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[Skudor]

I wouldn't call it Dianification. The guy was involved, in some ways, in the production of two Bond films and to some degree in the writing of a Bond novel and now he's passed away. It's appropriate to speak nicely of the chap and forget whatever things he might have done that might not have been so agreeable.

[Shaun Forever]

Very sad news indeed. Quite disgusted at some of the comments made in this thread though, we will never know the full story about the Thunderball incident, but to call the man a loser is a bit low.



RIP Kevin, although NSNA is not one of the best Bond films, you gave us an alternative.

[icecold]

I wouldn't call it Dianification. The guy was involved, in some ways, in the production of two Bond films and to some degree in the writing of a Bond novel and now he's passed away. It's appropriate to speak nicely of the chap and forget whatever things he might have done that might not have been so agreeable.

Hmm, excellent point, and in that spirit on April 20th of next year I will remember Hitler as a vegetarian painter with a passion for dogs, who created the wonderful Volkswagon and was a staunch patriot...Yes, I know it's a very exaggerated comparison but I used it to back my theory of, "Just because someone's dead, doesn't mean they weren't an and you should idolize them."

[Shamelord]

R.I.P. Kevin McClory

I happen to like Thunderball and Never Say Never Again -- the latter being better to my taste than many regular movies.

The man was certainly a contributor to the James Bond world, like it or not, and some reactions in this thread are sad and lack dignity.

If for one thing, Kevin McClory was part of the trio that originated the James Bond adventure which remains the most seen in the theaters to this day. Frankly the ones who loathe NSNA could at leat remember him for that only feat.

Condolences to family and friends.

[Genrewriter]

I wouldn't call it Dianification. The guy was involved, in some ways, in the production of two Bond films and to some degree in the writing of a Bond novel and now he's passed away. It's appropriate to speak nicely of the chap and forget whatever things he might have done that might not have been so agreeable.

Agreed. It's not kissing up to the guy, it's called being human. Something some people here could stand to brush up on.

[Blofeld's Cat]

I guess his days of asking are all gone...

RIP Kevin McClory.

LOL!

In a kind way though.

[Skudor]

I wouldn't call it Dianification. The guy was involved, in some ways, in the production of two Bond films and to some degree in the writing of a Bond novel and now he's passed away. It's appropriate to speak nicely of the chap and forget whatever things he might have done that might not have been so agreeable.

Hmm, excellent point, and in that spirit on April 20th of next year I will remember Hitler as a vegetarian painter with a passion for dogs, who created the wonderful Volkswagon and was a staunch patriot...Yes, I know it's a very exaggerated comparison but I used it to back my theory of, "Just because someone's dead, doesn't mean they weren't an and you should idolize them."

Comparing Kevin McClory to Adolf Hitler?

I really don't get how some people seem to think Kevin McClory was some sort of spawn of the devil. Is it because he dared to use his legal right to over use already used material? I guess no one else is guilty of that. Right? Or just because he asserted his rights to be involved in the production of Thunderball? Or because he sat down with Ian Fleming and worked on the original script that to some extent became Thunderball? What a horrible person.

On reflection, I guess all the hallmarks of a genocidal maniac are right there...

[The Richmond Spy]

RIP Mr. McClory

[Double-0-Seven]

R.I.P Kevin McClory

Haven't watched it in a while (due to not yet owning it on DVD), but Never Say Never Again is a fine Bond film. Sure, it's missing a lot of the Bond elements, but it is still nonetheless a very entertaining film.

[Gri007]

RIP Kevin.

I should think the family will inherit the rights to SPECTRE, for those who are thinking about it.

As some one said, he his Bond producer, and IMO gave me the best Bond film. Thunderball.

[Tiin007]

RIP Mr. McClory.

[icecold]

I wouldn't call it Dianification. The guy was involved, in some ways, in the production of two Bond films and to some degree in the writing of a Bond novel and now he's passed away. It's appropriate to speak nicely of the chap and forget whatever things he might have done that might not have been so agreeable.

Hmm, excellent point, and in that spirit on April 20th of next year I will remember Hitler as a vegetarian painter with a passion for dogs, who created the wonderful Volkswagon and was a staunch patriot...Yes, I know it's a very exaggerated comparison but I used it to back my theory of, "Just because someone's dead, doesn't mean they weren't an and you should idolize them."

Comparing Kevin McClory to Adolf Hitler?

I really don't get how some people seem to think Kevin McClory was some sort of spawn of the devil. Is it because he dared to use his legal right to over use already used material? I guess no one else is guilty of that. Right? Or just because he asserted his rights to be involved in the production of Thunderball? Or because he sat down with Ian Fleming and worked on the original script that to some extent became Thunderball? What a horrible person.

On reflection, I guess all the hallmarks of a genocidal maniac are right there...

When did I ever say he was a spawn of the devil? The comparison wasn't literal. I even stated that in my post. I did it to show that the logic of eulogizing someone when you might have thought they were an 10 minutes before they died, is ridiculous. I didn't know him personally and what I did know made me consider him an obsessed, pretentious prick who was a thorn in many sides over a contribution that was neglible at best. Also arguable that he was a big factor in Fleming's early death. I feel for those who were close to him, but dont expect me to turn around and start saying how much I loved him. That was the whole point, and I will now depart this thread.

Edited by icecold, 01 December 2006 - 06:47 PM.

