as the hills. Ah, well. I'll still be there opening day.

Hey, The man's just too macho-grande-mysterioso for her to chill out on him! This IS Jason Bourne we're talking about!

By contrast, I saw the trailor for *gulp* LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD last night before Shooter...it did absolutely nothing for me.

[Loomis]

By contrast, I saw the trailor for *gulp* LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD last night before Shooter...it did absolutely nothing for me.

Yeah, it's dire. And I'm a massive, massive DIE HARD fan, BTW.

[dodge]

Sorry to hear about the LIVE FREE letdown. They'd been talking at one point of setting it in a jungle with little weaponry. That might have been cool. At the very least I'd hoped they'd return to their roots. The three key ingredients of DIE HARD for me were these: a dogged, tough but extremely vulnerable hero (loved those blinkn' bloody feet)...a tight-knit plot in a contained setting...and a charismatic villain (to this day, people still talk of Allan Rickman).

[ACE]

Sit down
Strap in
And turn on all you got

BOURNE is BACK

yeah!

With the return of John McClane too, this summer is shaping up to be real good!

[LadySylvia]

Absolutely! WTF? Although I'm there opening night with Koolaid cup in hand regardless of trailors, positive reviews.

Bourne rules and Bond is back.

Don't forget Rocky, Rambo, John McClane and Indiana Jones. I feel as though I've died and woken up in action franchise fanboy heaven.

Oh my God, you're right! There has already been a new ROCKY movie. A fourth DIE HARD movie is due out this summer. And a new INDIANA JONES movie is due out, next summer. I wonder if we'll be seeing a new JACK RYAN flick sometime in the near future.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I wouldn't put Jack Ryan in the league of those latter 80s fanchises...

[Loomis]

Me neither, but I think an(other) attempt in the next few years to reboot the Ryan franchise is a virtual certainty. It's true that the character isn't a blockbuster icon like Bond or Indy, but then it's also true (or, at least, I think it is) that he's nonetheless well-known enough to be a reliable cash cow.

His genre's hot, as is his down-to-earth and "gritty" approach to it, and there are plenty of unfilmed Clancys and thus a good supply of material. I don't understand why Paramount or Mace Neufeld or whoever's in charge hasn't already signed someone to a three-picture deal (a mistake they presumably made with Affleck) and started work on a series relaunch. Or maybe they're waiting until Bourne and 24 are out of the way, leaving the field clearer for Ryan, and then they'll strike.

"Why didn't THE SUM OF ALL FEARS work?" A question for armchair producers to ponder. Work as a relaunch of the franchise, I mean - I gather it worked okay at the box office. Don't think it worked as a good film, either.

Another thing I think doesn't work is this BOURNE 3 trailer. Let's be honest: it's pretty crap. The clips from IDENTITY and SUPREMACY border on false advertising (a lot of folks are going to be walking out of ULTIMATUM wondering why all those cool shots in the teaser were left on the cutting room floor), and there's no cool new action to speak of. We've reached a pretty pass when online movie geeks are hailing an ordinary stunt involving Bourne jumping though a window as some kind of marvellous money shot. There's the air of STAR WARS fans consoling themselves over THE PHANTOM MENACE ("See, the way you gotta look at it is: it's the first entry in the saga, so of course nothing happens"). Not even any suggestion that the Bourne people have been hard at work on an interesting plot. It's a teaser that neither rewards the faithful nor reaches out to the uncoverted.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Ah, you're being a bit negative here Loomis-that teaser was a very brief can a serious whuppaass. The shot of Bourne jumping from a balcony through a window was damn cool because the camera was right behind him all the way across the jump-I've never quite seen a shot done like that so it was a marvelous money shot!

And as for the past film stuff...it's set up teaser. Two brief shots didn't dominate the trailor's footage. Sheesh, was your chocolate milk past it's sell date this morning? Comon, how about a little Stallone-sque enthusiasm for the next Bourne!

[LadySylvia]

"Why didn't THE SUM OF ALL FEARS work?" A question for armchair producers to ponder. Work as a relaunch of the franchise, I mean - I gather it worked okay at the box office. Don't think it worked as a good film, either.

