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[killkenny kid]

oh, and remember that would-be arousing montage of clips from BASIC INSTINCT 2 that surfaced a while back, but not in a standard trailer form? That film's a Sony effort, too, isn't it?

very true, and yes it was Sony. But, I think they will have better luck with Casino Royale, than BI2.

[dinovelvet]

Re: the theory of an incomplete (albeit 95% complete) teaser for a teaser (as it were) being leaked by The Powers That Be to test fan reactions, I'm reminded of the ROCKY BALBOA teaser that appeared a couple of months ago (and as far as I know has vanished, with still no word of an "official" teaser release). Like the CR one, it looked virtually done, yet ever so slightly rough around the edges, with no studio logo, and bizarrely unfinished-looking credits.

ROCKY BALBOA is also a Sony film.

Oh, and remember that would-be arousing montage of clips from BASIC INSTINCT 2 that surfaced a while back, but not in a standard trailer form? That film's a Sony effort, too, isn't it?

Oh yeah good call, Loomis. Could be that Sony are doing some underground marketing here to get net buzz going. Its certainly worked in this case, and the Rocky trailer was quite well received too. Basic Instinct was too little, too late though
Perhaps there are several different versions/cuts of this teaser, some with slightly different shots or fewer or more scenes etc. For a high profile flick like this, they're going to obsess over every single frame in the teaser, so maybe we just got one cut of it thats missing a couple of things.

[Tiin007]

Hopefully the one we've seen is missing shots rather than has too many.

Edited by Tiin007, 02 May 2006 - 01:28 AM.

[Qwerty]

Be interesting to see what the changes will be. I'm thrilled with the trailer as it is now, so there can only be more to look forward to.

[Gobi-1]

I had been wondering if it was possible the French trailer was one made for the foreign market with the US and UK to have another. Looks like it could be true. Hopefully all trailers foreign and domestic will be on the official website. I know the Japanese M:I-3 teaser is on it's website so let's keep out fingers crossed.

[killkenny kid]

Well, under "What took so long?." Josh Tyler over at Cinemablend, didn't care for the trailer. I guess some folks still don't get it.

[I Like Sharks]

If it's not the official trailer then I'm even more exicted because the trailer to be released this month will have extra footage. There is some stuff we've seen before that didn't make it into the teaser, and definatly material we hav'nt seen yet so am i right in thinking were going to get 2 trailers in a month?

[dinovelvet]

Does anyone have the FULL trailer...this doesn't 'end' properly..so we can't judge the fullmood...is that DC shot the last shot.??..usually they have a credit page....I was wondering if they will alter the music at the endof the trailer to give it more 'mood'...that last shot of DC is mean and moody but it can'tbe the last thing the FRENCH viewers saw...

Cletus

Cletus! How's it going,man? Robbed any Armenian money trains lately? Or are you too busy trying to cover up Lem's murder?
Anyway, nope, the trailer got cut off at the end and we don't know what he says. We'll get the full English language version when the Da Vinci Code comes out on May 19, it'll probably hit the net a few days beforehand.

[Skudor]

I was just thinking this morning that it would be very cool if this teaser was not the final product = possibly more goodies on the way.

Perhaps the, according to many, and I'm close to being converted, too cheesy final shot won't make it (following the internet feedback). I guess it would be a better teaser without it.

[MarcAngeDraco]

Be interesting to see what the changes will be. I'm thrilled with the trailer as it is now, so there can only be more to look forward to.

Absolutely!

[cletus van damme]

Cletus! How's it going,man? Robbed any Armenian money trains lately? Or are you too busy trying to cover up Lem's murder?



Thanks you Mr Dinovelvet for reminding me but covering up my bald spot is proving more problemactic.....

Hopefully whatever DC says it is suitably gritty and please oh please don'tmake it to the camera...

Why is no one speculating on what he says...??
Will it be ..." I told you I'd be back..hahahah evil laugh" type pay off line...

Or
" I ve been expecting you" delivered in a hushed scottish brogue..or maybe ..."this didn't happen to the other fella"

Anyroad, we cannae judge the trailer until the final line is revealed cos it might well be a bit dodgy...governor of california type pay off line....and would never do,

Cletus

[cletus van damme]

Cletus! How's it going,man? Robbed any Armenian money trains lately? Or are you too busy trying to cover up Lem's murder?



