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[Loomis]

James Bond just kicked sand in the faces of everyone (JB junior, Tommy Cruise, Vin Diesel, et al) as he walked out of the Bahamian waters and that about says it all.

No doubt CASINO ROYALE has caned Bourne internationally, but note THE BOURNE SUPREMACY's Stateside haul of $176 million. Not bad at all for a "dark" spy thriller (rather darker than CR, I'd say, with no humour whatsoever - the tone is relentlessly downbeat throughout) without (in those days) much of a brand name recognition factor or any huge stars (I'll grant you that Damon is a celebrity, but is he really that much of a box office giant? He's not Cruise, or even Pitt). What's more, this was achieved at the summer box office.

[dodge]

I'll be glad to see it...but just as glad to see it go. I salute what Bourne's accomplished, but two remakes of the same film is enough. Please let him get his memory back and learn to smile again.

[Loomis]

My understanding is that the final scene of Supremacy takes place midway through Ultimatum.

Interesting. In which case we presumably won't see much of Damon doing anything new until the film's halfway point. Kinda like Fleming's FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. But they wouldn't really structure things that way, would they? Or would they? Perhaps they would. I've come to expect a bit of innovation and risk-taking from the Bourne films (and director Paul Greengrass), which is one of the reasons I love them, and I don't see why they're getting such a slagging on this thread.

In any case, I'm steering clear of Bourne news from here on in. I spoiled CASINO ROYALE and ROCKY BALBOA far too much for myself, and don't want to do the same thing with another sequel I've been eagerly awaiting for a long time.

[Four Aces]

I'll be glad to see it...but just as glad to see it go. I salute what Bourne's accomplished, but two remakes of the same film is enough. Please let him get his memory back and learn to smile again.

Yes, he is a bit of a miserable being. Doesn't quite have the fun that Bond does

[Tarl_Cabot]

James Bond just kicked sand in the faces of everyone (JB junior, Tommy Cruise, Vin Diesel, et al) as he walked out of the Bahamian waters and that about says it all.

(I'll grant you that Damon is a celebrity, but is he really that much of a box office giant? He's not Cruise, or even Pitt). What's more, this was achieved at the summer box office.

Brad Pitt? I think he's definately more of a celebrity than a box office Juggernaught but the Cruise comparison is valid...anyway, Greengrass is doing an Iraq movie after TBU:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31318

He's gonna rip W a new one no doubt.Now, I haven't watched '93 but I hope he gets whatever he's due if it's as good as everybody says.

[Lazenby880]

A couple of stills from the shooting of ULTIMATUM. Very LIVING DAYLIGHTS, eh?

http://www.canmag.co...timatum-preview

Indeed Loomis. I am most looking forward to the release of Ultimatum as I think the previous Bourne pictures are among the best-made films and intelligent thrillers of the past five years. Then again, I *don't* think they are rip-offs of James Bond (I cannot see any similarities beyond both being involved in espionage-y type stuff) and view the two series' as entirely separate enterprises. I enjoy both for different reasons.

I cannot see why they are getting such a slagging in this thread.

Edited by Lazenby880, 22 January 2007 - 05:05 PM.

[Safari Suit]

I enjoyed both films, and look forward to this one. They didn't alter my perceptions of an entire genre or anything, but then neither has any film really.

They remind me more of the Harry Palmer films (except without the humour), then they do Bond (except without the err.. humour).

Edited by Safari Suit, 23 January 2007 - 07:36 PM.

[Professor Dent]

Wow, I have to say the beating these movies are taking is a little harsh. I enjoyed both of them & look forward to the next one. The comment Loomis made on the box office haul is right on -- a $176 million take in the US for a sequel is impressive to say the least plus these movies have done very well on DVD. It's no surprise a new one is being made.

[Loomis]

The teaser poster has been unleashed. Click on the Silver Surfer.

http://www.latinorev...ews.php?id=1596

The teaser trailer is starting to seem rather overdue, but presumably it'll be along any time now.

[ACE]

I think the previous Bourne pictures are among the best-made films and intelligent thrillers of the past five years.

Well apart from Die Another Day and the slightly inferior Casino Royale, of course! I agree - think both characters are only very superficially similar.

Matt Damon's Jason Bourne certainly has Robert Ludlum running through him like writing through rock candy.

