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[tdalton]

I don't see QUANTUM OF SOLACE coming anywhere close to making more at the box office than THE DARK KNIGHT, regardless of whether it's a better film than THE DARK KNIGHT or not. The marketing for THE DARK KNIGHT was phenomenal whereas, by comparison, the marketing for QUANTUM OF SOLACE hasn't been as good.

[DR76]

I don't think that QUANTUM OF SOLACE will make as much money as THE DARK KNIGHT. I'm not saying this because I feel that THE DARK KNIGHT is the best movie this year. I don't. And I have no idea on whether QUANTUM OF SOLACE will be better or worse than this 2nd Batman film. But let's face it . . . Batman movies tend to make more money than James Bond movies. Especially in the U.S.

[00Twelve]

Much as I love Bond and high as my hopes are for QOS, I'll shave my head if QOS outdoes it in the States. Maybe worldwide--maybe--but TDK just made $155 million in its opening weekend. I mean, DAMN.

[Mister E]

I doubt QUANTUM OF SOLACE is going to pull in the numbers like THE DARK KNIGHT or it's critical praise. The general public really has nothing to cling on to justify the mass anticipation for QOS. THE DARK KNIGHT had the hype of Heath Ledger as the Joker.

Edited by Mister E, 21 July 2008 - 06:05 PM.

[jaguar007]

Batman movies tend to make more money than James Bond movies. Especially in the U.S.

In the US yes, but CR made close to twice what BB did worldwide. Of course TDK will probably do it's first week in the US what BB did its entire run in the US.

Dark Knight, however, is the first blockbuster to use IMAX (for a handful of scenes) and I think that's a small factor driving a piece of its success as IMAX ticket prices are higher.

I Am Legend was also done in IMAX

By the way Casino Royale was number 4 for 2006. Thunderball was number 2 for 1965.

Yes, Thunderball was #2 in 1965, but remember is was released in December of 1965. I think it was actually the highest grossing movie in 1966, but it does not count on charts because it was a 1965 release.

[Andrew]

Dark Knight, however, is the first blockbuster to use IMAX (for a handful of scenes) and I think that's a small factor driving a piece of its success as IMAX ticket prices are higher.

I Am Legend was also done in IMAX

It was released in the IMAX format but wasn't shot in IMAX, like certain scenes in TDK were.

[SPOTTER]

I don't see QUANTUM OF SOLACE coming anywhere close to making more at the box office than THE DARK KNIGHT, regardless of whether it's a better film than THE DARK KNIGHT or not. The marketing for THE DARK KNIGHT was phenomenal whereas, by comparison, the marketing for QUANTUM OF SOLACE hasn't been as good.

Quantum Of Solace is not even out until October so the marketing would not have even started yet. Lots of people will want to see Bond in October/November and it will take a lot of money. The Dark Knight will obviously beat it in the U.S. but worldwide it will be a close race.

[tdalton]

I don't see QUANTUM OF SOLACE coming anywhere close to making more at the box office than THE DARK KNIGHT, regardless of whether it's a better film than THE DARK KNIGHT or not. The marketing for THE DARK KNIGHT was phenomenal whereas, by comparison, the marketing for QUANTUM OF SOLACE hasn't been as good.

Quantum Of Solace is not even out until October so the marketing would not have even started yet. Lots of people will want to see Bond in October/November and it will take a lot of money. The Dark Knight will obviously beat it in the U.S. but worldwide it will be a close race.

The marketing for THE DARK KNIGHT started a full year before the actual release of the film (the first teaser was released in July 2007, and the viral campaign began long before it reached the point where there was only 3 months left before the release of the film, which is about where we are now in terms of QUANTUM OF SOLACE). I'm not saying that it's the wrong way to market a film, but if EON wants to create a similar amount of hype around a Bond film that THE DARK KNIGHT has had, then a year long marketing campaign similar to that of THE DARK KNIGHT would be a great place to start.

[Mercator]

Batman will win. It has already broken the records. Bond will not do this.
But Batman will never have 22 films - and not as good as Die Another Day.