Thanks you Mr Dinovelvet for reminding me but covering up my bald spot is proving more problemactic.....

Hopefully whatever DC says it is suitably gritty and please oh please don'tmake it to the camera...

Why is no one speculating on what he says...??
Will it be ..." I told you I'd be back..hahahah evil laugh" type pay off line...

Or
" I ve been expecting you" delivered in a hushed scottish brogue..or maybe ..."this didn't happen to the other fella"

Anyroad, we cannae judge the trailer until the final line is revealed cos it might well be a bit dodgy...governor of california type pay off line....and would never do,

Cletus

Excuse the above I have just found the other thread....I am in idiot...I work hard you know

Cletus

[Seannery]

Finally got around to seeing this trailer(official or not) and I think it was good but not earth shattering like some have proclaimed. I find it about an average Bond trailer which is ALWAYS GOOD but it certainly isn't the best ever.

It was mainly action and fast cuts--I already knew Craig could do the action. I still need to see him pull off the lighter aspects and the suave. He still didn't LOOK particularly Bondian in the traditional cinematic sense. The black and white part was especially stylish--the color was solid but not special.

It was nice to see a Bond trailer again--that was exciting but this still leaves me with some questions about Craig fully embodying Bond and if the general audience will fully embrace him. The full movie in November will show me if he fully captures Bond or not despite his untraditional Bond look.

[Loomis]

Finally got around to seeing this trailer(official or not) and I think it was good but not earth shattering like some have proclaimed. I find it about an average Bond trailer which is ALWAYS GOOD but it certainly isn't the best ever.

It was mainly action and fast cuts--I already knew Craig could do the action. I still need to see him pull off the lighter aspects and the suave. He still didn't LOOK particularly Bondian in the traditional cinematic sense. The black and white part was especially stylish--the color was solid but not special.

It was nice to see a Bond trailer again--that was exciting but this still leaves me with some questions about Craig fully embodying Bond and if the general audience will fully embrace him. The full movie in November will show me if he fully captures Bond or not despite his untraditional Bond look.

I'm not letting you off the hook that easily, Seannery. It isn't too early to pass judgement on Craig as Bond, since we now have footage of his performance. I'd rate him as follows:

ACTION ABILITY: 10 out of 10 - makes Lazenby look like Moore in A VIEW TO A KILL

COOLNESS: 10 out of 10

LOOKS: 4 out of 10 (would be 8 if they'd dyed his hair)

MENACE: 11 out of 10

I still maintain he'll be a hard sell as Bond because of his fizzog, but, apart from that, things are shaping up nicely. Would you agree?

[Seannery]

Finally got around to seeing this trailer(official or not) and I think it was good but not earth shattering like some have proclaimed. I find it about an average Bond trailer which is ALWAYS GOOD but it certainly isn't the best ever.

It was mainly action and fast cuts--I already knew Craig could do the action. I still need to see him pull off the lighter aspects and the suave. He still didn't LOOK particularly Bondian in the traditional cinematic sense. The black and white part was especially stylish--the color was solid but not special.

It was nice to see a Bond trailer again--that was exciting but this still leaves me with some questions about Craig fully embodying Bond and if the general audience will fully embrace him. The full movie in November will show me if he fully captures Bond or not despite his untraditional Bond look.

I'm not letting you off the hook that easily, Seannery. It isn't too early to pass judgement on Craig as Bond, since we now have footage of his performance. I'd rate him as follows:

ACTION ABILITY: 10 out of 10 - makes Lazenby look like Moore in A VIEW TO A KILL

COOLNESS: 10 out of 10

LOOKS: 4 out of 10 (would be 8 if they'd dyed his hair)

MENACE: 11 out of 10

I still maintain he'll be a hard sell as Bond because of his fizzog, but, apart from that, things are shaping up nicely. Would you agree?

Well Loomis we still haven't seen Craig do much non-action stuff yet. But to give you a guess on VERY incomplete info--I don't think he will be better than Connery, Moore and Brosnan. I could see him bettering Lazenby easily and maybe Dalton. Now when I see him fully act Bond maybe he'll suprise me. I agree he will be a hard sell though I don't think it will be a disaster as Dlib worries about. As to how things are shaping up--i'm honestly torn on that question.

