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[yolt13]

(whose bright idea was it to put another feelgood sports drama up against BALBOA?)

Probably the same genius who decided to let McG (?!?!) direct WE ARE MARSHALL. Because when I think of heartbreaking tragedies that become inspiring comeback tales, I automatically think of the director of the CHARLIE'S ANGELS movies. Maybe Mc "Thank God I Passed On Superman!" G will be inspired by the head-to-head competition and decide to make his own Rocky movie, THE ROCKY BLEIER STORY. I can just see the feelgood dance scene when the bravest Steeler realizes that his grenade-shattered leg will again carry him over the grass at Three Rivers and decides to shake his bootie to KUNG FU FIGHTING.

[K1Bond007]

Sony's "Casino Royale" will continue to cash in overseas, even after more than a month in most territories. Foreign grosses hit $288.3 million as of Wednesday -- more than double the domestic take. "Casino," which is launching in South Korea and Hong Kong, will end the weekend far above the previous worldwide record for a Bond pic, the $431 million for "Die Another Day."

288.3 + 139.7 = 428. Almost. That was as of Wednesday. If you do a little more math then Royale possibly topped Die Another Day's gross today (Thursday). Definitely by Friday and it should pick up a decent weekend with the launch in S. Korea and Hong Kong as well as a nice boost due to Christmas in the States.

http://www.variety.c...1...yid=13&cs=1

[Byron]

I bet that Brozza will secretly be hoping that this isn't going to happen.

Oh, he doesn't seem to be minding at all judging from what we have/haven't heard from him.

I can't wait for someone to ask Brozza:

"So how do you feel now that CR has outgrossed your last effort DAD?"

A bit like one of our CBN comrades did a little while ago with another question (sorry i cannot remember your name but what you did was brilliant!)

But haven't heard a thing from Brozza at all since CR was released.

Edited by Byron, 22 December 2006 - 07:10 AM.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

Casino Royale - Box Office Details

CBn rounds up all the latest details

*Updated on 22 December 2006.

[A Kristatos]

With four major movies released this week, each taking 2k-3k screens, CR is on the chopping block as far as theatres go, its losing 849 theatres (which still isn't as bad as the losses Deja Vu, Unaccompanied Minors, and Deck the halls are getting), leaving it at 1588 venues, so it will no doubt be parting company with the top ten this weekend, unless perhaps everyone goes crazy for Bond on Christmas day!
On Thursday, CR hits $140 million in the US; By comparison, DAD had $142, and still had 1875 theatres over its Christmas weekend, with only had one new wide release to compete with (Catch me if you can), whereas CR is up against newcomers Rocky Balboa, Night at the museum, The Good shepherd, and We are Marshall (whose bright idea was it to put another feelgood sports drama up against BALBOA?). So DAD had a bit of an advantage as there was more theater space available, it remains to be seen whether or not CR can nudge past it, I think by Jan 2nd we'll know for sure.

Ah, you've gotta love the good ol' USA! Not that CR has done badly here, it hasn't, but I guess there is a certain segment of "Bond" fans who will not go out and see a classy, outstanding Bond movie unless it has "invisible" cars and lousy CGI! Factoring in the cost of ticket price increases since 2002, CR really should gross about $175 million or so to be considered on par with DAD. So a $160 million gross, while in exact dollar amount would be equal with DAD, would in actuality signal a pretty decent decrease in viewers. Maybe I'm asking for too much, but I guess I expected a little higher gross here in the USA. We'll see what happens by the weekend after New Years before the final chapter is written on CR.

[JackWade]

CR needs a big holiday because there's at least 10 movies that are going to be ahead of it at the box office.

I'm not so sure CR is going to blow past DAD at the US box office. If it does, it won't be by much.

However, CR will certainly overtake DAD as the #1 all-time Bond movie worldwide.

[K1Bond007]

However, CR will certainly overtake DAD as the #1 all-time Bond movie worldwide.

Well it should have passed it by now -- last I checked it was only off by 3 million and that was a couple days ago.

[HildebrandRarity]

I'm not so sure CR is going to blow past DAD at the US box office. If it does, it won't be by much.

