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[stamper]

All those aspects reflect the times the books were written and the first movies were made: The 1950s and 1960s. Guess what? It's the 21st century now. For the Bond movies to engage the audiences of TODAY, they have to reflect what's going on TODAY.

I'm not quite sure, thought it is an option, but you don't update Gladiator to modern times, you just shoot it as a period piece, of course updating the cinematography to reflect the times. I think, and many here agree, that it is still an unexplored Bond option what we would like to see, even if just as a TV series adapting literaly the books, as a period piece.

Edited by stamper, 06 May 2006 - 03:47 PM.

[Jackanaples]

All those aspects reflect the times the books were written and the first movies were made: The 1950s and 1960s. Guess what? It's the 21st century now. For the Bond movies to engage the audiences of TODAY, they have to reflect what's going on TODAY.

I'm not quite sure, thought it is an option, but you don't update Gladiator to modern times, you just shoot it as a period piece, of course updating the cinematography to reflect the times. I think, and many here agree, that it is still an unexplored Bond option what we would like to see, even if just as a TV series adapting literaly the books, as a period piece.

Well, unless I'm very mistaken the CASINO ROYALE that EON is making right now is not a period piece. It's set in the present day, right?

If they were to do Bond as a period-piece then obviously he has to have an old crusty male superior, smoke loads of cigarettes, and Felix Leiter should be white. Goes without saying.

[Simon Beavis]

Sweet, some questions though:

Is the man jumping away from the construction site Felix or Obanno?

It looks like LRA troops are shooting at Bond, does this mean he goes to Uganda (I thought the finale was in Venice)

Lovely!

I wanted to see more of Vesper, of course, but I'll have to wait for November I suppose.

That's was her in the bikini, right?

[stone cold]

Bond is wearing an awesome jacket in the bodyworlds/knife scene.

mmmm... and also a white suit gettin out of the plane...and that blue top, and the cool open jacket suit in the b/w scenes..and the trunks...and the tux...and the holiday get-up in the chase scene...

Bonds clothes are [censored]ing cool in this movie.

Edited by stone cold, 06 May 2006 - 06:36 PM.

[Jackanaples]

Sweet, some questions though:

Is the man jumping away from the construction site Felix or Obanno?

It looks like LRA troops are shooting at Bond, does this mean he goes to Uganda (I thought the finale was in Venice)

That's was her (Vesper) in the bikini, right?

The man jumping or 'free running' away from the construction site is Mollaka, played by Sebastian Foucan.

The finale hasn't been shot yet. All the shots in the teaser are from the first third of the movie.

That's Vesper climbing out of the water and kissing Bond on the beach. Solange is the woman with the horse and straddling Bond with his shirt open.

[stamper]

I think Craig looks funny in the last shoot, because I think it may be from a time where he plays the ultimate stakes or something... nerves... incredible. This Bond will rule. Already, all around me, non-bond fans sighs of relief when they see the trailer "Bond is back with a killer face, not the neaty pretty playboy Broz with a stick up his stuff" is all I hear, of course formulated in different ways, all day long...

[jimsmith]

Because she's not the part of the series that seems old and tired. As I've said in another thread, if Bond has a woman for his superior it makes for a richer dynamic between the characters. This is obvious to most people watching the movies. I expect it will be even more pronounced between Craig and Dench than it was with Brosnan.

I really don't care that much if they picked a woman or not, they should have just picked somebody else since it's a "reboot" in their own words. Everybody else is new.

All those aspects reflect the times the books were written and the first movies were made: The 1950s and 1960s. Guess what? It's the 21st century now. For the Bond movies to engage the audiences of TODAY, they have to reflect what's going on TODAY.

It's not as if Fleming chose not to make M a woman as a mere creative choice. At the time it was written it would have been completely unrealistic to do otherwise. Ditto making Felix Leiter anything other than white, or Bond a non-smoker.

As it stands right now, the James Bond films were at their creative and stylish peak in the 1960s. There's no reason it has to remain that way though. With the resources available, EON (and we) should expect to have the best, most creative, stylish and intensely satisfying Bond movies to be made NOW. Movies with more inventive plots, deeper characters, more thrilling action sequences, and compulsively quotable dialogue.

That can't ever happen though if the filmmakers and filmgoers cling to a foolish consistency. EON stands Everything Or Nothing. I hope with CASINO ROYALE that for once they're living up to their name and risk it all for something incredible.

I'm sorry for going on so long.

I think you're reading too much into it. We don't know what Ian Fleming would have done in today's time. But it's probably pretty true, given his personality and views, that he probably wouldn't like the drastic changes that were made.

