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[pieffra]

What do you think about Jonathan Rhys Meyers, to replace Craig, once he leaves the part?

[Santa]

I think that's a very bad idea. Not manly at all.

[Bondesque]

I hope it will be Butler or Jackman in that order.

[Thunderfinger]

While we

[killkenny kid]

What do you think about Jonathan Rhys Meyers, to replace Craig, once he leaves the part?

I can see that.

[Johnboy007]

I hope it will be Butler or Jackman in that order.

Wouldn't Jackman be a little old for it?

[I never miss]

What about Matthew Macfadyen (Spooks, Pride and Prejudice). Actually I was always surprised he wasn't (to my knowledge) considered this time around - he would have done the "young Bond" thing very well (Criag isn't really young enough to be Young Bond) which is what after all they siad they were doing. I'd pick him over Cavill any day.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Macfadyen is a wonderful actor - he is physically tough and has the right look. He is better on screen than one mighht think just from looking at a still photo of him. Spooks has never been as good since he left - he was the main reason I watched it. Like you, I am very surprised that Macfadyen wasn't considered for Bond #6 (although who knows - perhaps he was?). Macfadyen is 31/32 at the moment. I think Craig will do the three movies he's contracted to do and will turn down a fourth as he'll be fed up with it all by then. CR is out this year. Bond 22 is probably out next year. Bond 23 will, I guess be out in 2009 I guess. Then, I imagine, a new Bond will be launched in a 50th anniversary movie in 2012 - and ideally if the Bond actor is changed then it would be Macfadyen.

HOWEVER, I think that Craig will be great, and I'd like him to do 4 or 5 ideally.

[DamnCoffee]

I really want Clive Owen to be Bond after Craig he has the looks and he has the sophisticated personality

[SecretAgentFan]

I think Craig will do more than three.

[I never miss]

I really want Clive Owen to be Bond after Craig he has the looks and he has the sophisticated personality

Can't see this happening - Owen was born in 1965. By the time Craig finishes his three contracted movies (and let's face it, he may do more than three) Owen will be too old to be Bond - 46 at least.

Owen looks the part, I must admit, but his voice and dubious leading-man ability lets him down. If Owen had the acting talent and voice of Craig then he would be a superb Bond. 'If', as they say, is the middle word in 'life'. I am happy with Craig. I think those that like Connery's Bond the best will particularly like Craig's.

When Craig eventually hangs up his leather-chamois shoulder holster I would go for Matthew MacFadyen (Born in 1974 or 75). By the time he is in his late 30s he would be perfect.

Edited by I never miss, 31 July 2006 - 01:02 PM.

[Harmsway]

The last thing I want Craig to be replaced by is a Craig facsimile. This franchise has thrived on variety - let's keep it that way.

[tdalton]

I think Craig will do more than three.

So do I. I think that Craig will get at least as many as Brosnan did (4), but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he went on for a 5th film as well.

[stuarthr]

I want to put a vote in for Jonathan Cake. I saw him yesterday playing Coriolanus at the Globe in London & the first thing I thought when I saw him is that he's a perfect Bond. Rugged and intense like Craig, but also suave and charming & he has a lot of sex appeal. He's a pretty good actor too, here's a review with a picture:

http://www.telegraph...5/12/btcs12.xml

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[Loomis]

I think Craig will be the last James Bond for many, many years, not because he'll fail and sink the franchise, as his many detractors prophesise, but because:

- I reckon he'll do more than three.

- I don't think there'll be many actors capable of following him, or willing to attempt to do so.

(MOST IMPORTANTLY, PERHAPS)*

- I think Eon are going to use up a lot of good stuff over the next few films, and pretty soon all the decent ideas (and Fleming/Bondian titles) are going to run out. And apart from that, where do you go after Craig? Another BOND BEGINS reboot? Back to a Brosnan clone, and a slew of movies with titles like TOMORROW NEVER KILLS ANOTHER DIE? I suspect that they know this, and realise that the franchise - at least for the foreseeable future - is good for a few more entries, but no more than a few. Thus, I reckon they'll be trying to, as it were, go out on a high with the Craig era.

*Hence the "shouting" in capitals.

