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[HildebrandRarity]

Friday -

1 APOCALYPTO $4,950,000

Gotta see this one when it comes out here in Oz.

Well dear Mel is the biggest ever Antipodean, isn't he?

[Cody]

Weekend estimates -

1 Apocalypto $14,166,000
2 The Holiday $13,500,000
3 Happy Feet $12,718,000
4 Casino Royale $8,800,000

CR's current U.S. total: $128,894,000

[Natalya]

I don't understand why Happy Feet keeps beating Casino Royale week after week? It's just an average movie at best.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Friday -

1 APOCALYPTO $4,950,000

Gotta see this one when it comes out here in Oz.

Well dear Mel is the biggest ever Antipodean, isn't he?

He's always had an American passport, actually.

[HildebrandRarity]

I don't understand why Happy Feet keeps beating Casino Royale week after week? It's just an average movie at best.

It only beats CR in the US and even then only on the weekends. Even in the US, CR has beaten Crappy Feat almost every single weekday including opening day and US Thanksgiving day.

If you look at the top movie in the US on a daily basis, CR is number 1 more often than HF.

Week after week Casino Royale beats the out of Happy Feet in the UK, Germany, Canada, France and basically every country in the world.

The US is an anomaly and there can be a thesis done on the state of America and its place on the planet using CR/HF box office numbers. I kid you not.

Perhaps some (not all) American parents want to "feel good" about supporting something with an "Environmentally Friendly Message" to it on saturdays and sundays in order to clense their guilt of over-consumption...perhaps some of them (not all) cave-in to their kids on saturdays and sundays to off-set the guilt they feel for working too hard during the week and neglecting them for for 5 days...perhaps because CR is an English/European movie with English/European actors except one and some (not all) Americans love to see/hear other Americans (dubbed in the case of HF).

Who knows...it's worthy of a University level thesis.

;-)

On a more practical and factual level CR is almost an hour longer than HF and kids, according to studies, have a shorter attention span than adults. I think run time has and an effect to some degree. I know that my 10 year old found CR to be a touch longish near the end on opening day.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 10 December 2006 - 07:44 PM.

[triviachamp]

He's always had an American passport, actually.

He was born in the US actually.

[RivenWinner]

Well this is expected afterall. I mean, two new movies opened up that target similar audiences, Apocalypto and Blood Diamond. If you ask me, Blood Diamond is the one that got the worse of it, coming behind CR on its opening weekend. I think THe Holiday became the surprise of the weekend though, as no one really thought it would do so well.

I don't understand why Happy Feet keeps beating Casino Royale week after week? It's just an average movie at best.

Well, I mean, this one is obvious. Happy Feet is a kids/family friendly movie, and it is without a doubt the family film of the season. As someone else pointed out above, CR beats it bascially everday of the week, except Saturdays and Sundays, a typically a time when families go out to the movies. On top of that, CR does have a longer running time, which means it gets to play in less theaters. Also, take in mind that Happy Feet is playing in IMAX theaters as well, whose ticket prices are much, much more expensive than normal theaters. Regardless of this fact, the IMAX angle does play too much into the whole thing, but it's still something to consider.

[kneelbeforezod]

Perhaps some (not all) American parents want to "feel good" about supporting something with an "Environmentally Friendly Message" to it on saturdays and sundays in order to clense their guilt of over-consumption...perhaps some of them (not all) cave-in to their kids on saturdays and sundays to off-set the guilt they feel for working too hard during the week and neglecting them for for 5 days...perhaps because CR is an English/European movie with English/European actors except one and some (not all) Americans love to see/hear other Americans (dubbed in the case of HF).

Who knows...it's worthy of a University level thesis.

That load of cobblers isn't even worthy of a primary school thesis!

It's a decent kids film, with singing dancing penguins, and the kids love it. End of story.

Rather than constantly hammering at this film, you should take a leaf out of Daniel Craig's/Robin Williams' book: When they appeared on Parkinson, they were very gracious about the success of their respective films, enjoying the fact that there was room in the marketplace for both to do well.

[HildebrandRarity]

Rather than constantly hammering at this film...

I've actually seen the movie. Have you?

[kneelbeforezod]

Rather than constantly hammering at this film...

I've actually seen the movie. Have you?

Yup. And I agree that things take a turn for the strange towards the end. But it is still a quality film. Unlike Over The Hedge, Barnyard, Open Season, Hoodwinked, Garfield 2 etc

[Publius]

I've noticed in other threads that you are pretty savvy when it comes to box office, going into detail about inflation, admissions etc... and now your predictions for CR appear to be right on the money.

