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[Andrew]

When they said it was to be similar to From Russia With Love, they were talking in tone not faithfullness of the book I believe.

You Only Live Twice and The Spy Who Loved Me don't represent their novels at all but are still considered among the best(if not the best) in the series. Why should Casino Royale be any different?

Sure I would've loved to have seen a faithful adaption of the novel(I think the perfect time was with Dalton in 1989, although they didn't have the rights) but I've come to terms with the fact that these faithful adaptions have been non-existant since 1969.

[spynovelfan]

I don't recall seeing a single one of them in Ian Fleming's Casino Royale, but now we have EON talking out of both sides of their mouth. 

I don't recall seeing anywhere in this article that it's a press release from EON. The site has gathered the information from sources - those sources could be wrong. It's interesting to read, but it's not necessarily what will happen.

[Loomis]

[quote name='tdalton' date='11 January 2006 - 16:36'][quote name='Loomis' date='11 January 2006 - 11:27'][quote name='tdalton' date='11 January 2006 - 16:11']NOTE TO SONY:

[zencat]

Wow, wow, wow. Nice scoop/exclusive Stax. Thanks for sharing with us so quickly.

Le Chiffre late 20s to mid 30s? NO, NO, NO!!! A main Bond villain MUST be older than Bond, not younger. This is the mistake they made over and over again in the Brosnan era and it looks like it's business as usual. Grrrr.

Solari is a commander in the Sudanese rebel army... Does this mean the movie is maybe still set in South Africa? Probably not, but I can hope.

Solonge as Bond Girl #2 (the bad Bond Girl) perhaps?

Or maybe Girl 2 is Le Chiffre's girlfriend. (What ever happened to the sexual ambiguous Bond villains who "loves only gold"?) Pop star, eh? Maybe the Jessica Simpson rumors weren't a joke. *shudder*

Also, in regards to the terrorist network, we never said it would be a "middle eastern" terrorist network. In fact, we said the filmmakers were going out of their way to not dissociate it from any specific country (and, I expect, region). So it doesn't seem unusual for our villains to all sound European.

Again, great scoop, Stax!

[triviachamp]

There better not be another Bond Girl for him to sleep with at the end. That would be so formulaic. And unfaithful. Yawn...

Edited by triviachamp, 11 January 2006 - 05:21 PM.

[marktmurphy]

Pleasingly I've heard from a person elsewhere who is working on the film. He's read the script and liked it, even though he's not a Bond fan. No details can be forthcoming of course and I can't back it up (so I'd understand if you don't believe me!), but I thought you'd like to know.

[marktmurphy]

Oh; he does say that Craig's dark looks suit the script (he looks like he's hiding a secret or two!) and confirms that Bond has just become a '00' when it opens. Not exactly earth-shatting news, but there we go!

[Jim]

earth-shatting...

...fnarr.

[Judo chop]

earth-shatting...

...fnarr.

there you have it, folks. From the bowels of the big-bang itself comes forth Casino Royale.

funny stuff.

[trumanlodge89]

first of all.... this spoiler forum is really cool looking.

secondly: can we all take a collective chill pill? seriously. remember, there is only one explosion in the film; and that the villian was not named at all, meaning he's not NOT named le chiffre. also, an american CIA agent in his 30s or 40s sounds an awful lot like felix leiter, doesnt it? well at least we know joe don baker won't be back.

massus is just a change in the nationality of mathis. nothing to freak out about there. and for all we know, bond will gamble against this Demetrius in the early third, and le chiffre more toward the end.

and the villians girlfriend being a name? so what. so many of us bond fans forget that not everyone in the world can say theyve seen every film, much less have an analytic discussion about all 20 movies. if daniel craig (who, admittedly is not pierce brosnan) is james bond, and vesper is played by someone like Rachael Stirling (who before yesterday, I'd never heard of), and le chiffre is played by some guy nobody has ever heard of, then what's the big deal if someone like seal is given 15 lines? in the grand sceme of things, who cares if the villians girlfriend is played by jessica alba?


i think we all need to slow down and relax. lets start the negative reviews AFTER we've seen the film.

[Judo chop]

Just to add my 2 pesos-worth, I see a few deviations from the novel, but nothing that bothers me. I knew the first half of the film would have to be loaded up with extras. No big shock whatsoever.