Casino Royale has done worse than Die Another Day in the US, admissions wise, because it does not have an Afro American 'star' as lead Bond Girl and lacks dumbed-down (and more importantly, obvious,) computer animation like tsunami surfing, invisible Astons and a cartoon diving backwards off a cliff.

You can strictly put it down to American preferences. If it was not for Canada, CR's "US Box Office" numbers would be even worse if you looked only at the U.S.'s portion of "US Box Office".

As someone said, to be on par with DAD for ticket price inflation, CR would need to be at about $175 or so Mil.

Luckily for Eon, Bond is a world-wide brand...and thankfully for us long time James Bond fans, Eon knows that the US itself is not what it used to be in decades past and does not need merely one country to have the next movie in the pipeline.

[kneelbeforezod]

Far less children must be watching it as well, which must have an impact.

[dinovelvet]

I'm not so sure CR is going to blow past DAD at the US box office. If it does, it won't be by much.

Casino Royale has done worse than Die Another Day in the US, admissions wise, because it does not have an Afro American 'star' as lead Bond Girl and lacks dumbed-down (and more importantly, obvious,) computer animation like tsunami surfing, invisible Astons and a cartoon diving backwards off a cliff.

You can strictly put it down to American preferences. If it was not for Canada, CR's "US Box Office" numbers would be even worse if you looked only at the U.S.'s portion of "US Box Office".

As someone said, to be on par with DAD for ticket price inflation, CR would need to be at about $175 or so Mil.

Luckily for Eon, Bond is a world-wide brand...and thankfully for us long time James Bond fans, Eon knows that the US itself is not what it used to be in decades past and does not need merely one country to have the next movie in the pipeline.

Yeah, it seems that the US is one of the few countries where CR is not doing *outstanding* business. In the UK its challenging Pirates of the Caribbean for the No.1 of the year spot - imagine if it was doing that in the US - $400 million or so! Still, CR took in another $3.1 mil this weekend (in 11th place), which is still a good holdover - Blood Diamond and Apocalypto plummeted past it.

[Tiin007]

I love CR and agree that it is doing extremely well, but in my mind it won't beat DAD's worldwide gross until inflation is adjusted, in which case DAD made roughly $489 million 2006 dollars. So, IF CR beats that, then I'll be happy (not that I'm not happy already ).

[K1Bond007]

Casino Royale topped Die Another Day's unadjusted worldwide gross and is now the highest grossing (unadjusted) for the franchise. Currently sits at $448 million and is likely to pick up another $5 million worldwide on Christmas Day. It is now also the fourth film of 2006 to pass 300 million overseas (Pirates 2, Da Vinci, Ice Age 2). Variety

Charting Royale:
U.S. (Ranked 12)
Worldwide (Ranked 15th)

[dinovelvet]

I love CR and agree that it is doing extremely well, but in my mind it won't beat DAD's worldwide gross until inflation is adjusted, in which case DAD made roughly $489 million 2006 dollars. So, IF CR beats that, then I'll be happy (not that I'm not happy already ).

Well, not far to go for that :

http://www.variety.c...8...yid=13&cs=1

Its now at $448 million, putting it way past DAD's unadjusted total, and now looks a lock to be the No.4 movie of the year worldwide (once it passes X-Men 3 and Cars at $461 mil). I think SONY will go all out to push it past the $500 million mark.

[Tiin007]

I love CR and agree that it is doing extremely well, but in my mind it won't beat DAD's worldwide gross until inflation is adjusted, in which case DAD made roughly $489 million 2006 dollars. So, IF CR beats that, then I'll be happy (not that I'm not happy already ).

Well, not far to go for that :

http://www.variety.c...8...yid=13&cs=1

Its now at $448 million, putting it way past DAD's unadjusted total, and now looks a lock to be the No.4 movie of the year worldwide (once it passes X-Men 3 and Cars at $461 mil). I think SONY will go all out to push it past the $500 million mark.