[Publius]

Now that TDK has made over $150 million in its first weekend alone, I'm starting to think its US take could be enough to propel it past QoS. $350 million (even $400 million) domestic is not out of the question, and is probably very likely now, so it'll only have to make $250-$300 million outside of the US and Canada (which Iron Man has already done and even Bourne 3 came close to doing) to put serious pressure on Bond.

Since I doubt there will be that many more or less people going to see QoS than saw CR (i.e., I think their ticket sales will be similar), I'm curious to see if the dollar really has gotten so bad that Bond won't need the US market to beat Batman worldwide.

[mario007]

I only hope that QOS will be a better film than TDK. TDK was good in the acting department but the other aspects fell on its face! Convaluted story, bad action sequences and corny dialogue!!! Hope QOS will not suffur from the same problems!

[EyesOnly]

bad action sequences and corny dialogue!!!


Really? I thought the opposite. If QOS can be as good as TDK i'd be one happy Bond fan

[Cruiserweight]

The Dark Knight

[JackWade]

I only hope that QOS will be a better film than TDK. TDK was good in the acting department but the other aspects fell on its face! Convaluted story, bad action sequences and corny dialogue!!! Hope QOS will not suffur from the same problems!

The story wasn't convoluted. It's not hard to follow as long has you have an attention span greater than the average five year old. And corny dialogue? WHAT?! The dialogue was fantastic.

But yeah, I hope QUANTUM doesn't "suffur" from such terrible problems.

[mario007]

'the night is darkest just before the dawn. The dawn is coming!? give me a break! the only saving grace of this movie was ledger and harvey dent before the accident. The CGIed two face sucked ... so did the ending. The chick was fugly and bale was sleep walking through the role (makes connery in DAF look good).Where was the fun? At least Burton's original was stylish and fun! I hope QOS is nothing like this hyped piece of trash!

[Mister E]

'the night is darkest just before the dawn. The dawn is coming!? give me a break! the only saving grace of this movie was ledger and harvey dent before the accident. The CGIed two face sucked ... so did the ending. The chick was fugly and bale was sleep walking through the role (makes connery in DAF look good).Where was the fun? At least Burton's original was stylish and fun! I hope QOS is nothing like this hyped piece of trash!

What the hell movie were you watching ? Bale was sleeping walking through the role ? He played Bruce Wayne with the same time of humor and Batman with the same type of ruthlessness and determination. More importantly, he was also conflicted about what is role of Batman has in protecting Gotham.

[Harmsway]

Where was the fun?

The fun was in watching a story told well.

At least Burton's original was stylish and fun!

THE DARK KNIGHT oozes with style. The cinematography is gorgeous.

[sharpshooter]

I've got to say, QoS is going to have to be something special to even equal TDK.

[Colossus]

Batman will win. It has already broken the records. Bond will not do this.
But Batman will never have 22 films - and not as good as Die Another Day.

DAD, a true gem!

[baerrtt]

'the night is darkest just before the dawn. The dawn is coming!? give me a break! the only saving grace of this movie was ledger and harvey dent before the accident. The CGIed two face sucked ... so did the ending. The chick was fugly and bale was sleep walking through the role (makes connery in DAF look good).Where was the fun? At least Burton's original was stylish and fun! I hope QOS is nothing like this hyped piece of trash!

It is perfectly legitimate to make a Batman film (a movie that could possibly end up with major Oscar nods whether you care about that or not) that doesn't prescribe to your narrow-minded perception of the character or what 'fun' blockbuster cinema should be.

'Fun' is how you end up with BATMAN AND ROBIN ('oh but so what if it's a piece of it's FUUUUUUUUUUNNN! ') it's how you end up with DAD.

'Fun' doesn't automatically mean that every film catered for a mass audience has to have bright colours or tinged with so much fantasy (like the Burton films) that the actual tone is compromised. Like Harmsway 'fun' is watching a well made film and giving a damn about the characters whether it's Batman or Scorcese. I for one do hope QOS is as good or (damn close) to TDK in it's handling of a serious theme in the action genre.