Vesper. 20-30's. Gorgeous. Nothing wrong with that.
Villian X. 28-36. European. The man behind it all. Maybe he will survive this film to make some continuity into Bond 22? I like it.
Villian X's Girlfriend. Sexy and dangerous. Of course he'll have a girlfriend. I see a less-hormornal Xenia type.
CIA Agent. 30-40. C'mon. This is most likely Felix - a welcomed return.
Solari. 40-50. Sudanese rebel commander. One of those extras. Maybe not necessary, but I'll shrug my shoulders like Bond would. Not the end of the world.
Demetrius. 40-49. Sleazy. Why wouldn't this be LeChiffre?
Demetrius' spouse. So LeChiffre is married. Maybe Bond can put the moves on her to ruffle Le Chiffre's feathers a bit. A la Largo/Domino. I doubt we'll see much screen time from her.
Massus. 55-60. British agent. Mathis from the book, but with a double-agent twist? Fine with me.

What's not to like?

ps. I'm with you, trumanlodge.

Edited by Judo chop, 11 January 2006 - 06:23 PM.

[mkkbb]

Having thought about it, there were rumours that Casino Royale would have a reoccuring enemy organisation (similar to SPECTRE), so this Demetrius or villain could be the leader of that, and Le Chiffre is still indeed apart of the story.

Seeing the possible actors auditioning for the part (the two french blokes) they do seem too young, and look more like friendly allies than villains.

[blueman]

Seems to me that CR hinges on Bond's relationship with Vesper more than anything else. If they keep that, then of course they need to come up with an entirely new framework, as the old Russian/SMERSH plot is kaput. However they do that...big whoops. Villians, bad guys, henchman, supernumerary babes--whatever. They're keeping some sort of casino/gambling scene or angle in it by all (albeit vague) accounts, so they're not totally off the deep end. And Campbell's talked about the torture scene, so something like that will be in it, one would assume. If in creating the framework to hang this (and subsequent?) Bond films on, they need to (here's that dreadful word again) reinvent Le Chiffre so that he fits in this new storyline, okay. It's all in the execution anyway, we can sit here and dream up lots of great ideas, but if we can't get them on film decently then so what? They're making mighty big changes to the bad guy plot...did anyone really expect different? If they'd simply substitued some new organization for SMERSH, it would've clunked like Graves's soggy relationship with his father, IMO. Give EON credit for doing what's needed, IMHO.

CR is a love story, IMHO, however they frame that Bond/Vesper core (assuming it's a Bond movie ) is fine with me. As long as they do it well. My 2 cents.

[Royal Dalton]

Pleasingly I've heard from a person elsewhere who is working on the film.

You haven't been speaking to Gulshan Grover again, have you?

massus is just a change in the nationality of mathis. nothing to freak out about there.

True enough. But I still can't see any good reason for changing his surname. Johnny Mathis isn't French, after all.

And Leiter was still called Leiter in the TV version, even with his change in nationality.

[Harmsway]

I was hardly expecting much of a faithful adaptation, so all this news doesn't come as a shock. While it's certainly an extremely loose adaptation of CASINO ROYALE, I'm still very much looking forward to this film.

It's still shaping up better than any of the entries from the past decade.

[Mr_Wint]

A main villain in his late twenties... again? This is torture

[Doctor Shatterhand]

Am I the only one who has found a link to the name Demetrios?

Demetrios, a large Greek man with dark eyes, a swarthy face with a small gray wart beside his nose. Bond became friends with him instantly until Demetrios introduces himself as the gun runner whose been supplying the EOKA terrorist in Cyprus. Bond leaves a limpet device under Demetrios' ship, The Sapphos, which explodes 24 hours later and killing all on board. - from JAMES BOND: THE AUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY OF OO7.

I'm not saying that this is the character lifted from this novel, but I do think it is interesting to see some similarities.

Other possibilities from the same novel:

Shingushi, a Japanese cipher expert. He has a large head and dumpy body. He is the cause of hundreds of Allied sailors deaths during WWII. Bond's first attempt to shoot him leaves him cold when he discovers that his target is a father of an eight year old girl. He is the first target which earned Bond his "OO" status.