Consequently, I bestow on you the title of "Captain Box Office"; you can now use it after your name on letterheads etc

Thanks , but I really don't know a lot about box office. I do know a little about Bond, however.

But seriously, my predictions were a combination of gut instinct and some common sense analysis (which I owe to my undergraduate economics background): this movie was relatively controversial, so had a lot more to prove, hence a lower domestic opening weekend but good word of mouth keeping it afloat longer; American box office is down across the board (rapid-fire DVD releases probably part of it), and this movie is a lot more "adult" in content and "international" in scope, hence a domestic tally very similar to TWINE and GE, but lower than DAD and TND; and for the same qualitative reasons it's doing more modestly in the States, plus its retro vibe echoing the classic era of Bond (which my personal experience has shown me sells better to "foreigners" than Americanized stuff like Bourne and xXx), not to mention higher exchange rates, it's kicking most places overseas (and Canada).

Anyway, it seems the numbers are playing out in such a way that CR will indeed finish at about $160 million domestic (and hopefully better!), thanks to its constantly increasing out-performance of DAD. Either way, it is now already the second best performing Bond movie domestically, unadjusted for inflation.

[HildebrandRarity]

Rather than constantly hammering at this film...

I've actually seen the movie. Have you?

Yup. And I agree that things take a turn for the strange towards the end. But it is still a quality film. Unlike Over The Hedge, Barnyard, Open Season, Hoodwinked, Garfield 2 etc

I saw Over The Hedge but mercifully escaped the others you mentioned. Ice Age 2 was not too bad.

[Qwerty]

I don't understand why Happy Feet keeps beating Casino Royale week after week? It's just an average movie at best.

http://boxofficemojo...jamesbond21.htm - Casino Royale has won several of the weekdays.

[K1Bond007]

Variety: 'Casino' wins third straight weekend at foreign box office

With weekday grosses of about $5 million and openings this weekend in Australia and Mexico, "Casino Royale" will soon pass "Die Another Day" as the top foreign grosser among Bond pics at $271 million. Combined worldwide grosses for "Casino" as of Dec. 6 hit $331 million, $100 million short of "Die Another Day."

$271 might be at the end of the weekend which may put Bond at $400 million worldwide (271+129). Adjusted for inflation Casino Royale, as of this weekend, passed Dr. No in U.S. gross making it #16 of all Bond films (20 + NSNA and CR67). Likewise, when it hits 400 it will become #16 worldwide finally surpassing Octopussy.

[Janus Assassin]

do u think that it will still be playing on december 23rd. because im going home on leave then and i want to see it with my dad, but im afraid that it will be limited

[Bon-san]

Perhaps some (not all) American parents want to "feel good" about supporting something with an "Environmentally Friendly Message" to it on saturdays and sundays in order to clense their guilt of over-consumption...perhaps some of them (not all) cave-in to their kids on saturdays and sundays to off-set the guilt they feel for working too hard during the week and neglecting them for for 5 days...perhaps because CR is an English/European movie with English/European actors except one and some (not all) Americans love to see/hear other Americans (dubbed in the case of HF).

Who knows...it's worthy of a University level thesis.

It's a decent kids film, with singing dancing penguins, and the kids love it. End of story.

Quite. There's no deep psycho-analytical angle to this. Parents take their kids to movies aimed at kids. Saturday afternoon, Soccer Mom takes her two kids to see Happy Feet. That's three tickets. Then, Saturday evening Soccer Mom goes on a date with her husband and they see Casino Royale. That's two tickets. See how that works?

[HildebrandRarity]

Perhaps some (not all) American parents want to "feel good" about supporting something with an "Environmentally Friendly Message" to it on saturdays and sundays in order to clense their guilt of over-consumption...perhaps some of them (not all) cave-in to their kids on saturdays and sundays to off-set the guilt they feel for working too hard during the week and neglecting them for for 5 days...perhaps because CR is an English/European movie with English/European actors except one and some (not all) Americans love to see/hear other Americans (dubbed in the case of HF).

Who knows...it's worthy of a University level thesis.

It's a decent kids film, with singing dancing penguins, and the kids love it. End of story.

Quite. There's no deep psycho-analytical angle to this. Parents take their kids to movies aimed at kids. Saturday afternoon, Soccer Mom takes her two kids to see Happy Feet. That's three tickets. Then, Saturday evening Soccer Mom goes on a date with her husband and they see Casino Royale. That's two tickets. See how that works?

I don't quite think so. The above soccer mom scenarios seems to be happening only in the US (where, incidentally, it's football / basketball / hockey season...not soccer season)...anyway/regardless....