[Harmsway]

- I think Eon are going to use up a lot of good stuff over the next few films, and pretty soon all the decent ideas (and Fleming/Bondian titles) are going to run out. And apart from that, where do you go after Craig? Another BOND BEGINS reboot? Back to a Brosnan clone, and a slew of movies with titles like TOMORROW NEVER KILLS ANOTHER DIE? I suspect that they know this, and realise that the franchise - at least for the foreseeable future - is good for a few more entries, but no more than a few. Thus, I reckon they'll be trying to, as it were, go out on a high with the Craig era.

Intriguing point, Loomie. Where will they go after this? The apparent goal of CASINO ROYALE (as I understand it from interviews) was to make Bond last another 20 or so years.

They certainly can get a decent Bond era out of Craig, with the grittier, edgier style of Bond films. But where do you take it beyond that without just retreading ground already covered? I suppose if they *really* wanted to continue things, the remake route would be the one they'd take.

[Publius]

Intriguing point, Loomie. Where will they go after this? The apparent goal of CASINO ROYALE (as I understand it from interviews) was to make Bond last another 20 or so years.

They certainly can get a decent Bond era out of Craig, with the grittier, edgier style of Bond films. But where do you take it beyond that without just retreading ground already covered? I suppose if they *really* wanted to continue things, the remake route would be the one they'd take.

I'm sure there are plenty more wonderful stories to tell with James Bond as hero, but maybe making them less "personal" without sacrificing, I don't know, depth? gravitas? in the name of sheer popcorn entertainment (the TND trap).

Perhaps switching to lengthier breaks between different Bonds can help? I wouldn't have minded this recent dry spell as much if I liked TWINE and DAD, and/or if there had been another Brosnan one (if it was good). For the sake of the franchise, I could put up with the periodic creative hiatus.

[Thunderfinger]

If the Craig movies do poorly, it could be the end for some time.
If he is very popular, it will be hard to replace him, and it could be the end for some time.

But why be pessimistic? I can

[Santa]

I think Eon are going to use up a lot of good stuff over the next few films, and pretty soon all the decent ideas (and Fleming/Bondian titles) are going to run out. And apart from that, where do you go after Craig? Another BOND BEGINS reboot? Back to a Brosnan clone, and a slew of movies with titles like TOMORROW NEVER KILLS ANOTHER DIE? I suspect that they know this, and realise that the franchise - at least for the foreseeable future - is good for a few more entries, but no more than a few. Thus, I reckon they'll be trying to, as it were, go out on a high with the Craig era.

Why would you say this? Are you trying to make me cry? I would hate, hate, hate to see Bond end, no matter what directions they start taking. The end of Bond might turn me to drink, or lesbianism, or to wearing granny pants. It's the worst idea I have ever heard.

[Thunderfinger]

Don

[Santa]

I'm holding back the tears for now, I'm being strong. Slightly worried that the granny pants are looking tempting though...

[OmarB]

I hate thinking that far forward since it's quite possible that Daniel could become my favorite. Best of senarios is he's the best and hangs around for many of them like Connery or Moore.

Though if he were to go I would want the character to go back to an actor who looks like the more traditional Bond as described by the books. Oh, and he better be English! Wouldnt it suck if they ever cast some dude who just could not do the accent?

[JimmyBond]

Wouldnt it suck if they ever cast some dude who just could not do the accent?

You mean like Brosnan

[Jericho_One]

Hey, in six actors, Craig is only the second one who is an english native...

[Loomis]

I think Eon are going to use up a lot of good stuff over the next few films, and pretty soon all the decent ideas (and Fleming/Bondian titles) are going to run out. And apart from that, where do you go after Craig? Another BOND BEGINS reboot? Back to a Brosnan clone, and a slew of movies with titles like TOMORROW NEVER KILLS ANOTHER DIE? I suspect that they know this, and realise that the franchise - at least for the foreseeable future - is good for a few more entries, but no more than a few. Thus, I reckon they'll be trying to, as it were, go out on a high with the Craig era.

Why would you say this? Are you trying to make me cry? I would hate, hate, hate to see Bond end, no matter what directions they start taking. The end of Bond might turn me to drink, or lesbianism, or to wearing granny pants. It's the worst idea I have ever heard.