[Lazenby880]

Matt Damon's Jason Bourne certainly has Robert Ludlum running through him like writing through rock candy.

Absolutely ACE! Matt Damon's Bourne has Robert Ludlum running through him in much the same way as Daniel Craig's Bond has Raymond Benson running through him. To paraphrase Greene, "It's like those sticks of rock: bite it all the way down, you'll still see Benson."

[ACE]

Well I agree with you Lazenby880, Benson's Bond can be very Fleming-esque. Yup, I could imagine CraigBond in a number of the Benson books. He'd be awesome in Never Dream of Dying, Doubleshot and High Time To Kill. Craig would be great at the emotional turmoil of 007 in these classic Bond novels.

[Loomis]

Die Another Day and the slightly inferior Casino Royale

I'm glad people are starting to tell it like it is. Four months on from the release of CR, it is possible to say that, great film though it is, it does have flaws, and you shouldn't be thought of as less of a Bond fan for saying so.

People always knock the CGI in DAD, but at least it was an attempted step forward for the franchise. Where's the technological innovation in CR? Yeah, great visual FX work, guys. As in: so great you don't even notice it. Nice work, geniuses.

If Tamahori isn't poached for BOURNE 4, Eon would really be missing a trick by not hiring him for BOND 22.

[Mercator]

I'm glad people are starting to tell it like it is. Four months on from the release of CR, it is possible to say that, great film though it is, it does have flaws, and you shouldn't be thought of as less of a Bond fan for saying so.

People always knock the CGI in DAD, but at least it was an attempted step forward for the franchise. Where's the technological innovation in CR? Yeah, great visual FX work, guys. As in: so great you don't even notice it. Nice work, geniuses.

If Tamahori isn't poached for BOURNE 4, Eon would really be missing a trick by not hiring him for BOND 22.

I have much agreements with this. I think Lee Tamahory was the good director. I am not so much liking the Cazino Royale but I know I have in the minority been.

There was nothing spectacular about Cazino Royale. Really, Bond should be big.

Thank you Loomis for saying so.

[spynovelfan]

If Tamahori isn't poached for BOURNE 4, Eon would really be missing a trick by not hiring him for BOND 22.

Yes. And they can call it HELL IS HERE.

[Roebuck]

There was brief footage of the filming of the Tangiers rooftop chase on Film 2007 last night. I suppose it will draw inevitable comparisons to the parkour sequence from Casino Royale, but it's the kind of action I'd come to associate from Bourne.

[TheSaint]

BU is filming in NYC as we speak.

[triviachamp]

Die Another Day and the slightly inferior Casino Royale

Where are the Bond Police?

Yeah, great visual FX work, guys. As in: so great you don't even notice it. Nice work, geniuses.

Bad special effects are the best? Interesting logic. I would have thought that being unable to notice the effect is the point.

DAD's CGI was just bad. So that makes it good because we can tell it is bad CGI?

[capungo]

Just a bit of a Bourne scoop from NYC. Right now they're filming what looks like a car chase through midtown and into the Port Authority bus terminal. For those not familiar with the city, let's just say that this doesn't happen too often. I can't wait!

[LadySylvia]

I am so looking forward to the next Bourne movie. And Paul Greengrass is directing . . . again. I heard that one of the screenwriters is playwright, Tom Stoppard. And I've also heard that Stoppard might be one of the writers for BOND 22.

[Lazenby880]

Well I agree with you Lazenby880, Benson's Bond can be very Fleming-esque. Yup, I could imagine CraigBond in a number of the Benson books. He'd be awesome in Never Dream of Dying, Doubleshot and High Time To Kill. Craig would be great at the emotional turmoil of 007 in these classic Bond novels.

Of course you are right ACE. The number of times I have read Zero Minus Ten and thought 'Fleming could have written that' would astound you.

I'm glad people are starting to tell it like it is. Four months on from the release of CR, it is possible to say that, great film though it is, it does have flaws, and you shouldn't be thought of as less of a Bond fan for saying so.

Out of interest Loomis, didn't you start off by being decidedly lukewarm on Casino Royale, and then went on to rave (rightly ) about its endless qualities? Have you now gone back to the former?

Hopefully the DVD release will allow you to see Casino Royale for what it truly is.

