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[Qwerty]

RIP Mr. McClory.

[booyeah_]

My thoughts and feelings go out to his loved ones. RIP

[Vauxhall]

As with anyone's death, my thoughts go to his family. I think that any references to the impact his death will have on the future of the Bond franchise are inappropriate at this time. Rest in peace, Mr McClory.

[K1Bond007]

I think that any references to the impact his death will have on the future of the Bond franchise are inappropriate at this time. Rest in peace, Mr McClory.

It's an Internet forum specifically for Bond fans. There's nothing inappropriate about discussing the impact that his death may have. Died about a week ago too so when would be a good time to discuss it?

[RivenWinner]

I've been a pretty outspoken person against Mr. McClory, but recently I have kinda changed my mind. I like the comparison someone made with him and Ahab. To call McClory an anti-hero isn't really the words I'm looking for, lol, but the guy was kinda screwed pretty bad at one point in time, and since that time he's tried his best to achieve his dream of making a Bond film (or two, or three, lol).

I just like to think of him, and Never Say Never Again as another, intergal part of Bond history. I think there's actually a book coming out on his whole deal next year I think.

Still, it's rather disgusting how people are treating his death.

My thoughts go out to his family and friends.

Now it will be interesting to see what exactly happens with all IPs he owned.

[Vauxhall]

I think that any references to the impact his death will have on the future of the Bond franchise are inappropriate at this time. Rest in peace, Mr McClory.

It's an Internet forum specifically for Bond fans. There's nothing inappropriate about discussing the impact that his death may have. Died about a week ago too so when would be a good time to discuss it?

Okay fair play, I see your point. But I think that turning this particular thread into somewhere to discuss whether SPECTRE can now return isn't really appropriate. This should be left for people to pay their respects, should they choose to. This is of course merely my opinion, and I do expect people to differ on this.

[00Twelve]

Kevin's family is in my thoughts and prayers. Such surprising news. I definitely feel a little on the low side as I was being impatient about the Thunderball rights. RIP Kevin.

[Vanish]

I never agreed with his quest to keep remaking Thunderball, but still, this is very sad news.

R.I.P., Mr. McClory.

[GreggAllinson]

RIP Kevin.

I agree that the whole Thunderball affair was pretty sad. Fleming should have credited him originally. Saltzman and Broccolli probably shouldn't have used SPECTRE in FRWL and DN. However if Kevin thought that EON ripped him off he should have mentioned it back the 1960s rather than the 1990s.

I thought he did "mention it back in the 1960s"...wasn't Thunderball made with the provision that McClory could remake it after a ten year non-compete clause expired? And sure enough, in the 1970s, talk of James Bond of the Secret Service produced by McClory and starring Connery started up...

And yes, the bottom line is, an innocent man's dead. Don't celebrate like this is Hitler or bin Laden passing, for god's sake.

[zencat]

I think that any references to the impact his death will have on the future of the Bond franchise are inappropriate at this time. Rest in peace, Mr McClory.

It's an Internet forum specifically for Bond fans. There's nothing inappropriate about discussing the impact that his death may have. Died about a week ago too so when would be a good time to discuss it?

Okay fair play, I see your point. But I think that turning this particular thread into somewhere to discuss whether SPECTRE can now return isn't really appropriate. This should be left for people to pay their respects, should they choose to. This is of course merely my opinion, and I do expect people to differ on this.

I'll make a new thread for this. How about that? I know I'm ready to discuss it.

HERE IT IS

[MrDraco]

couldn't have come at a more conveient time for EON..I suspect fowl play LOL>

[delfloria]

While working on "Splash" in the Bahamas I had the pleasure to have drinks with Mr. McClory at his house and was impressed by his love of Bond. I found it facinating that he had a version of NSNA with Barry's Thunderball score replacing the original one which was much more to his liking. I know he caused turmoil throughout the years for Fleming and Eon but it was because he was a Bond fan in his own right. R.I.P. Kevin.

[deth]

when I stumbled across this sad news, I had, purely by chance "Death of Vesper" playing on the stereo. Made the moment have all the more impact.


R.I.P. Kevin McClory


if it wasn't for him, Thunderball the book, the movie, and the (decidedly less impressive) Never Say Never Again would not be in our hands. At least, not in their current form. Those are, imo, huge positive contributions to Bond lore. Thanks Kevin.