Svenson, a Norwegian double agent. Big, good-looking, ex-sailor. Working for British Intelligence, he was also passing information to the enemy. Bond is sent to "deal with him'. The second and last target which earned Bond his "OO" status.

According to the article, Bond has received his 'OO' at the beginning of the film. Will we see him taking out these men? And will the men have different names and nationalities?

And the villain's wife, Solonge, sounds very much like Liz Krest from the short story The Hildebrand Rarity.

I know this is still premature but I cannot help but see similarities from other stories and novels.

[Harmsway]

Isn't there a Bond girl named Solange in "007 in New York"?

[zencat]

[quote name='Doctor Shatterhand' date='11 January 2006 - 12:08']Am I the only one who has found a link to the name Demetrios?

Demetrios, a large Greek man with dark eyes, a swarthy face with a small gray wart beside his nose.

[Doctor Shatterhand]

Isn't there a Bond girl named Solange in "007 in New York"?

I think you're right. I cannot confirm this since I'm at work and my copy of the book is 40 miles away. Anyone else within reach of their copy of Thrilling Cities?

[Harmsway]

Isn't there a Bond girl named Solange in "007 in New York"?

I think you're right. I cannot confirm this since I'm at work and my copy of the book is 40 miles away. Anyone else within reach of their copy of Thrilling Cities?

Or the re-released OCTOPUSSY AND THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, which featured it as an addendum of sorts?

[Doctor Shatterhand]

Isn't there a Bond girl named Solange in "007 in New York"?

No it is from this short story:

"I propose to call you Donatienne, or possibly Solange, because these are names that suit my mood and the evening. We knew each other before and you lent me this money because I was in a jam. Here it is, and now we will tell each other what we have been doing since we last met in Saint-Tropez just a year ago. In the meantime, here is the menu and the wine list and you must choose what will make you happy and fat."
Bond to imaginary friend
From a View to a Kill

[Royal Dalton]

No doubt they've changed it so Bond's parting quip to her can be "So long".

[trumanlodge89]

except that according to pervis, wade and haggis, the final line is intact.

[Harmsway]

Isn't there a Bond girl named Solange in "007 in New York"?

No it is from this short story:

"I propose to call you Donatienne, or possibly Solange, because these are names that suit my mood and the evening. We knew each other before and you lent me this money because I was in a jam. Here it is, and now we will tell each other what we have been doing since we last met in Saint-Tropez just a year ago. In the meantime, here is the menu and the wine list and you must choose what will make you happy and fat."
Bond to imaginary friend
From a View to a Kill

Who was the girl he mentions in "007 in New York", about going to see the blue films with and all that jazz?

[Doctor Shatterhand]

Fleming used the name twice as far as I know. He did use the name in OO7 in New York.

007 In New York- Ian Fleming 1964

Summary-James Bond goes to New York for a simple mission. A female former member of MI6, Solange, has started living with a man who is former KGB. She doesn't know this. M has sent Bond to try rendezvous with the woman, to tell her as to avoid a scandal. Bond sets up the rendezvous for the Reptile House at the Central Park Zoo. However, things go wrong and are barely fixed in time. There is no reptile house at the Central Park Zoo.

[Harmsway]

Fleming used the name twice as far as I know.  He did use the name is OO7 in New York.

007 In New York- Ian Fleming 1964

Summary-James Bond goes to New York for a simple mission. A female former member of MI6, Solange, has started living with a man who is former KGB. She doesn't know this. M has sent Bond to try rendezvous with the woman, to tell her as to avoid a scandal. Bond sets up the rendezvous for the Reptile House at the Central Park Zoo. However, things go wrong and are barely fixed in time. There is no reptile house at the Central Park Zoo.

Ahh... there it is!

[Royal Dalton]

except that according to pervis, wade and haggis, the final line is intact.

I meant his parting quip to this 'Solonge' character, not Vesper Lynd.

[Jim]

[quote name='Doctor Shatterhand' date='11 January 2006 - 19:33']Fleming used the name twice as far as I know.

[blueman]

I'm guessing the spelling "Solonge" in this news story is a misspelling, as the "a" in Solange is pronounced very nearly like the "o" in "long." As least as I've heard it pronounced, by someone named Solange no less...but that's another story.