[Harmsway]

I'd rate him as follows:

ACTION ABILITY: 10 out of 10 - makes Lazenby look like Moore in A VIEW TO A KILL

COOLNESS: 10 out of 10

LOOKS: 4 out of 10 (would be 8 if they'd dyed his hair)

MENACE: 11 out of 10

I still maintain he'll be a hard sell as Bond because of his fizzog, but, apart from that, things are shaping up nicely. Would you agree?

I'd say that's a pretty good assessment there.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I saw something in that trailor I hadn't seen in years and that was TWO really hot women...it was very sexy.But....Craig is gonna be a hard sell as Bond-like Dalton. I think only the hardcore geeks like us will warm to him.

Coolness: 9 out of 10(no ciggarette smoke at the table, no Martini?)

Action ability: 10 out of 10: He throws a punch, he means it.He's in great shape.

Looks:8 out of 10: He is very fit and looks interesting but he doesn't scream I am James Bond! But the good news is his blonde hair is not too distracting...

Menace: 10 out of 10. He is convincingly dangerous.

Anyway, I'm fired up. Pierce who?

[Loomis]

Craig is gonna be a hard sell as Bond-like Dalton.

Mind you, he's got a few things going for him that Dalton didn't have:

- A monumental amount of This Is Hip Right Now coolness, thanks largely to LAYER CAKE. What fashionable film had Dalton starred in just prior to Bond? He looked like he'd stepped right out of the 1950s, at best, a stiff-*ssed Brit in a tuxedo on his way to afternoon tea at the Savoy. I mean, I like Dalton well enough, but, in 1987, he must have seemed a throwback to a bygone age. By contrast, Craig comes across very much as The Happening Young Guy Of 2006. If people like Bourne and Bauer, they ought to like Craig's Bond, whereas you basically had to be a Bond fan in order to dig Dalton, if I'm making any sense.

- Fearsome action ability. Again, Dalton always struck me as angry and upset rather than menacing and dangerous. Craig turns the clock back to early Connery and Lazenby - we haven't seen this sort of thing since 1969.

- Great buzz for his acting talent. Did Americans in '87 really care about Dalton's reputation in British theatre? After LAYER CAKE and MUNICH, audiences will be aware that Craig, whatever his flaws, isn't exactly a lightweight (to quote John Goodman in THE BIG LEBOWSKI).

But, yeah, he'll still be a tough sell, on looks alone.

[Seannery]

Craig is gonna be a hard sell as Bond-like Dalton.

Mind you, he's got a few things going for him that Dalton didn't have:

- A monumental amount of This Is Hip Right Now coolness, thanks largely to LAYER CAKE. What fashionable film had Dalton starred in just prior to Bond? He looked like he'd stepped right out of the 1950s, at best, a stiff-*ssed Brit in a tuxedo. I mean, I like Dalton well enough, but, in 1987, he must have seemed a throwback to a bygone age. By contrast, Craig comes across very much as The Happening Young Guy Of 2006. If people like Bourne and Bauer, they ought to like Craig's Bond, whereas you basically had to be a Bond fan in order to dig Dalton, if I'm making any sense.

- Fearsome action ability. Again, Dalton always struck me as angry and upset rather than menacing and dangerous. Craig turns the clock back to early Connery and Lazenby - we haven't seen this sort of thing since 1969.

- Great buzz for his acting talent. Did Americans in '87 really care about Dalton's reputation in British theatre? After LAYER CAKE and MUNICH, audiences will be aware that Craig, whatever his flaws, isn't exactly a lightweight (to quote John Goodman in THE BIG LEBOWSKI).

But, yeah, he'll still be a tough sell, on looks alone.

We agree on the looks thing but to go over an old argument--I think you overstate the impact of his film career to the general audience. Maybe though he will tackle Bond more precisely than Dalton but Dalton holds the edge in Bond looks.

[Harmsway]

Craig is gonna be a hard sell as Bond-like Dalton.