Nice! But the fact that CR loses hundreds of theaters by the week plus the fact that most people have already seen it (or were never planning to) makes me doubt that it will reach $500 million. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

[Dr. Noah]

It'll pass $500 mil easily. There's the holiday box office to come in, yet, and then it'll be playing at some level worldwide for a couple of months yet. And it hasn't even opened in some countries yet.

[Qwerty]

Nice!

[A Kristatos]

I'm not so sure CR is going to blow past DAD at the US box office. If it does, it won't be by much.

Casino Royale has done worse than Die Another Day in the US, admissions wise, because it does not have an Afro American 'star' as lead Bond Girl and lacks dumbed-down (and more importantly, obvious,) computer animation like tsunami surfing, invisible Astons and a cartoon diving backwards off a cliff.

You can strictly put it down to American preferences. If it was not for Canada, CR's "US Box Office" numbers would be even worse if you looked only at the U.S.'s portion of "US Box Office".

As someone said, to be on par with DAD for ticket price inflation, CR would need to be at about $175 or so Mil.

Luckily for Eon, Bond is a world-wide brand...and thankfully for us long time James Bond fans, Eon knows that the US itself is not what it used to be in decades past and does not need merely one country to have the next movie in the pipeline.

Thank god. If this had been 20 years ago, Eon would look at the U.S. numbers and give Craig one more chance to reverse the trend. If the box office numbers continued to decline, then someone would sue Eon for something, and Eon would have their excuse to keep Craig waiting for five years before he quits in disgust (not that they would have rehired him anyway)! They would then bring in Orlando Bloom to play Bond, and the franchise would bring in record numbers for the next six Bond films!

Oh, for the first Bloom Bond film, Eon would then utilize a rectangular invisible figher jet to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Pong video game! That would gurantee the first $1 billion worldwide box office take, with $800 million of that coming from the U.S., Canada not included!

[HildebrandRarity]

Thank god. If this had been 20 years ago, Eon would look at the U.S. numbers and give Craig one more chance to reverse the trend. If the box office numbers continued to decline, then someone would sue Eon for something, and Eon would have their excuse to keep Craig waiting for five years before he quits in disgust (not that they would have rehired him anyway)! They would then bring in Orlando Bloom to play Bond, and the franchise would bring in record numbers for the next six Bond films!

Oh, for the first Bloom Bond film, Eon would then utilize a rectangular invisible figher jet to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Pong video game! That would gurantee the first $1 billion worldwide box office take, with $800 million of that coming from the U.S., Canada not included!

;-)

LOL!!!!

[HildebrandRarity]

I love CR and agree that it is doing extremely well, but in my mind it won't beat DAD's worldwide gross until inflation is adjusted, in which case DAD made roughly $489 million 2006 dollars. So, IF CR beats that, then I'll be happy (not that I'm not happy already ).

Another thing to factor in if you really, truly, legitimately want to compare it to DAD is to look at it "currency adjusted".

I'd been mentioning before the premiere that the US Dollar has declined about 25 percent against the Euro, Pound, Yen and Australian and Canadian dollars over the past 4 years which means that the foreign box office numbers for Casino Royale are inflated vis-a-vis Die Another Day if you are reporting numbers in US Dollar terms.

I don't have all the currency cross rates from late 2002 in front of me at the moment, but if you took all the numbers for DAD from the various countries and used todays cross currency rates, then DAD's numbers would be higher by about 20-25 percent on the International front.

Then you can add the inflation adjusted.

Still, for a movie to be the 20th sequel of a franchise and to go A) 2h 24m; B ) without a 'known' lead; and, C) without stupid and childish CGI such as a gigantic squid/octopus swallowing Johnny Depp's interpretation of Kieth Richards, remains a totally outstanding achievement.

A well done to Eon and the members of CBn who have supported this movie. We should be proud of the Broccolis and of ourselves for keeping the faith.

Merry Christmas all!

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 25 December 2006 - 01:45 AM.

[A Kristatos]

Thank god. If this had been 20 years ago, Eon would look at the U.S. numbers and give Craig one more chance to reverse the trend. If the box office numbers continued to decline, then someone would sue Eon for something, and Eon would have their excuse to keep Craig waiting for five years before he quits in disgust (not that they would have rehired him anyway)! They would then bring in Orlando Bloom to play Bond, and the franchise would bring in record numbers for the next six Bond films!