[ACE]

Hopefully the DVD release will allow you to see Casino Royale for what it truly is.

BIGGEST BOND EVER!
BEST BOND EVER!

[Loomis]

Well I agree with you Lazenby880, Benson's Bond can be very Fleming-esque. Yup, I could imagine CraigBond in a number of the Benson books. He'd be awesome in Never Dream of Dying, Doubleshot and High Time To Kill. Craig would be great at the emotional turmoil of 007 in these classic Bond novels.

Of course you are right ACE. The number of times I have read Zero Minus Ten and thought 'Fleming could have written that' would astound you.

I'm glad people are starting to tell it like it is. Four months on from the release of CR, it is possible to say that, great film though it is, it does have flaws, and you shouldn't be thought of as less of a Bond fan for saying so.

Out of interest Loomis, didn't you start off by being decidedly lukewarm on Casino Royale, and then went on to rave (rightly ) about its endless qualities? Have you now gone back to the former?

Hopefully the DVD release will allow you to see Casino Royale for what it truly is.

What, with a blond guy as Bond?

CASINO ROYALE is okay, but it's no A VIEW TO A KILL.

[plankattack]

Ohhh Loomis, you're on form today mate!

[ACE]

CASINO ROYALE is okay, but it's no A VIEW TO A KILL.

Yeah, and AVTAK is a mere foothill to the Everest that is
The Main With The Gorlden Guuuuuun!

[Harmsway]

CASINO ROYALE is okay, but it's no A VIEW TO A KILL.

Or OCTOPUSSY, for that matter. I mean, Bond in clown paint and attire? I'm there.

[Lazenby880]

What, with a blond guy as Bond?

CASINO ROYALE is okay, but it's no A VIEW TO A KILL.

Very good Loomis. Although I did have a (sort of) serious point: have you changed your mind about Casino Royale? I only ask as I found your original review of the picture intriguing, and I thought your revision of that initial opinion was argued cogently and articulately. It was an interesting progression as your view did go from mildly lukewarm to thinking it was the best thing in the series, whereas generally it seems that one has a hugely enthusiastic reaction on the opening night which is tempered on subsequent viewings. I think it is as good as that first time I saw it, and I agree with your argument in another thread:

"Number one, although I still maintain that it's in such a different league to the others as to make this seem a case of comparing an apple to twenty oranges. No other Bond outing (not even ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE) comes close to having the artistic and emotional impact of CASINO ROYALE, or lingers in the mind so much.

It's a virtually perfect blend of the fresh and the classic, of the best of Fleming and the best of Eon. There have been many Bond movies, but this is the first Bond film.

What's really telling about CR's quality is how - unlike, say, OHMSS or THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, which are also (justly) lauded by 007 enthusiasts (but more or less only by 007 enthusiasts) - it's reached outside fandom, catching the interest of and impressing people who previously had next to zero time for Bond. While there have been plenty of decent Bond flicks, not a single one has ever had this sort of - if this is the right term - "crossover" appeal."

I could not have said it any better.

CASINO ROYALE is okay, but it's no A VIEW TO A KILL.

Yeah, and AVTAK is a mere foothill to the Everest that is
The Main With The Gorlden Guuuuuun!

What about Moonraker? A ruddy fun film that is actually witty and entertaining. Unlike the monstrous Die Another Day, a picture that *apparently* has Fleming running through it like a stick of rock...

Edited by Lazenby880, 14 March 2007 - 08:11 PM.

[Loomis]

What, with a blond guy as Bond?

CASINO ROYALE is okay, but it's no A VIEW TO A KILL.

Very good Loomis. Although I did have a (sort of) serious point: have you changed your mind about Casino Royale?

Bah! You saw through my japery. In answer to your question, no, I haven't changed my mind about CASINO ROYALE. It's a masterpiece.

[dinovelvet]

There was brief footage of the filming of the Tangiers rooftop chase on Film 2007 last night. I suppose it will draw inevitable comparisons to the parkour sequence from Casino Royale, but it's the kind of action I'd come to associate from Bourne.

So you mean they're managing to rip off The Living Daylights and Casino Royale all in one scene?

[bondfanx]

heres the link for it to imdb.com with pictures and info on it

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0440963/

Edited by bondfanx, 14 March 2007 - 10:45 PM.