(incidentally, I truly believe this deserves front page mention)

[triviachamp]

I found it facinating that he had a version of NSNA with Barry's Thunderball score replacing the original one which was much more to his liking.

Where's Blofelds[sic] Cat when you need him?

Anyway I think there needs to be a film (TV or what have you) or documentary on The Battle for Bond. The problem is who would make it?

[A Kristatos]

I think that any references to the impact his death will have on the future of the Bond franchise are inappropriate at this time. Rest in peace, Mr McClory.

It's an Internet forum specifically for Bond fans. There's nothing inappropriate about discussing the impact that his death may have. Died about a week ago too so when would be a good time to discuss it?

Well, since it was just announced, I'd give it another week or so before we start discussing the future of SPECTRE. Kind of like discussing how the deceased person's possessions are going to be divided up just a half an hour after the person died! Let's wait a little while before we start discussing his future impact on the franchise, preferrably on another thread later on.

Anyway, Kevin left a lot to the Bond franchise. Thunderball and Never Say Never Again are both very good films, and will always be favorites of many. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends during this difficult time.

R.I.P. Kevin.

Edited by A Kristatos, 30 November 2006 - 05:30 AM.

[triviachamp]

Well, since it was just announced, I'd give it another week or so before we start discussing the future of SPECTRE. Kind of like discussing how the deceased person's possessions are going to be divided up just a half an hour after the person died! Let's wait a little while before we start discussing his future impact on the franchise, preferrably on another thread later on.

Well to be fair McClory has been dead over a week, we just didn't hear about it until now.

Did anyone notice that McClory turns out to be younger than what was said when he was alive?

[dr.doak]

Well, my condolences. He was a big part of Bond lore and this is big news for long time fans. Things are most definitely now going to get interesting, and the return of Blofeld seems eminent. I only wish they hadn't restarted so we could get an in continuity return of the character from previous films, would have been more fun.

[RevolveR]

He lived a long life and his family can be proud of his accomplishments. To them, I offer my deepest condolences.

[delfloria]

(I found it facinating that he had a version of NSNA with Barry's Thunderball score replacing the original one which was much more to his liking.)

Yikes, let me clear up that mess. McClory liked NSNA better with Barry's score.

[AndyPandy88]

A foe to some Bond fans, a worthwile fan to others. The co-writer, co-producer of Thunderball and producer of Never Say Never Again, Kevin McClory, passed away on the 20th November, 2006.

He might not have been a favourite part of the Bond legacy, but he is still a part of it. Rest in peace.

[icecold]

Call me what you like but I smiled at first reading the news. I'm not proud of that nor am I jumping for joy at his passing, I'm not that big of a bastard, but that was my first reaction. Couldn't help it. =\

Condolences to those who were close to him.

[dee-bee-five]

The irony - that he should pass away just as Eon bring out their best, in my opinion, film in the entire franchise.

They say you shouldn't speak ill of the dead, so I won't. But I'm not a hypocrite, so I'm not going to suddenly start eulogising the man either. It is always a sadness when someone dies, but I can't pretend I'm going to mourn him. And if that sounds harsh, at least it's honest.

I merely observe that at least he enjoyed a considerable old age. Something that was denied Ian Fleming. I leave it to others to take what I mean from that.

Edited by dee-bee-five, 30 November 2006 - 07:46 AM.

[Colossus]

Rest in peace, Mr. McClory.

I always loved NSNA, a lot better than many of the EON films, yes it is indeed. Expertly handled by Kershner. In fact now that it's part of the company that EON's under, as a farewell of respect, they could put out McClory's intended version with the Thunderball score, maybe even the gunbarrel sequence!

Edited by Colossus, 30 November 2006 - 08:04 AM.

[Double-Oh Agent]

R.I.P. Kevin McClory


if it wasn't for him, Thunderball the book, the movie, and the (decidedly less impressive) Never Say Never Again would not be in our hands. At least, not in their current form. Those are, imo, huge positive contributions to Bond lore. Thanks Kevin.


(incidentally, I truly believe this deserves front page mention)

Completely agree on all counts, deth.