In taking your points about making Bond 21st century being more important than sticking to the book, then hell, why shouldn't the next James Bond be a black or asian guy?

[killkenny kid]

Well, the truth is now out. Now that we know the everyone hated Brosnan. I can tell the world, I was the one, who spend over 420 million on buying tickets for DAD. And no, stamper I'm not taking a shot at you. I'm just amazed at how many, now say they hated Brosnan. I didn't spend a dime on anything I don't like, I guess I'm the fool.

[Leon]

I think Craig looks funny in the last shoot, because I think it may be from a time where he plays the ultimate stakes or something... nerves... incredible. This Bond will rule. Already, all around me, non-bond fans sighs of relief when they see the trailer "Bond is back with a killer face, not the neaty pretty playboy Broz with a stick up his stuff" is all I hear, of course formulated in different ways, all day long...

Afraid not Stamper, it may well be the main set of the big games "Salle Priv

Edited by Leon, 06 May 2006 - 10:58 PM.

[Jackanaples]

I really don't care that much if they picked a woman or not, they should have just picked somebody else since it's a "reboot" in their own words. Everybody else is new.

I think you're reading too much into it. We don't know what Ian Fleming would have done in today's time. But it's probably pretty true, given his personality and views, that he probably wouldn't like the drastic changes that were made.

In taking your points about making Bond 21st century being more important than sticking to the book, then hell, why shouldn't the next James Bond be a black or asian guy?

I guess I don't like that idea because I feel it would be too gimmicky ill-convceived. It doesn't make the same creative sense to me. Having smart changes made to some supporting characters doesn't bother me much. James Bond is like Superman and shouldn't have anything too radical done to change him (blond hair doesn't count in my book).

But I'm not saying that if it was done well I wouldn't support it. There might be a truly compelling reason to make James Bond a black or Asian man. Perhaps I just haven't heard it yet. After all, Marvel did a mini series a couple years back where a black man is given the Super Soldier serum (ala the Tuskeegee experiments) months before Steve Rogers and becomes the first Captain America. That was cool.

[Dmitri Mishkin]

Well, the truth is now out. Now that we know the everyone hated Brosnan. I can tell the world, I was the one, who spend over 420 million on buying tickets for DAD. And no, stamper I'm not taking a shot at you. I'm just amazed at how many, now say they hated Brosnan. I didn't spend a dime on anything I don't like, I guess I'm the fool.

Same here. It's very puzzling. This whole refrain of, "Brosnan pretty boy pales in comparison to manly Craig" is strange. So I guess no one actually enjoyed the Brosnan films here and always felt he was wrong for the role?

[killkenny kid]

I'm fine with those who didn't like him for the role. I just would like to know, Who was going to the movie for sometime they didn't enjoy and why? But, back to the reason for the thread.

[Fro]

I liked Brosnan, but I have a problem with people who don't think someone else can play the role, and those who think you need to cast someone in the role that's in the Moore/Dalton/Brosnan looks mold.

Or people who think the trailer was ruined because Craig doesn't have perfectly conditioned and combed, 1980s hair in the last shot of the trailer.

[killkenny kid]

I liked Brosnan, but I have a problem with people who don't think someone else can play the role, and those who think you need to cast someone in the role that's in the Moore/Dalton/Brosnan looks mold.

Or people who think the trailer was ruined because Craig doesn't have perfectly conditioned and combed, 1980s hair in the last shot of the trailer.

indeed, and that's kind of sad. Because I think Craig is going to bring something special to the role. Bond is about more than looks. It is time for a new take on Bond. imo

[Agent 76]

It is time for a new take on Bond. imo

Amen, brother!

[Jackanaples]

I always said that Brosnan was the best Bond since Connery (though the competition was pretty light on the ground). If Lazenby had done a couple more films, I think he'd have the top spot.

I liked Brosnan (he was an infinite improvement over Roger Moore), but wish that the movies had been tougher. Ultimately though, I think he's too polished to be my version of James Bond. I've no idea how much of that was him and how much was EON though.

I think he was great in THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR and that it's even better than his Bond movies.

[Leon]

I liked Brosnan, but I have a problem with people who don't think someone else can play the role, and those who think you need to cast someone in the role that's in the Moore/Dalton/Brosnan looks mold.

Or people who think the trailer was ruined because Craig doesn't have perfectly conditioned and combed, 1980s hair in the last shot of the trailer.

indeed, and that's kind of sad. Because I think Craig is going to bring something special to the role. Bond is about more than looks. It is time for a new take on Bond. imo

Daniel Craig IS good looking, loads of women think so. He just has more rugged and "cruel" good looks.