[GreggAllinson]

I wouldn't call it Dianification. The guy was involved, in some ways, in the production of two Bond films and to some degree in the writing of a Bond novel and now he's passed away. It's appropriate to speak nicely of the chap and forget whatever things he might have done that might not have been so agreeable.

Hmm, excellent point, and in that spirit on April 20th of next year I will remember Hitler as a vegetarian painter with a passion for dogs, who created the wonderful Volkswagon and was a staunch patriot...Yes, I know it's a very exaggerated comparison but I used it to back my theory of, "Just because someone's dead, doesn't mean they weren't an and you should idolize them."

Of course you shouldn't idolize somebody just because they're dead. But conversely- unless they created some horrific crime- you shouldn't demonize them either. Quite frankly, I didn't like Never Say Never Again, but that doesn't mean Kevin McClory's passing is worthy of celebration.

Was McClory perfect? No. Was he a popular figure in Bond fandom? Not really (although of course he had his admirers). Do those facts mean you start ting all over his memory the moment his corpse is cold? Of course not.

[YOLT]

R.I.P. Kevin McClory

[pedroarmendariz]

first things first, i would like to send my condolences to kevin's family for this terrible time. these are the times we must forget the petty things and cherish life because we're all mortals in the end and that death has the last say. i never liked the thunderball period of the bond history because i felt that there were too many guilty parties for somebody to come out the victim. fleming should have credited mmcclory and whittingham from the begining and maybe try to bring them peacegully into the bond series as rewards of the success of their book. mcclory and whittingham should have realized that they own only a fraction of the empire that cubby and saltzman created when nobody saw the potential of the books and the character. eon should have tried to smooth everything out between the three authors to ensure that no problems would arise for the series. nsna should have never been made because it only made connery seemed old and showed again how much of a whore he could be for the right price to do a role he supposedly was tired of playing. michael and barbara should now try to mend the fences that their predecessors couldn't and move on. a man is dead and a family grieves now for him so we should all pay our respects as human beings and cease the attacks. let's enjoy the happiness that casino royale has brought us and wait and see what the right people do. and forget about specter. all of that is in the past and to bring it back would only negate all of the hard work that went into rebooting the series with cr. let's not waste this golden opportunity that casino royale has brought to us to create a better and modern enemy for our favorite spy.

[Wade]

As with anyone's death, my thoughts go to his family. I think that any references to the impact his death will have on the future of the Bond franchise are inappropriate at this time. Rest in peace, Mr McClory.

His death will have NO impact on the series....!

Why is there this Diana-ification of someone who yesterday wasn't even in anyone's thoughts?!

It's called death, pal, "Th

[David Somerset]

I'll always remember the thrill back in 1982/83 of the prospect of 2 brand new bond films about to surface, one with Roger Moore and one with Sean Connery almost coming out back to back. i didn't care about legal wranglings etc. All i cared about was the fact that this was the most exciting time i had ever known as a Bond fan. I will always be grateful to Kevin Mcclory and EON for creating that wonderful little era of expectation.

RIP Kevin Mcclory

[Zorin Industries]

first things first, i would like to send my condolences to kevin's family for this terrible time. these are the times we must forget the petty things and cherish life because we're all mortals in the end and that death has the last say. i never liked the thunderball period of the bond history because i felt that there were too many guilty parties for somebody to come out the victim. fleming should have credited mmcclory and whittingham from the begining and maybe try to bring them peacegully into the bond series as rewards of the success of their book. mcclory and whittingham should have realized that they own only a fraction of the empire that cubby and saltzman created when nobody saw the potential of the books and the character. eon should have tried to smooth everything out between the three authors to ensure that no problems would arise for the series. nsna should have never been made because it only made connery seemed old and showed again how much of a whore he could be for the right price to do a role he supposedly was tired of playing. michael and barbara should now try to mend the fences that their predecessors couldn't and move on. a man is dead and a family grieves now for him so we should all pay our respects as human beings and cease the attacks. let's enjoy the happiness that casino royale has brought us and wait and see what the right people do. and forget about specter. all of that is in the past and to bring it back would only negate all of the hard work that went into rebooting the series with cr. let's not waste this golden opportunity that casino royale has brought to us to create a better and modern enemy for our favorite spy.

Couldn't agree more. Some very salient points there. Let's not all make a contested THUNDERBALL and a turgid NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN brush over the fact that a man has died. His "legacy" with the Bond series is nominal, but to some people - and to be fair, it's none of us - he is now a sad loss.

[author]

For anyone interested in the REAL story of Kevin McClory and Thunderball, my book 'BATTLE FOR BOND' is published by Tomahawk Press in late March/early April 2007.

The truth is told in this book, all myths laid to rest.

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[patfearing]

I knew Kevin McCloory very well, he was a good, kind man, he had a lot of love for his Bond era and he also had a lot of hurt, but he was not a man to hold a grudge and he spoke ill of no one in the production of Thunderball and Never say never again.

He loved making films, that was his passion and he was by no means greedy or selfish and i think to this day he has not got the credit he so richly deserves.

Anyone who has the audacity to speak ill of this man should be ashamed of themselves!

He really wanted to read Battle for Bond before he died, but i couldnt get a copy for him, Tomahawk wouldn't give me one! That will be one of my regrets, that i couldnt get that book to him!

My heart is broken and i think putting the politics aside he should be appreciated for all he contributed to James Bond! After all, none of Ian Flemmings books made it to film before Kevin and Jack made the screenplay for Thunderball!

Thank you-
Aprile