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[Seannery]

I have a question, Seannery, purely out of my own curiosity - do you care for the Fleming novels? (And contrary to common "Bond fan" thought, I don't find it heretical if you don't!)

Yes I like the books but prefer the films. I don't think Fleming a great one but he is IMO good solid genre writer. I enjoy a number of other writers before Fleming but Bond films are close to the top for me in expectation. So yes I like Fleming but I don't go gaga over his writing.

Gotcha. Different strokes for different folks. Unlike you, who cited your favorite Bond film as GOLDFINGER, I have no "ultimate" Bond interpretation. I love both Fleming and Roger Moore's MOONRAKER deeply. I can appreciate the fun, over-the-top cartoon Bond as well as the gritty, human Bond, and feel no need to choose between the two (though forced to choose, I'd probably take Fleming over any other interpretation).

I'm excited that we're getting a very human Bond here with a grittier coating. I think it's cool, and exploring Bond's origins will turn out interesting, even if unsuccessful. If anybody can make it work, Daniel Craig can, and that gives me a lot of hope for this entry.

Well I too like various types of Bond--I loved Octupussy as well as FRWL for example. I like Craig as an actor--i'm just not sure of the creative approach taken for this film. Hopefully it won't be heavyhanded with it's seriousness and they pull it off.

[Harmsway]

[quote name='Seannery' date='22 January 2006 - 17:00']Well I too like various types of Bond--I loved Octupussy as well as FRWL for example.

[Seannery]

[quote name='Harmsway' date='23 January 2006 - 00:04'][quote name='Seannery' date='22 January 2006 - 17:00']Well I too like various types of Bond--I loved Octupussy as well as FRWL for example.

[Harmsway]

Absolutely we agree.  I liked the Brosnan films more than you but yes they had some heavyhandedness--I thought Pierce's natural charm and lightness helped get past that for the most part.  We probably disagree on that.  Can Craig do that also?  Maybe, that remains to be seen.  Will CR be even more heavyhanded or not?  Again remains to be seen.  Hopefully they pull this off with panache--to go the route they seem to be taking isn't easy.  To make a new path is tricky.

Brosnan's best performance was in DAD when he approached the dramatic scenes without the heavy-handedness he had in the previous entries. The scenes were still written a tad pretentiously, but Pierce made 'em work okay.

I think that Craig likely won't fall into the trap of overacting, but he won't be able to help it if the script is poor (which by all accounts, it doesn't seem like it will be, IMO). Craig, IMO, is a far more charismatic actor than Brosnan, so I think he can pull it off just fine.

I'm curious as to where CASINO ROYALE will end up. I have high hopes, and I'm excited about all the news. At the least, I'm just hoping we get a better Bond film than we got in the Brosnan era, which I think is doable. I think by all accounts, CASINO ROYALE can beat any of Brosnan's films - and they'd have to screw it up pretty big for it not to do that.

[Seannery]

[quote name='Harmsway' date='23 January 2006 - 00:24'][quote name='Seannery' date='22 January 2006 - 17:15']Absolutely we agree.

[Leon]

I'm afraid I agree with Harmsway there, I also believe Daniel Craig is a more genuinely charismatic and interesting actor than Brosnan. I also belive very strongly that he has far more range and talent in acting subtle emotional turmoil (and not so subtle too!).

Brosnan was alright but I never loved him, I found him a bit boring after TND, and I feel Goldeneye was his best Bond.

Daniel Craig will bring a really interesting blend of both supremely deep and believable darker emotional/brooding qualities and a leaner meaner physical side. He will look alright with his shirt off too.

[zencat]

I'm afraid I agree with Harmsway there, I also believe Daniel Craig is a more genuinely charismatic and interesting actor than Brosnan. I also belive very strongly that he has far more range and talent in acting subtle emotional turmoil (and not so subtle too!).

Brosnan was alright but I never loved him, I found him a bit boring after TND, and I feel Goldeneye was his best Bond.

Daniel Craig will bring a really interesting blend of both supremely deep and believable darker emotional/brooding qualities and a leaner meaner physical side. He will look alright with his shirt off too.

Even though I liked Brosnan as Bond, I do agree with you on your points about Craig. Well said. I'm really looking forward to his 007. I just hope Campbell lets him do his own thing.