[B5Erik]

I liked the trailer, although - to be honest - I thought that it focused too much on the action. Casino Royale is not an action story per se. EON has obviously added more action to the story than was in Fleming's original - that's good, and I would have done the same thing.

The only problem is that after the opening bit of dialogue the trailer turns into a quick cut action montage that looks like any other big budget action movie - with the James Bond theme playing in the background.

Hopefully the movie doesn't lose the "class" of most Bond movies. You can have great action, good dialogue, good character development, and still do it with the class and style that a James Bond film requires. Like I said, hopefully they kept the sense of class and style and just upped the ante, so to speak.

[Jackanaples]

I liked the trailer, although - to be honest - I thought that it focused too much on the action. Casino Royale is not an action story per se. EON has obviously added more action to the story than was in Fleming's original - that's good, and I would have done the same thing.

The only problem is that after the opening bit of dialogue the trailer turns into a quick cut action montage that looks like any other big budget action movie - with the James Bond theme playing in the background.

According to the many people on this board who have read the script --everything in the teaser is from the first third of the movie, which has most of the action scenes in it. The rest is still filming as we post.

Oh, and personally I hope that CR has more "class" than most Bond movies.

The teaser trailer is meant to grab your attention with lots of action and quick edits. Look at the image on the teaser poster. Do you honestly believe that if the movie was nothing but what was on the trailer that they would advertise it with such a classy, understated poster?

Don't just answer; think about it.

The full trailer is bound to have the stuff you're waiting for. I'm waiting to see it too. I have high hopes though.

Edited by Jackanaples, 10 May 2006 - 01:50 AM.

[Skudor]

I'm still loving most of that trailer (the bit with the solidiers running reminds me too much of GoldenEye, and Bond's single handed destruction of the Russian army). But I was having dinner the other day with some friends and Bond came up. It made me realise just how much most people associate Bond with film like TSWLM (a good Bond film, but not very similar to CR)_and the other Moore movies. Some of the girls weren't too keen on Craig (although I know plenty who are...).

People may or may not like Casino Royale, but I think many may feel short changed and feel like they were not shown a Bond film.

Who cares though - I'm getting the film I want!

[medrecess]

The lady climbing out of the pool is valenka played by Ivana Milicevic and not Green or Murino.

The movie looks too much like Goldeneye especially the flashy action sequences.Afterall lets not forget that the director is the same.

So much for all the noise made about the bigger action sequences of the Broznan era.It is all a sham.

This movie will be more like Goldeneye.

Pray that the next ne is not TND.

[DanMan]

It's nothing like the Brosnan era at all. If the movie plays out like the script, which it appears to be doing, it really should turn out to be a classic.

[Qwerty]

This movie will be more like Goldeneye.

I think that is all up for discussion until the film actually premieres.

[Myrddin]

Now on the CBn main page...

Full English teaser available NOW

_CONFIRMED

Wow, wow, wow!!!

[Publius]

The movie looks too much like Goldeneye especially the flashy action sequences.Afterall lets not forget that the director is the same.

So much for all the noise made about the bigger action sequences of the Broznan era.It is all a sham.

This movie will be more like Goldeneye.

Pray that the next ne is not TND.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if CR, Bond 22, or beyond are somewhat like GE and/or TND. Both those movies were great, and their weaknesses easily fixed: GE by dropping the self-awareness and excessive focus on characters other than Bond, and TND by sporting a meatier plot. If CR avoids either pitfall, it should be fantastic.

[JimmyBond]

The movie looks too much like Goldeneye especially the flashy action sequences.Afterall lets not forget that the director is the same.

Next thing you'll tell me is that all Bond films look like Goldeneye. What, with there flashy action sequences

So much for all the noise made about the bigger action sequences of the Broznan era.It is all a sham.[/quote

They show clips of one action sequence in a 30 second clip and you're calling it a sham. Whatever happend to waiting till the movie came out?

[Farooq]

Nice Stuff!!
I do agree with you.

[# 11]

What the

This means, this IS the Title theme? Well, I don't know Wilss, but Fry worked with David Arnold on Shaken And Stirred.

Strange...

Edited by # 11, 23 June 2006 - 10:33 PM.

[ke02eww]

What the

This means, this IS the Title theme? Well, I don't know Wilss, but Fry worked with David Arnold on Shaken And Stirred.

Strange...

if he did, then he wasn't creditted...

http://www.artistdir...,921298,00.html

However we think we have the answer....

http://debrief.comma...p...st&p=568775

so relax, break open another pack of earl grey and await more intel...

or go along tonight to the goldfrapp gig in London, and see the probable CR-theme-band ....

[# 11]

Yes, I thougt it was Martin Fry. Sorry, missunderstanding of mine.