Hey, you think I want to see Bond end? Still, I must with extreme regret stand by what I wrote, especially after reading the new Entertainment Weekly article:

Obviously, it's an enormous gamble, especially since the franchise hasn't exactly been losing money lately (the last Bond movie, 2002's Die Another Day, grossed $432 million worldwide). But Broccoli and her brother, who used to be famously reluctant to tinker with the franchise's formula, are now convinced it's time to take a risk. Especially since they couldn't think of anything else to do. "After the last film, we spent eight months trying to come up with a story, but just couldn't," says Wilson. "The movies had become so fantastical with invisible cars and stuff like that there was just no way to continue in that same vein. There was nothing new left to do. So we decided to start all over with the story we've always wanted to tell how Bond became Bond in the first place."

If what Wilson says is true, then it would appear that writers (presumably including Purvis and Wade) were paid to labour for eight months on an original Bond story and came up with precisely squat. And don't forget that the cancelled JINX film had a finished script, which one imagines could have been raided for ideas.

Yet nothing. It seems to me that Wilson is as good as admitting that they've finally exhausted just about every possible permutation of story, villain, Bond girl and so on, and that the only possible direction is to make Bond himself the story, in terms of the next few films being about his early career and development into the superhero secret agent we all know and love (it's a very good bet that BOND 22 will feature the introductions of Moneypenny and Q, doubtless with quite a bit of backstory).

What will they do after Craig? Return to making variations on DIE ANOTHER DAY? I doubt it. Remake the Connery/Lazenby/Moore Fleming-based films? Why bother, if the Craig era is already going to be "gritty", "realistic" and "Flemingian"? Besides, good luck trying to make a better DR. NO, FRWL, GOLDFINGER or OHMSS than the films already out there, or trying to make a faithful yet commercial movie version of YOLT, TMWTGG or TSWLM.

Besides, who's going to follow Craig? Any other actor would be a bore. A Craig clone won't cut it, and neither will the return to a "traditional" Brosnan type. Period films won't work, and would seem like a totally unnecessary second reboot just a few years after Craig.

I don't think Bond will ever end, as such. Too valuable a property, for one thing. But I do believe that the film series, as we know it, will be wrapped up before too long - perhaps with a 50th anniversary 25th film in 2012. After that, all the decent material (and titles), and all the viable new directions, will simply be gone. There will probably be new novels every so often, comic books, computer games and the like, perhaps an animated TV series or whatever, but I'm afraid to say that the Bond franchise we've all grown up with will probably not be around for much longer.

*Sob*

[DamnCoffee]

Hey, in six actors, Craig is only the second one who is an english native...

yeah i noticed that to

Scottish, Australian, English, Whelsh, Irish and English

[DaveBond21]

Daniel Craig will do 3 films at the very most.

I think he is already getting tired of being Bond as far as media intrusion is concerned. He has been looking at web-sites and thinks he is unpopular. The problem with Craig as Bond is that he is the perfect actor for the role, but he doesn't have the personality to deal with the role outside of filming.

He is starting to realise that you are Bond forever and no-one lets you forget it. He will be asked about Bond in every interview he does, and I can tell, from what we've seen of interviews in the past, that he won't like that at all.

[K1Bond007]

Daniel Craig will do 3 films at the very most.

I think he is already getting tired of being Bond as far as media intrusion is concerned. He has been looking at web-sites and thinks he is unpopular.

That's now and from your point of view. I can't say that he's probably already tired of Bond. Who can say in the next few years what the fans will think of him? He could be loved and sign on to make 3 more. What if they offer him more? You said Bond is with you forever, so why not make the most of it and do it at least "one more time."

It's far too early to make any sort of guess on this.

[DaveBond21]

What if they offer him more? You said Bond is with you forever, so why not make the most of it and do it at least "one more time."

Yes, that is a fair point. But he is so unlike Connery, Moore and Brosnan, in that he really hates the media, and film reviewers. He has always said that in all the interviews I have seen (and that is not many as he doesn't like them).

He stated that he is "in it for the bread and the birds". He said that in an interview. He is Bond for the money and the women. Fair enough. But will it be worth it? That every little part of his portrayal of 007 will be analysed??

From what I know of Craig, one thing is for sure. He thinks that actors should be judged on their ability in making a role come to life on screen. He hates interviews about acting.

But that is part of Bond. Roger Moore still loves talking about it. But Daniel Craig has never liked it.

We will, of course, have to wait and see. But I have never seen an actor less suited to the adulation and criticism that comes with being Bond.