[Seannery]

I don't consider it a Craig v. Brosnan issue. I like both a lot as actors. My only question is if Craig is ideally cast with Bond--can he handle the lighter elements of Bond in addition to the serious. I think he possibly can since I agree he's highly talented--so i'll wait and see if he does. Seeing is believing in this case for me. I'm more leery of the whole creative direction of the film and less of Craig. Hopefully they won't go too far and too heavyhanded in their serious direction.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

A realistic spy thriller would still show secret agents acting as employees of export companies that are fronts for intelligence.

I don't see what your business is on these boardss other than to stir up trouble and seek attention.

I don't care about your insulting opinion except that I refer to you that I made an example outline of a realistic plot for Casino Royale that would be realistic. What have you done? Make it personal or stick to the subject. This can sound rude but I will say it: nobody is saying they slept with your mother so please don't insult anyone or make things personal.

My insulting opinion!? Are you forgeting about that whole "Dude how original
not".

Then I will be humble enough to apoligise and tell you that when I said that it was about the idea as used in movies and not an attack on you. I don't read the names of the authors when I make replies.

No need for you to apologise. I was rude and insulting to you and for that I am sorry and apologise. Let's just leave it be.

[Harmsway]

I don't consider it a Craig v. Brosnan issue.  I like both a lot as actors.  My only question is if Craig is ideally cast with Bond--can he handle the lighter elements of Bond in addition to the serious.  I think he possibly can since I agree he's highly talented--so i'll wait and see if he does.  Seeing is believing in this case for me.  I'm more leery of the whole creative direction of the film and less of Craig.  Hopefully they won't go too far and too heavyhanded in their serious direction.

Well, Craig can do a bit of lighter stuff. He had a few funny moments in MUNICH, and from that performance, I was easily able to picture him making a few witty remarks here and there.

[Seannery]

[quote name='Harmsway' date='23 January 2006 - 03:35'][quote name='Seannery' date='22 January 2006 - 20:31']I don't consider it a Craig v. Brosnan issue.

[Harmsway]

[quote name='Seannery' date='22 January 2006 - 20:39']Well I liked him in Munich as well(but the film wasn't so hot)--i'm willing to wait and see with him as 007.

[Seannery]

[quote name='Harmsway' date='23 January 2006 - 03:43'][quote name='Seannery' date='22 January 2006 - 20:39']Well I liked him in Munich as well(but the film wasn't so hot)--i'm willing to wait and see with him as 007.

[Jack Spang]

I have cut and pasted this from another Bond forum. If it's true then it's a bloody shame. My hopes for this film may have disappeared completely. Another mindless action fest?! I admit this news does seem suspicious for more than one reason, e.g. Craig doesn't have presence in the love scenes? What the hell did they do in auditions? Just fighting scenes?!

Wide Shot's post:

"Shooting is on schedule. But a full blown press conference is still being debated. Don't be surprised if a press conference is held some time in February in Prague, something like what happened with The Living Daylights, that time they went ahead with the start date and didn't do the press conference until a month later. I won't be involved with the production much longer, I'm moving on to Tim Burton's next film "Believe It or Not", but here are some things of interest:

- the production has a mood of nervousness. They're strongly aware of the backlash and it's caught us all by surprise. The main thing slowing things down is the indecision on the casting.
- major actresses turned down the Vesper role. This also surprised Sony/Eon. Now they're forced to get an unknown but Thandie Newton has tested. One thing that made the Bond girl casting difficult was getting the right actress to look good with Daniel Craig. Sony/Eon hasn't been impressed with how the romantic scenes looked on test footage, Craig didn't have a strong romantic presence and there was a weak chemistry between him and the actresses tested.
- The script is being revised to scale back on the romantic angle. The story will emphasize movement and action sequences to maintain a quick pace to keep the audience from being not so conscious that a new actor is playing Bond.
- Disagreements over the script between Daniel Craig and Martin Campbell. They had a bit of a slanging match over the card game scene but I don't know whether it's because of tiredness from an intense casting and pre-production schedule or just from the overall nervousness or both."

Edited by Jack Spang, 26 January 2006 - 07:08 AM.

[K1Bond007]

I have cut and pasted this from another Bond forum.  If it's true then it's a bloody shame.  My hopes for this film may have disappeared completely.  Another mindless action fest?!  I admit this news does seem suspicious for more than one reason, e.g. Craig doesn't have presence in the love scenes?  What the hell did they do in auditions?  Just fighting scenes?!