Elsewhere, including the closest country to the US in terms of sensibility and culture i.e. Canada, Casino is CRUSHING Happy Feet.

I think some of the points I make are not invalid...plus the "run time" angle still holds.

I've seen Happy Feet and it just takes a sudden environmental turn for the worst at about the 1h 10m marker.

[Bon-san]

Perhaps some (not all) American parents want to "feel good" about supporting something with an "Environmentally Friendly Message" to it on saturdays and sundays in order to clense their guilt of over-consumption...perhaps some of them (not all) cave-in to their kids on saturdays and sundays to off-set the guilt they feel for working too hard during the week and neglecting them for for 5 days...perhaps because CR is an English/European movie with English/European actors except one and some (not all) Americans love to see/hear other Americans (dubbed in the case of HF).

Who knows...it's worthy of a University level thesis.

Is this really for real?

I can't speak for all of the USA, but...

Parents here in the ol' US of A don't really send their children to the cinema to receive 'messages'. They send them to be entertained, diverted.

Parents in the USA do sometimes cave in to their kids demands. Perhaps, on occasion out of guilt. Usually, though, it's for the sake of expediency.

I'm sure there are some parents in the USA who don't want their kids going to see films with European actors in them. Er, actually I'm not sure. Why would this be the case, again?

The guilt felt in regards to overconsumption, if/when felt, would predominately be felt by the five percent of Americans who are actually wealthy (the ones that account for 90 percent of the nation's wealth). Unless, by overconsumption you are referring to esophogial intake. On that score, it is perhaps interesting to contemplate that millions of parents are sending their kids to a penguin movie to ease the guilt of their own obesity.

Here it is again: Us 'mericans are too durn stoopid to possess any of the clever motivations you've proposed. If it blinks, flashes and makes funny sounds, we'll go pay to see it. And we'll take our kids twice. Heh, heh, funny talking penguins walking funny. Heh, heh.

[Donovan]

In fact, I'd bet against it.

So I propose a bet

what the heck. Let's gamble.

Where were you when I was proposing $1000 bets a month BEFORE the movie came out?

If you're so bold, why didnt you ante up BEFORE the product was out in the market.

I doesnt take much balls to bet on a race once the horses are 2/3rds of the way to the post. Betting does not work that way.

Betting works the way any two or more willing parties decide it does. But I'll concede you're obviously an expert on balls.

I love it when these new guys bust in here and throw their opinions around like they discovered electricity.

[Bon-san]

Doh! Didn't mean to post here.

[A Kristatos]

I've noticed in other threads that you are pretty savvy when it comes to box office, going into detail about inflation, admissions etc... and now your predictions for CR appear to be right on the money.

Consequently, I bestow on you the title of "Captain Box Office"; you can now use it after your name on letterheads etc

Thanks , but I really don't know a lot about box office. I do know a little about Bond, however.

But seriously, my predictions were a combination of gut instinct and some common sense analysis (which I owe to my undergraduate economics background): this movie was relatively controversial, so had a lot more to prove, hence a lower domestic opening weekend but good word of mouth keeping it afloat longer; American box office is down across the board (rapid-fire DVD releases probably part of it), and this movie is a lot more "adult" in content and "international" in scope, hence a domestic tally very similar to TWINE and GE, but lower than DAD and TND; and for the same qualitative reasons it's doing more modestly in the States, plus its retro vibe echoing the classic era of Bond (which my personal experience has shown me sells better to "foreigners" than Americanized stuff like Bourne and xXx), not to mention higher exchange rates, it's kicking most places overseas (and Canada).

Anyway, it seems the numbers are playing out in such a way that CR will indeed finish at about $160 million domestic (and hopefully better!), thanks to its constantly increasing out-performance of DAD. Either way, it is now already the second best performing Bond movie domestically, unadjusted for inflation.

Bingo! You hit the nail right on the head. American audiences would much rather take in movies with lots of "bells and whistles" instead of a story full of substance. I've seen XXX, and while it has its moments, and a knockout girl in Asia Argento ( ), that movie is crap compared to CR! Believe it or not, I have not seen either of the Bourne movies, but regardless of the country of origin of the lead actor, I say who cares! Just give me a good story and I will see it. Unfortunately, many of us Americans do have a short attention span and/or have no desire to work their way through a quality storyline. That is a shame!

[K1Bond007]

Updated charts with actuals through Sunday Dec 10.

U.S. | World

#8 highest grossing film of 2006 worldwide thus far.
#2 highest grossing James Bond film in the U.S. (unadjusted).
#3 highest grossing James Bond film in the world (unadjusted).
#16 highest grossing James Bond film in the U.S. (adjusted).
#17 highest grossing James Bond film in the world (adjusted).