[Skudor]

I hope EON doesn't get a jolt from the Batman success and decide that it's time to bring back gadgets and Bond-mobiles for B23... thinking that the 'fantasy' is the new 'gritty'. Just a thought.

[NVT]

Batman is Batman and Bond is Bond. Batman appeals to a wider audience than Bond so naturally it will take in more sales.
Also Batman can afford to have many more A List starts than Bond, Bond tends to look for talent else where.

Like Bond Batman has gone back to its roots as much as possible, thats why some people do not seem to like it, they are too used to the comical versions.

They are just films, so if people did not like them they are free to make their own versions, there is no real right or wrong.

Some would say that we live in a darker period of time compared to the 90's, so I guess that is why the darker tones in films of recent are so popular.

[baerrtt]

I hope EON doesn't get a jolt from the Batman success and decide that it's time to bring back gadgets and Bond-mobiles for B23... thinking that the 'fantasy' is the new 'gritty'. Just a thought.

The gadgets in TDK don't detract from the film's tone. If anything that should be a lesson to EON.

[Skudor]

I hope EON doesn't get a jolt from the Batman success and decide that it's time to bring back gadgets and Bond-mobiles for B23... thinking that the 'fantasy' is the new 'gritty'. Just a thought.

The gadgets in TDK don't detract from the film's tone. If anything that should be a lesson to EON.

I'm sure it doesn't. My point is more that it's ok for Batman to have gadgets, the tolerance level is a lot higher than for Bond. Different genres and all that.

[RevolveR]

'the night is darkest just before the dawn. The dawn is coming!? give me a break! the only saving grace of this movie was ledger and harvey dent before the accident. The CGIed two face sucked ... so did the ending. The chick was fugly and bale was sleep walking through the role (makes connery in DAF look good).Where was the fun? At least Burton's original was stylish and fun! I hope QOS is nothing like this hyped piece of trash!

What a stupid thing to say. I went into TDK skeptical because of the hype and I came out of it blown away. If you are so shallow that you couldn't see the deep ideology the drove this story then I could care less what you have to say about anything. Seriously, Bond started to flirt with that type of depth in CR, but the series certainly would benefit greatly from taking farther in QOS.

And too many people are overlooking the best performance in the movie because of Ledger. He was great as the joker, no doubt, but Christian Bale was the star of this show. Sleep walking? You're a joke.

Edited by RevolveR, 22 July 2008 - 04:25 PM.

[united1878]

What are the other films coming out at the same time as QOS? I think in Oct/Nov, we won't be quite so concerned about TDK and moreso about what gets released at the same time.

[DR76]

The story wasn't convoluted.

For me, it was toward the end. I know I keep saying this, but I was very disappointed with TDK's final act. I found it contrived and unecessary. I only hope that QoS doesn't make the same mistake.

Edited by DR76, 22 July 2008 - 02:58 PM.

[Mister Asterix]

...Batman appeals to a wider audience than Bond so naturally it will take in more sales...

Never thought I’d hear that said.

[mario007]

I hope bond doesn't reach the heights of batman & robin ... good thing the prducers pulled back after DAD. But come-on this is a movie after all ... you are supposed to be entertained. It is a comic book ... not a moral/philosophical study! The incredible hulk had the perfect balance ... I was not emotionally involved with TDK at all! I guess part of the reason is that without the batman mysteriousness (which tim burton excelled at) the whole concept falls flat! He is reduced to a man in a rubber suit ... which is riduculous! Bond can survive the realism because fleming grounded him a bit in reality ... but it should never get to the bourn level in my opinion. I still see some fun elements in the trailer of QOS which gives me hope! TLD is my favorite bond btw, perfectly balanced story, action & espionage angle!

Edited by mario007, 22 July 2008 - 03:41 PM.

[Harmsway]

It is a comic book ... not a moral/philosophical study!

Why shouldn't they be moral/philosophical studies in addition to being entertainment? It only increases their value.

I was not emotionally involved with TDK at all!

I was. I was emotionally wiped at the end of THE DARK KNIGHT, and loved the film for it.