They always do the FRWL scene as a screentest. I highly doubt this is true. Layer Cake also proves that wrong. It might have been just chemistry or something.

Thats if this is true. I'm leaning toward that it isn't.

[Publius]

- The script is being revised to scale back on the romantic angle. The story will emphasize movement and action sequences to maintain a quick pace to keep the audience from being not so conscious that a new actor is playing Bond.

Focus attention AWAY from the new Bond? I doubt EON would knowingly repeat the same mistake they made with Lazenby.

[SecretAgentFan]

I have cut and pasted this from another Bond forum.  If it's true then it's a bloody shame.  My hopes for this film may have disappeared completely.  Another mindless action fest?!  I admit this news does seem suspicious for more than one reason, e.g. Craig doesn't have presence in the love scenes?  What the hell did they do in auditions?  Just fighting scenes?!

Wide Shot's post:

"Shooting is on schedule. But a full blown press conference is still being debated. Don't be surprised if a press conference is held some time in February in Prague, something like what happened with The Living Daylights, that time they went ahead with the start date and didn't do the press conference until a month later. I won't be involved with the production much longer, I'm moving on to Tim Burton's next film "Believe It or Not", but here are some things of interest:

- the production has a mood of nervousness. They're strongly aware of the backlash and it's caught us all by surprise. The main thing slowing things down is the indecision on the casting.
- major actresses turned down the Vesper role. This also surprised Sony/Eon. Now they're forced to get an unknown but Thandie Newton has tested. One thing that made the Bond girl casting difficult was getting the right actress to look good with Daniel Craig. Sony/Eon hasn't been impressed with how the romantic scenes looked on test footage, Craig didn't have a strong romantic presence and there was a weak chemistry between him and the actresses tested.
- The script is being revised to scale back on the romantic angle. The story will emphasize movement and action sequences to maintain a quick pace to keep the audience from being not so conscious that a new actor is playing Bond.
- Disagreements over the script between Daniel Craig and Martin Campbell. They had a bit of a slanging match over the card game scene but I don't know whether it's because of tiredness from an intense casting and pre-production schedule or just from the overall nervousness or both."

It reads as if it were accurate. However, I don

[Tinfinger]

This does not bode well, if true.

[Double-Oh Agent]

[quote name='SecretAgentFan' date='26 January 2006 - 00:28'][quote name='Jack Spang' date='26 January 2006 - 07:07']I have cut and pasted this from another Bond forum.

Edited by Double-Oh Agent, 26 January 2006 - 10:02 AM.

[zencat]

Nonsence. This is a Craig basher playing games.

[Pussfeller]

Zen beat me to it, but this is soooo BS...

" ...The production has a mood of nervousness. They're strongly aware of the backlash and it's caught us all by surprise."

Yeah right. Tell us about the mood in "Eon's hallowed halls"...

"The story will emphasize movement and action sequences to maintain a quick pace to keep the audience from being not so conscious that a new actor is playing Bond."

We've seen through better artists than this. I'm surprised by how many CBners are falling for this.

Flummery with a capital F.

[Harmsway]

Sounds quite suspect, IMO, though I'm not entirely willing to write it off.

[Tinfinger]

None of this surprises me. If it's fake, it's a good fake.

[Niwram]

"Shooting is on schedule. But a full blown press conference is still being debated. Don't be surprised if a press conference is held some time in February in Prague, something like what happened with The Living Daylights, that time they went ahead with the start date and didn't do the press conference until a month later. I won't be involved with the production much longer, I'm moving on to Tim Burton's next film "Believe It or Not", but here are some things of interest:
- the production has a mood of nervousness. They're strongly aware of the backlash and it's caught us all by surprise. The main thing slowing things down is the indecision on the casting.
- major actresses turned down the Vesper role. This also surprised Sony/Eon. Now they're forced to get an unknown but Thandie Newton has tested. One thing that made the Bond girl casting difficult was getting the right actress to look good with Daniel Craig. Sony/Eon hasn't been impressed with how the romantic scenes looked on test footage, Craig didn't have a strong romantic presence and there was a weak chemistry between him and the actresses tested.
- The script is being revised to scale back on the romantic angle. The story will emphasize movement and action sequences to maintain a quick pace to keep the audience from being not so conscious that a new actor is playing Bond.
- Disagreements over the script between Daniel Craig and Martin Campbell. They had a bit of a slanging match over the card game scene but I don't know whether it's because of tiredness from an intense casting and pre-production schedule or just from the overall nervousness or both."