[A Kristatos]

Updated charts with actuals through Sunday Dec 10.

U.S. | World

#8 highest grossing film of 2006 worldwide thus far.
#2 highest grossing James Bond film in the U.S. (unadjusted).
#3 highest grossing James Bond film in the world (unadjusted).
#16 highest grossing James Bond film in the U.S. (adjusted).
#17 highest grossing James Bond film in the world (adjusted).

Okay. I guess I have to take back my previous post. It looks like the U.S. is outgrossing the world, ever so slightly.

[K1Bond007]

Okay. I guess I have to take back my previous post. It looks like the U.S. is outgrossing the world, ever so slightly.

Nah, it's really not. It seems like a trend to me that Americans don't flock to the first film of a new Bond actor. They didn't go for OHMSS, LALD, TLD, or even GE. Some of those are bigger than others (GE), but then look at those same films worldwide. They're the biggest for those actors. One can probably make a damn good prediction here that Bond 22 will end up like Tomorrow Never Dies, The World Is Not Enough, or Die Another Day in that the domestic intake will be greater than Casino Royale, but the worldwide number will fall short of beating it. Most people I've seen that have seen CR have said that they can't wait to see where the franchise goes for Bond 22. It's almost a forgone conclusion, IMHO.

[JackWade]

Updated charts with actuals through Sunday Dec 10.

U.S. | World

#8 highest grossing film of 2006 worldwide thus far.
#2 highest grossing James Bond film in the U.S. (unadjusted).
#3 highest grossing James Bond film in the world (unadjusted).
#16 highest grossing James Bond film in the U.S. (adjusted).
#17 highest grossing James Bond film in the world (adjusted).

Yikes, I hope those adjusted rankings go up.

[A Kristatos]

Okay. I guess I have to take back my previous post. It looks like the U.S. is outgrossing the world, ever so slightly.

Nah, it's really not. It seems like a trend to me that Americans don't flock to the first film of a new Bond actor. They didn't go for OHMSS, LALD, TLD, or even GE. Some of those are bigger than others (GE), but then look at those same films worldwide. They're the biggest for those actors. One can probably make a damn good prediction here that Bond 22 will end up like Tomorrow Never Dies, The World Is Not Enough, or Die Another Day in that the domestic intake will be greater than Casino Royale, but the worldwide number will fall short of beating it. Most people I've seen that have seen CR have said that they can't wait to see where the franchise goes for Bond 22. It's almost a forgone conclusion, IMHO.

Yeah, it's a shame that people in the U.S. take time to warm up to a new actor just because the outgoing actor was more popular. I say give the new guy a chance before jumping to the wrong conclusion.

[K1Bond007]

Updated charts with actuals through Sunday Dec 10.

U.S. | World

#8 highest grossing film of 2006 worldwide thus far.
#2 highest grossing James Bond film in the U.S. (unadjusted).
#3 highest grossing James Bond film in the world (unadjusted).
#16 highest grossing James Bond film in the U.S. (adjusted).
#17 highest grossing James Bond film in the world (adjusted).

Yikes, I hope those adjusted rankings go up.

It's not that bad. It's still got a ways to go. For the world adjusted it's going to end up at about 9 or so. Could possibly do better. There's a cluster of them in the mid to high 70s and low 80s.

[Publius]

Seems possible it could beat worldwide admissions for YOLT. Maybe even Moonraker if it's staying power keeps up. Would love to see it knock FRWL out of the top three and sit up there with Goldfinger and Thunderball, but that seems out of the question now. Hopefully Craig becomes the first Bond since Connery to have admissions go up after his debut, and we might yet see that happen.

[dinovelvet]

Updated charts with actuals through Sunday Dec 10.

U.S. | World

#8 highest grossing film of 2006 worldwide thus far.
#2 highest grossing James Bond film in the U.S. (unadjusted).
#3 highest grossing James Bond film in the world (unadjusted).
#16 highest grossing James Bond film in the U.S. (adjusted).
#17 highest grossing James Bond film in the world (adjusted).

Yikes, I hope those adjusted rankings go up.

Well its only been out for four weeks! (With several countries still to go); DAD's numbers were still being added up into February. I think CR will comfortably surpass Goldeneye. TSWLM and MR are not out of the question either IMHO.

[dinovelvet]

Well the battle of the reboots has a winner :

BATMAN BEGINS total worldwide gross : 371.9 million
CASINO ROYALE worldwide gross after just four weeks : 376.2 million

http://www.boxoffice.../alltime/world/