Mind you, he's got a few things going for him that Dalton didn't have:

- A monumental amount of This Is Hip Right Now coolness, thanks largely to LAYER CAKE. What fashionable film had Dalton starred in just prior to Bond? He looked like he'd stepped right out of the 1950s, at best, a stiff-*ssed Brit in a tuxedo. I mean, I like Dalton well enough, but, in 1987, he must have seemed a throwback to a bygone age. By contrast, Craig comes across very much as The Happening Young Guy Of 2006. If people like Bourne and Bauer, they ought to like Craig's Bond, whereas you basically had to be a Bond fan in order to dig Dalton, if I'm making any sense.

To play devil's advocate, the public at large in the USA won't give a rip about this - they don't know about LAYER CAKE. There's no "Happening Young Guy of 2006" vibe for Craig over here.

- Fearsome action ability. Again, Dalton always struck me as angry and upset rather than menacing and dangerous. Craig turns the clock back to early Connery and Lazenby - we haven't seen this sort of thing since 1969.

I think that's the biggest thing Craig has going for him.

- Great buzz for his acting talent. Did Americans in '87 really care about Dalton's reputation in British theatre? After LAYER CAKE and MUNICH, audiences will be aware that Craig, whatever his flaws, isn't exactly a lightweight (to quote John Goodman in THE BIG LEBOWSKI).

True, but this is still only known by the film geek section of society. It'll help him out in critic's circles, though.

Anyway, I'm fired up. Pierce who?

Precisely how I felt after watching the trailer... Brosnan is but a distant memory.

[Seannery]

Craig is gonna be a hard sell as Bond-like Dalton.

Mind you, he's got a few things going for him that Dalton didn't have:

- A monumental amount of This Is Hip Right Now coolness, thanks largely to LAYER CAKE. What fashionable film had Dalton starred in just prior to Bond? He looked like he'd stepped right out of the 1950s, at best, a stiff-*ssed Brit in a tuxedo. I mean, I like Dalton well enough, but, in 1987, he must have seemed a throwback to a bygone age. By contrast, Craig comes across very much as The Happening Young Guy Of 2006. If people like Bourne and Bauer, they ought to like Craig's Bond, whereas you basically had to be a Bond fan in order to dig Dalton, if I'm making any sense.

To play devil's advocate, the public at large in the USA won't give a rip about this - they don't know about LAYER CAKE. There's no "Happening Young Guy of 2006" vibe for Craig over here.

- Fearsome action ability. Again, Dalton always struck me as angry and upset rather than menacing and dangerous. Craig turns the clock back to early Connery and Lazenby - we haven't seen this sort of thing since 1969.

I think that's the biggest thing Craig has going for him.

- Great buzz for his acting talent. Did Americans in '87 really care about Dalton's reputation in British theatre? After LAYER CAKE and MUNICH, audiences will be aware that Craig, whatever his flaws, isn't exactly a lightweight (to quote John Goodman in THE BIG LEBOWSKI).

True, but this is still only known by the film geek section of society. It'll help him out in critic's circles, though.

Anyway, I'm fired up. Pierce who?

Precisely how I felt after watching the trailer... Brosnan is but a distant memory.

Harmsway we've said basically the same things...except for the Pierce who? It may be more Pierce as the looming shadow.

[MarcAngeDraco]

I saw something in that trailor I hadn't seen in years and that was TWO really hot women...it was very sexy.But....Craig is gonna be a hard sell as Bond-like Dalton. I think only the hardcore geeks like us will warm to him.

Coolness: 9 out of 10(no ciggarette smoke at the table, no Martini?)

Action ability: 10 out of 10: He throws a punch, he means it.He's in great shape.

Looks:8 out of 10: He is very fit and looks interesting but he doesn't scream I am James Bond! But the good news is his blonde hair is not too distracting...

Menace: 10 out of 10. He is convincingly dangerous.

Anyway, I'm fired up. Pierce who?

Count me as one of the hardcore geeks who has warmed to Craig as Bond!...

[Seannery]

Just had a thought about the trailer and the film--Do you think they went black and white for the intro to Craig and the film to semi-cover his looks while they do the crucial intro scenes?

He does look better ,at least somewhat, in black and white while Craig's unconventional Bondian looks aren't quite as jarring. Just a thought that popped into my mind.

[Loomis]

Just had a thought about the trailer and the film--Do you think they went black and white for the intro to Craig and the film to semi-cover his looks while they do the crucial intro scenes?

Maybe. I like the shot where they cut away from the lift doors opening, just before his face is revealed fully. Wouldn't be surprised if it's in the film.