I thought that THE SUM OF ALL FEARS was a pretty damn good movie. I suspect that reboots and prequels were not very popular, five years (aside from the Bond franchise, I doubt that they still are). And the movie also featured a nuclear bomb exploding in Baltimore. Since it had been released in theaters about nine months following the 9/11 attacks, I suspect that this particular plot moment had really creeped out a lot of moviegoers. And I also suspect that many would never admit this.

[Loomis]

Sheesh, was your chocolate milk past it's sell date this morning?

For some reason, this remark has given me the biggest laugh of the day, Tarl. Talking of chocolate milk, though, this so-called trailer makes me wonder whether the Bourne people had Greengrass around in more ways than one. "So.... uh.... we'll just put some stuff from the other two in here.... yeah.... no, let it run, dude, that's nearly half the trailer right there. And.... uh.... we got Matt walking round the market in Morocco.... man, those rugs, that's just.... man.... he's still, like, walking around.... yeah.... are we done now? Your turn to skin up now, bro."

I mean, you'd think it was the trailer for BABEL.

[Loomis]

"Why didn't THE SUM OF ALL FEARS work?" A question for armchair producers to ponder. Work as a relaunch of the franchise, I mean - I gather it worked okay at the box office. Don't think it worked as a good film, either.

I thought that THE SUM OF ALL FEARS was a pretty damn good movie. I suspect that reboots and prequels were not very popular, five years (aside from the Bond franchise, I doubt that they still are). And the movie also featured a nuclear bomb exploding in Baltimore. Since it had been released in theaters about nine months following the 9/11 attacks, I suspect that this particular plot moment had really creeped out a lot of moviegoers. And I also suspect that many would never admit this.

Could have been a factor. Then again, I've read that DIE HARD and RAMBO: FIRST BLOOD PART II were two of the most widely-rented movies in the States in the weeks following the tragedy, so who knows?

I think it's a very poor film, although I absolutely loved the book, which I read first, as well as THE SUM OF ALL FEARS' immediate predecessor in the film series, CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER. What I really wonder, though, is why it didn't lead to a sequel. I mean, it did pretty well commercially, as I recall.

Perhaps getting Affleck to return to the role was a problem, and they had difficulty recasting it. There was a rumour a couple of years ago about Hayden Christensen playing the part in RED RABBIT, Clancy's own origin story, although it presumably wouldn't have been yet another reboot in its celluloid version.... seems to have come to nothing, though. Still, I remain convinced that we haven't seen the last of Ryan on the big screen.

[dinovelvet]

Another thing I think doesn't work is this BOURNE 3 trailer. Let's be honest: it's pretty crap. The clips from IDENTITY and SUPREMACY border on false advertising (a lot of folks are going to be walking out of ULTIMATUM wondering why all those cool shots in the teaser were left on the cutting room floor), and there's no cool new action to speak of. We've reached a pretty pass when online movie geeks are hailing an ordinary stunt involving Bourne jumping though a window as some kind of marvellous money shot. There's the air of STAR WARS fans consoling themselves over THE PHANTOM MENACE ("See, the way you gotta look at it is: it's the first entry in the saga, so of course nothing happens"). Not even any suggestion that the Bourne people have been hard at work on an interesting plot. It's a teaser that neither rewards the faithful nor reaches out to the uncoverted.

You know if a CASINO ROYALE trailer had pulled a stunt like that, i.e. showing action scenes from previous films with a puzzling lack of new footage, it would have been raked across the cyber-coals with cries of "They've run out of ideas!", "They're scared to show it to us!", "They know it's crap!", "This is gonna BOMB!", etc. Well we pretty much got that anyway from certain quarters, but you see what I mean. Usually this is the kind of trailer that's put out about a year in advance when they really don't have anything to show. Its a bit...suspicious.

[marktmurphy]

Ah, you're being a bit negative here Loomis-that teaser was a very brief can a serious whuppaass. The shot of Bourne jumping from a balcony through a window was damn cool because the camera was right behind him all the way across the jump-I've never quite seen a shot done like that so it was a marvelous money shot!

Yes- I thought so too; Bourne doesn't really have One Big Stunt shots like Bond does, so this is about all you can find for that sort of thing here. I thought it was a very exciting stunt.