Oh, for the first Bloom Bond film, Eon would then utilize a rectangular invisible figher jet to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Pong video game! That would gurantee the first $1 billion worldwide box office take, with $800 million of that coming from the U.S., Canada not included!

;-)

LOL!!!!

Glad you liked that!

I liked your "Pirates of the Carribean" reference as well!

I just get frustrated when I see what passes off as entertainment for so many people here in the U.S. Not that CR did that badly here, it didn't. But compared to the rest of the world, I guess Americans would rather see more explosions and CGI (and bad CGI at that) than an excellent, intricate storyline that requires more than five consecutive minutes of attention. Oh well! What can you say.

You and everyone else on CBN have a Merry Christmas as well!

Edited by A Kristatos, 25 December 2006 - 03:27 AM.

[dinovelvet]

Well CR continues to slog onward and upward at the box office. It has taken in $146.4 mil as of Dec.26th, and is now just $14 million short of DAD's final total. Even though its in 13th place, CR is taking in over a million bucks a day all this week, that's the Christmas effect at the box office. It should be at $150 by Saturday morning, and be boosted to 154 or so by the end of the 3-day New Year weekend, which would put it a tiny bit ahead of DAD.

[A Kristatos]

Well CR continues to slog onward and upward at the box office. It has taken in $146.4 mil as of Dec.26th, and is now just $14 million short of DAD's final total. Even though its in 13th place, CR is taking in over a million bucks a day all this week, that's the Christmas effect at the box office. It should be at $150 by Saturday morning, and be boosted to 154 or so by the end of the 3-day New Year weekend, which would put it a tiny bit ahead of DAD.

Well, CR probably will hit around $160 million or so again once all is said and done. A couple of million dollars more than DAD wouldn't hurt though.

[simone007]

I just get frustrated when I see what passes off as entertainment for so many people here in the U.S. Not that CR did that badly here, it didn't. But compared to the rest of the world, I guess Americans would rather see more explosions and CGI (and bad CGI at that) than an excellent, intricate storyline that requires more than five consecutive minutes of attention. Oh well! What can you say.

You and everyone else on CBN have a Merry Christmas as well!

Well, as an American here, I sometimes wonder myself if other Americans are turned off by all British/European casts. James Bond is British Secret Service, not the FBI or CIA or some other cool covert American government spy agency, and believe it or not, the Americans who flock to see other movies of this caliber but not Bond probably just don't like accents and things/people that are not representative of who they are or what they want to be. It sounds stupid, I agree, but that's what I think.

Family movie or not, I find it hard to believe that Happy Feet did so astonishingly well against Casino Royale, keeping it from being #1 for 3 weeks, and when they both fell from the top, that Mel Gibson Apocolypto went to #1 by earning a measley $14 million on its opening weekend. It's pathetic.

Thank God for world wide box office totals to measure the true success of a worthy film.

/end calm rant.

[A Kristatos]

I just get frustrated when I see what passes off as entertainment for so many people here in the U.S. Not that CR did that badly here, it didn't. But compared to the rest of the world, I guess Americans would rather see more explosions and CGI (and bad CGI at that) than an excellent, intricate storyline that requires more than five consecutive minutes of attention. Oh well! What can you say.

You and everyone else on CBN have a Merry Christmas as well!

Well, as an American here, I sometimes wonder myself if other Americans are turned off by all British/European casts. James Bond is British Secret Service, not the FBI or CIA or some other cool covert American government spy agency, and believe it or not, the Americans who flock to see other movies of this caliber but not Bond probably just don't like accents and things/people that are not representative of who they are or what they want to be. It sounds stupid, I agree, but that's what I think.

Family movie or not, I find it hard to believe that Happy Feet did so astonishingly well against Casino Royale, keeping it from being #1 for 3 weeks, and when they both fell from the top, that Mel Gibson Apocolypto went to #1 by earning a measley $14 million on its opening weekend. It's pathetic.