On the other website they are heavily hinting that this is true.(I know I wrote something wrong in that sentence, my english sucks)
Please don't tell me that they're cutting out all that sounded so cool about this film and just making it the same as before.
If they do that, I will boycott this movie!

Edited by Niwram, 28 January 2006 - 05:09 PM.

[Jack Spang]

Yes, on the forum I took it from, many are taking it quite seriously including the chief editor (or atleast this is what it sounds like). I don't know what to believe. If it's true it will be a catastrophe. I do not like the Brosnan movies for all their non stop action and if Casino Royale is another one of these, then I think I will have finally given up on these movies. I always suspected they might get cold feet. The original scripts always sound good then something happens along the way and they are turned into just plain action films. Even the Lethal Weapon and Die Hard films have more character and plot development than the Brosnan Bond movies.

Atleast we will have another adult Bond book. Sounds like Fleming Publications have atleast come to their senses - trying to give us literature in the vein of Fleming's character instead of Benson's work which read like movie scripts. For a while they tried to make our protagonist more like the cinematic Bond. At last it seems like they have seen the light.

Edited by Jack Spang, 28 January 2006 - 09:04 PM.

[Niwram]

This is what "James Page" wrote:

[ibox]cobi-7 wrote:

**AH CHUUUUUUU**

Oh excuse me, Im allergic to Bull S***[/ibox]


Well, you're sneezing in the wrong thread buddy.

Please tell me this isn't true!

If it's true, we should all send angry mails to Sony.

Edited by Niwram, 29 January 2006 - 12:17 PM.

[Seannery]

I have cut and pasted this from another Bond forum.  If it's true then it's a bloody shame.  My hopes for this film may have disappeared completely.  Another mindless action fest?!  I admit this news does seem suspicious for more than one reason, e.g. Craig doesn't have presence in the love scenes?  What the hell did they do in auditions?  Just fighting scenes?!

Wide Shot's post:

"Shooting is on schedule. But a full blown press conference is still being debated. Don't be surprised if a press conference is held some time in February in Prague, something like what happened with The Living Daylights, that time they went ahead with the start date and didn't do the press conference until a month later. I won't be involved with the production much longer, I'm moving on to Tim Burton's next film "Believe It or Not", but here are some things of interest:

- the production has a mood of nervousness. They're strongly aware of the backlash and it's caught us all by surprise. The main thing slowing things down is the indecision on the casting.
- major actresses turned down the Vesper role. This also surprised Sony/Eon. Now they're forced to get an unknown but Thandie Newton has tested. One thing that made the Bond girl casting difficult was getting the right actress to look good with Daniel Craig. Sony/Eon hasn't been impressed with how the romantic scenes looked on test footage, Craig didn't have a strong romantic presence and there was a weak chemistry between him and the actresses tested.
- The script is being revised to scale back on the romantic angle. The story will emphasize movement and action sequences to maintain a quick pace to keep the audience from being not so conscious that a new actor is playing Bond.
- Disagreements over the script between Daniel Craig and Martin Campbell. They had a bit of a slanging match over the card game scene but I don't know whether it's because of tiredness from an intense casting and pre-production schedule or just from the overall nervousness or both."

Yes as few others have mentioned one of the bigwigs at Mi6 has hinted that this post may very well be true. Hmmmmmmmmm..........don't know what to think about that. It could still be bogus but there are now hints it may have truths. At first I just dismissed it but now i'm not as sure.

[Niwram]

I don't know what the hell EON are thinking. Do they really think an action film with toned down romance will be more successfull than the original cool script we heard about. At least the "romantic" script had something special about it.
People are getting sick of the same thing over and over again.


Can any of the mods please calm me down by telling me that this is fake?

Please???????

Edited by Niwram, 30 January 2006 - 12:35 PM.

[Tinfinger]

Either this is true, or EON are sitting back in their cushy offices and having a good laugh at our expense

[Qwerty]

If it's true, we should all send angry mails to Sony.

That would probably only be a waste of your time.