[Double-Oh Agent]

I think Eon are going to use up a lot of good stuff over the next few films, and pretty soon all the decent ideas (and Fleming/Bondian titles) are going to run out. And apart from that, where do you go after Craig? Another BOND BEGINS reboot? Back to a Brosnan clone, and a slew of movies with titles like TOMORROW NEVER KILLS ANOTHER DIE? I suspect that they know this, and realise that the franchise - at least for the foreseeable future - is good for a few more entries, but no more than a few. Thus, I reckon they'll be trying to, as it were, go out on a high with the Craig era.

Why would you say this? Are you trying to make me cry? I would hate, hate, hate to see Bond end, no matter what directions they start taking. The end of Bond might turn me to drink, or lesbianism, or to wearing granny pants. It's the worst idea I have ever heard.

Hey, you think I want to see Bond end? Still, I must with extreme regret stand by what I wrote, especially after reading the new Entertainment Weekly article:

Obviously, it's an enormous gamble, especially since the franchise hasn't exactly been losing money lately (the last Bond movie, 2002's Die Another Day, grossed $432 million worldwide). But Broccoli and her brother, who used to be famously reluctant to tinker with the franchise's formula, are now convinced it's time to take a risk. Especially since they couldn't think of anything else to do. "After the last film, we spent eight months trying to come up with a story, but just couldn't," says Wilson. "The movies had become so fantastical with invisible cars and stuff like that there was just no way to continue in that same vein. There was nothing new left to do. So we decided to start all over with the story we've always wanted to tell how Bond became Bond in the first place."

If what Wilson says is true, then it would appear that writers (presumably including Purvis and Wade) were paid to labour for eight months on an original Bond story and came up with precisely squat. And don't forget that the cancelled JINX film had a finished script, which one imagines could have been raided for ideas.

Yet nothing. It seems to me that Wilson is as good as admitting that they've finally exhausted just about every possible permutation of story, villain, Bond girl and so on, and that the only possible direction is to make Bond himself the story, in terms of the next few films being about his early career and development into the superhero secret agent we all know and love (it's a very good bet that BOND 22 will feature the introductions of Moneypenny and Q, doubtless with quite a bit of backstory).

What will they do after Craig? Return to making variations on DIE ANOTHER DAY? I doubt it. Remake the Connery/Lazenby/Moore Fleming-based films? Why bother, if the Craig era is already going to be "gritty", "realistic" and "Flemingian"? Besides, good luck trying to make a better DR. NO, FRWL, GOLDFINGER or OHMSS than the films already out there, or trying to make a faithful yet commercial movie version of YOLT, TMWTGG or TSWLM.

Besides, who's going to follow Craig? Any other actor would be a bore. A Craig clone won't cut it, and neither will the return to a "traditional" Brosnan type. Period films won't work, and would seem like a totally unnecessary second reboot just a few years after Craig.

I don't think Bond will ever end, as such. Too valuable a property, for one thing. But I do believe that the film series, as we know it, will be wrapped up before too long - perhaps with a 50th anniversary 25th film in 2012. After that, all the decent material (and titles), and all the viable new directions, will simply be gone. There will probably be new novels every so often, comic books, computer games and the like, perhaps an animated TV series or whatever, but I'm afraid to say that the Bond franchise we've all grown up with will probably not be around for much longer.

*Sob*

You paint a very disturbing and depressing picture there Loomis. I hope you are way off base. However, I can see where you are coming from. I'm not willing to sound the death knell yet, but you do bring up some good food for thought.

As for Wilson's comments about not being able to come up with a story and there being nothing left to do, I say--nay yell--"What about the continuation novels?!" There are plenty of stuff in there that can be used. Yes, some may need to be improved and others have been pilfered a bit in some way but that hasn't stopped EON before--see YOLT and TSWLM or TSWLM and Moonraker. It can be done!

Anyway, enough of the rant. As for who comes after Craig, it's still a little too early to tell. In a way, we're still too close to the last search. In a couple of years or so, a more likely successor than those who were passed over for Bond #6 may emerge.

[_Ozu_]

Well, I think you haven't named him before: David Tennant

I know it's Doctor Who and all that, but he's 6'1'' (for those who like to say they have a tall Bond), he is known worldwide and he will be 41 if Craig leaves the role in 2012, but he looks younger (I bet he'll do the 50th Anniversary movie, and then leave).

He's scottish like Sean Connery, and like Timothy Dalton, he has been built in theaters

David Tennant 1

David Tenant 2

Tennant Dressed Like Connery

What do you think?