(I am kind of surprised that the B&W bits are shown in the trailer, though - I'd have thought they'd have been saved for audiences sitting down to the finished film; then again, they do help sell CASINO ROYALE as "not just another Bond flick".)

[EyesOnly]

I seriously think he looks alot like Sean Connery. He's not an ugly chap! I mean do people really think he is ugly?

Edited by EyesOnly, 02 May 2006 - 03:38 PM.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Craig is gonna be a hard sell as Bond-like Dalton.

Mind you, he's got a few things going for him that Dalton didn't have:

- A monumental amount of This Is Hip Right Now coolness, thanks largely to LAYER CAKE. What fashionable film had Dalton starred in just prior to Bond? He looked like he'd stepped right out of the 1950s, at best, a stiff-*ssed Brit in a tuxedo on his way to afternoon tea at the Savoy. I mean, I like Dalton well enough, but, in 1987, he must have seemed a throwback to a bygone age. By contrast, Craig comes across very much as The Happening Young Guy Of 2006. If people like Bourne and Bauer, they ought to like Craig's Bond, whereas you basically had to be a Bond fan in order to dig Dalton, if I'm making any sense.

- Fearsome action ability. Again, Dalton always struck me as angry and upset rather than menacing and dangerous. Craig turns the clock back to early Connery and Lazenby - we haven't seen this sort of thing since 1969.

- Great buzz for his acting talent. Did Americans in '87 really care about Dalton's reputation in British theatre? After LAYER CAKE and MUNICH, audiences will be aware that Craig, whatever his flaws, isn't exactly a lightweight (to quote John Goodman in THE BIG LEBOWSKI).

But, yeah, he'll still be a tough sell, on looks alone.

yes, you make sense...I think Craig is gonna be a hit. If not, I don't care...I'm used to rooting for the underdog 007!

[Harmsway]

Harmsway we've said basically the same things...except for the Pierce who? It may be more Pierce as the looming shadow.

Some of us have more desire to forget Pierce than others, as you well know.

But in honesty, though, the minute I saw Crag in action in the teaser, I was already accepting him as James Bond. It might not be quite as easy for others, but it was all there for me. I saw him and suddenly Bond had returned.

Just had a thought about the trailer and the film--Do you think they went black and white for the intro to Craig and the film to semi-cover his looks while they do the crucial intro scenes?

He does look better ,at least somewhat, in black and white while Craig's unconventional Bondian looks aren't quite as jarring. Just a thought that popped into my mind.

It's definitely a possibility, though it's more likely a stylistic choice with a nice side-effect.

For what it's worth, I think the black-and-white introduction will work beautifully. That bathroom fight looks wonderfully brutal.

Maybe. I like the shot where they cut away from the lift doors opening, just before his face is revealed fully. Wouldn't be surprised if it's in the film.

Phil Meheux's earning his paycheck, I think.

I seriously think he looks alot like Sean Connery. He's not an ugly chap! I mean do people really think he is ugly?

Some people do. I don't. I've said it before and I'll say it again, aside from Connery, he's the Bond I'd personally choose to look like. He's got such an intense masculinity that I really, really like.

yes, you make sense...I think Craig is gonna be a hit. If not, I don't care...I'm used to rooting for the underdog 007!

Precisely!

[Santa]

He's got such an intense masculinity that I really, really like.

Yes he does, and it's very, very attractive.

[JimmyBond]

I really think Craig grabs you with the first shot of him in the bulldozer, in that one sequence (yes I know it cuts quickly so have to watch it over and over again) Craig seems in command of the scene, in fact he has that feel in all of his scenes, he's in control and knows what he's doing.

[dinovelvet]

(I am kind of surprised that the B&W bits are shown in the trailer, though - I'd have thought they'd have been saved for audiences sitting down to the finished film; then again, they do help sell CASINO ROYALE as "not just another Bond flick".)

Yeah I think the B&W stuff works wonderfully in setting up the trailer. General audiences aren't going to know what this trailer is when it starts playing : black and white, moody Euro-looking locales, serious voiceovers, some violence, and then...Judi Dench is seen...hang on, isn't she in those Bond films...waitaminute, did he just say "Double O"...? And then BAM, the gunbarrel hits and the trailer bursts into action.