Thank God for world wide box office totals to measure the true success of a worthy film.

/end calm rant.

Well, that's not entirely true. My point was DAD did much better in terms of ticket sales and percentage of worldwide total intake most likely because of the goofy CGI special effects and OTT plot. I think that sells better here in the U.S. than the more serious storyline. Also, there were more non-Bond/Pierce Brosnan fans watching than non-Bond/Daniel Craig fans. I don't think it has anything to do with the predominantly British actors. I was just comparing CR to other Bond films, not CR to all action or spy films.

Edited by A Kristatos, 28 December 2006 - 03:06 AM.

[K1Bond007]

I just get frustrated when I see what passes off as entertainment for so many people here in the U.S. Not that CR did that badly here, it didn't. But compared to the rest of the world, I guess Americans would rather see more explosions and CGI (and bad CGI at that) than an excellent, intricate storyline that requires more than five consecutive minutes of attention. Oh well! What can you say.

You and everyone else on CBN have a Merry Christmas as well!

Well, as an American here, I sometimes wonder myself if other Americans are turned off by all British/European casts. James Bond is British Secret Service, not the FBI or CIA or some other cool covert American government spy agency, and believe it or not, the Americans who flock to see other movies of this caliber but not Bond probably just don't like accents and things/people that are not representative of who they are or what they want to be. It sounds stupid, I agree, but that's what I think.

Family movie or not, I find it hard to believe that Happy Feet did so astonishingly well against Casino Royale, keeping it from being #1 for 3 weeks, and when they both fell from the top, that Mel Gibson Apocolypto went to #1 by earning a measley $14 million on its opening weekend. It's pathetic.

Thank God for world wide box office totals to measure the true success of a worthy film.

/end calm rant.

Well, that's not entirely true. My point was DAD did much better in terms of ticket sales and percentage of worldwide total intake most likely because of the goofy CGI special effects and OTT plot. I think that sells better here in the U.S. than the more serious storyline. Also, there were more non-Bond/Pierce Brosnan fans watching than non-Bond/Daniel Craig fans. I don't think it has anything to do with the predominantly British actors. I was just comparing CR to other Bond films, not CR to all action or spy films.

Die Another Day did better in the States because of Halle Berry and her recent Oscar win. I think that's seriously the reason. I don't think it has anything to do with the plot or the CGI or whatever else.

As far as America is concerned, I think it's unfair to really compare Casino Royale and Die Another Day. I'd be saying this even if Royale was blowing DAD out of the water. This is Craig's first and IMHO, Americans need to warm up to this sort of thing. That's why Tomorrow Never Dies did much better than GoldenEye. This differs from overseas markets where they're quick to "check out the new guy" then the numbers dwindle for the next film. That's why Tomorrow Never Dies got stomped by GoldenEye. Look at the numbers for Royale right now. It's on track to meet GoldenEye in both markets and that's great. Bond 22 will most likely do better in the United States than CR and fall short worldwide. But lets hope that Royale's amazingly good word and reviews breaks that cycle and kicks Bond 22's worldwide number even higher. It's always possible.

[DanMan]

If you look at U.S. admissions, CR has already beaten Connery, Laz, Moore, and Dalton in their debut films and it's on track to beat GE so I think it's safe to say that CR is only the beginning of a very successful tenure and U.S. admissions will only go up.

[A Kristatos]

If you look at U.S. admissions, CR has already beaten Connery, Laz, Moore, and Dalton in their debut films and it's on track to beat GE so I think it's safe to say that CR is only the beginning of a very successful tenure and U.S. admissions will only go up.

Very true. And CR did get a little bit of a boost from the holiday box office the last few days. CR has grossed about $4 million the last three days bringing the U.S. total up to roughly $147.7 million. I think $160 million now looks like a fairly good bet at the very least.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

Casino Royale - Box Office Details

CBn rounds up all the latest details

*Updated on 29 December 2006.

[K1Bond007]

Qwerty you might want to update the "Estimates" section. One paragraph in there can probably be removed since the estimate already occurred.

Just a heads up.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

Up to $453 million. Good job, CR.