McClory's contribution to the Bond series, particularly in regards to the Bahamas and undersea stuff, cannot go unrecognized. How much credit he should get for the novel Thunderball, the Blofeld character, and SPECTRE can be argued, but what can't be argued is that he helped shape that novel which turned into the biggest Bond of all in the film series, and which he also co-produced.

McClory may not have been everyone's ideal Bond producer, but he nevertheless made a significant impact in the world of Bond. Because of him, we got to see what a legitimate remake of a Bond film would be like and he lured Sean Connery back for a seventh and final 007 film, for which we should all be grateful for.

R.I.P. Kevin and thanks for the memories.

[Vauxhall]

Further discussion here.

[MarcAngeDraco]

RIP

[Zorin Industries]

if it wasn't for him, Thunderball the book, the movie, and the (decidedly less impressive) Never Say Never Again would not be in our hands.

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"NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN" would not be in our hands" (?!!) Cinema and Bond is still trying to wash out the stains of that turgid TV movie off its palms like Lady Macbeth. Yes, he was a contributor to THUNDERBALL the book and film - and yes, his death is a sadness for those that knew him and I'm not trying to be deliberately crass.

Furthermore, it doesn't pave the way for SPECTRE fan-boys. The legalities with Eon and the Fleming estate have been long sorted. This "now he's dead, let's put SPECTRE in BOND 22" reeks of fan-boy bed-wetting and nothing resembling where the future of Bond resides. Eon could have used SPECTRE in CASINO ROYALE had they wanted to creatively. The situation is...they didn't. White cats, volcanoes and rockets are the hangovers of the glorious Ken Adam / 1960's era of Bond film making. But that was forty years ago.

My impressions of McClory - and solely those I picked up on in the press and literature - was that he was a "I used to be famous" whinger who couldn't get over the fact he's not on the Bond party bus (like a great many fans). To want to remake a remake of a film he only had a third involvement in is a tad tenuous and has very little to do with the longevity of the franchise. And to continually harp on about getting Connery back - and even Brosnan in the late 1980's - to remake NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN - smacks of creative disabilities and a complete disrespect for the Eon franchise.

R.I.P. definately. Not so sure about the "legacy".

[Zorin Industries]

"NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN" would not be in our hands" (?!!) Cinema and Bond is still trying to wash out the stains of that turgid TV movie off its palms like Lady Macbeth. Yes, he was a contributor to THUNDERBALL the book and film - and yes, his death is a sadness for those that knew him and I'm not trying to be deliberately crass.

Furthermore, it doesn't pave the way for SPECTRE fan-boys. The legalities with Eon and the Fleming estate have been long sorted. This "now he's dead, let's put SPECTRE in BOND 22" reeks of fan-boy bed-wetting and nothing resembling where the future of Bond resides. Eon could have used SPECTRE in CASINO ROYALE had they wanted to creatively. The situation is...they didn't. White cats, volcanoes and rockets are the hangovers of the glorious Ken Adam / 1960's era of Bond film making. But that was forty years ago.

My impressions of McClory - and solely those I picked up on in the press and literature - was that he was a "I used to be famous" whinger who couldn't get over the fact he's not on the Bond party bus (like a great many fans). To want to remake a remake of a film he only had a third involvement in is a tad tenuous and has very little to do with the longevity of the franchise. And to continually harp on about getting Connery back - and even Brosnan in the late 1980's - to remake NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN - smacks of creative disabilities and a complete disrespect for the Eon franchise.

R.I.P. definately. Not so sure about the "legacy".

[David Schofield]

Let's think fondly - at least for the moment - about McClory now that he's died, if we can.

At least in 1964-65 he had the good sense to go to EON with Thunderball and use all their in-house expertise including Connery to get the film made. He had the business sense to make a deal that was agreeable for both sides.

Which is far more admirable and creditable than Charles K. Feldman who was simply so unreasonable in his dealings with EON that we missed a classic 60s Casino Royale.

[Double-Oh Agent]

Let's think fondly - at least for the moment - about McClory now that he's died, if we can.

At least in 1964-65 he had the good sense to go to EON with Thunderball and use all their in-house expertise including Connery to get the film made. He had the business sense to make a deal that was agreeable for both sides.

Which is far more admirable and creditable than Charles K. Feldman who was simply so unreasonable in his dealings with EON that we missed a classic 60s Casino Royale.

Good point Schofield.