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The Dark Knight (2008)


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#1321 Publius

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 08:51 PM

Finally saw it last night. Great movie. Fantastic superhero, action, and crime movie. Definitely the best in the Batman franchise... although I still think Begins is close behind, simply because I have a soft spot for origin stories and I loved how Batman was built up before finally being revealed halfway through. It's the cinematic equivalent to being fashionably late.

Anyway, I think TDK did have a few (minor) flaws, but I won't jump into that right now. I actually feel, unlike many apparently, that having Batman recede into the shadows somewhat, becoming about equally important to several other characters, strengthened the film by allowing the other movers and shakers in Gotham to be developed into worthy adversaries and allies for our hero. It really enabled TDK to become the city-wide thriller people have been saying reminds them of Heat.

And I might be committing heresy by saying this, but as much I loved Ledger's Joker (indeed, I now agree that he's worthy of being called one of cinema's greatest villains), I think Aaron Eckhart stole the show.
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Great cinematography, by the way. Begins didn't have enough of Gotham during the daytime (that contrast makes the night scenes all the more powerful) and I love that it looks like they shot much of it in Chicago. Brought the fictional city to life more than I've ever seen.

On a side note, did anyone catch the many "Bond movie" moments? I'm sure they've been discussed in this thread by now, but there was
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Given that Nolan's such a big Bond fan, I doubt any of it's coincidence. In addition, having just seen Begins again recently, I remember the scene there where Bond escapes an angry mob of people under the influence of Crane's hallucinogen by grappling a moving train and how similar it is to Bond's underwater escape from the frogmen when he harpooned the seaplane in LTK. Then there was Shane Rimmer's cameo...

#1322 Mercator

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 08:53 PM

It has not opened in Engeland, yet. I will wait for next week for then I can see it.
Maybe then I can say.

#1323 DamnCoffee

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 08:55 PM

It has not opened in Engeland, yet. I will wait for next week for then I can see it.
Maybe then I can say.



It opens in England on thursday. I have booked the 12:40pm showing at Darlington. :tup:

#1324 Mercator

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 09:08 PM

It has not opened in Engeland, yet. I will wait for next week for then I can see it.
Maybe then I can say.



It opens in England on thursday. I have booked the 12:40pm showing at Darlington. :tup:

But I don't live in the Darlington.

#1325 DamnCoffee

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 09:10 PM

Well it opens all the way throughout England on thursday, Darlington is just the place I'm going to see it at. :tup:

#1326 Vauxhall

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 10:53 PM

Well it opens all the way throughout England on thursday, Darlington is just the place I'm going to see it at. :tup:

Lovely choice! Epsom for me.

I've watched BATMAN BEGINS and BATMAN (1989) so far this week. Getting through them!

#1327 Mr. Blofeld

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 11:03 PM

Anyone else think that
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#1328 Mister E

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 11:19 PM

Anyone else think that

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Good point.

TDK does crush Indy...no contest.


None whatsoever.


Indeed.



I third that.

#1329 EyesOnly

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 11:29 PM

I admit that Ledgers death heightens the anticipation of the film for many...sadly (not me). However, after seeing the film it's clear that Ledger is not the movie, he only adds to it..and I hope that Hilde recognizes that. There is so much right with TDK it would take too long to type. Being a Bond fan, I have no qualms giving such high praise to this film and am 100% behind Harmsway with his viewpoint. I won't get bent out of shape if a film outside of "Bondom" is just as good or better than Bond itself.

#1330 Gobi-1

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 01:38 AM

I agree that The Dark Knight is better then Kingdom of the Crystal Skull but, for me anyway, I enjoyed Indy more. It's like how I know Raiders of the Lost Ark is the best Indy movie but Last Crusade is my personal favorite.

I'm also going to give a slight edge to Batman Begins over The Dark Knight just because I really loved the origin story and how they reinvented Batman. Liam Neeson, and the Scarecrow are also big pluses. Yet surprisingly topping my list of favorite comic book movies is Superman Returns. That film really speaks to me on an emotional level and visually I think it's the most beautiful looking comic book film I've seen.

However in my opinion Casino Royale tops them all.

All the film I've mentioned I considered excellent and well made so my rankings really come down to personal taste more then anything else. We have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to genre films today. There's something for everybody.

#1331 jaguar007

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 01:52 AM

Anyone else think that

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Good point.

TDK does crush Indy...no contest.


None whatsoever.


Indeed.



I third that.


I guess that I'm alone in saying that I enjoyed Indy 4 more. I just saw TDK this afternoon, I thought overall it was a better and more well made movie than Indy 4, but I left the theater in a somber mood. I enjoyed Indy more.

#1332 sharpshooter

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 01:56 AM

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#1333 Tarl_Cabot

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:00 AM

Anyone else think that

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Good point.

TDK does crush Indy...no contest.


None whatsoever.


Indeed.



I third that.


I guess that I'm alone in saying that I enjoyed Indy 4 more. I just saw TDK this afternoon, I thought overall it was a better and more well made movie than Indy 4, but I left the theater in a somber mood. I enjoyed Indy more.


I think Mr * meant there really is no contest, as in it's not a competition.But Indy 4 does seem inept compared to TDK.

#1334 Righty007

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:10 AM

I thought it was cool how they showed young Barbara Gordon, the future Batgirl. :tup:

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:10 AM

Saw it last night & loved it. For a Sunday night, the theater had a very good crowd & it looked like the crowd for one of the shows after mine was even bigger. Movies like this don't come along all that often so savor this one while you can. I'll be checking out the IMAX version in the next week or so. :tup:

#1336 Gobi-1

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:39 AM

I'm hoping to see it on IMAX as well.

#1337 sharpshooter

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 08:31 AM

Batman star accused of assault.

http://news.ninemsn.....aspx?id=601698

#1338 Mercator

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 11:16 AM

Batman star accused of assault.

http://news.ninemsn.....aspx?id=601698


No wonder they call him the Sean Connery of the Batman franchise.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 11:19 AM

I'm surprised nobody discovered this sooner.

The Dark Knight Gotham City Street Chase. It's an online game featuring the batpod.

http://www.comcast.n...ightmovie/game/

#1340 killkenny kid

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 11:31 AM

Batman star accused of assault.

http://news.ninemsn.....aspx?id=601698



Welcome to the big time, Mr. Bale. Let the BS, begin. :tup:

#1341 HildebrandRarity

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 12:30 PM

I admit that Ledgers death heightens the anticipation of the film for many...sadly (not me). However, after seeing the film it's clear that Ledger is not the movie, he only adds to it..and I hope that Hilde recognizes that. There is so much right with TDK it would take too long to type. Being a Bond fan, I have no qualms giving such high praise to this film and am 100% behind Harmsway with his viewpoint. I won't get bent out of shape if a film outside of "Bondom" is just as good or better than Bond itself.


You hope I recognize what?

I was looking forward to this film late last year...BEFORE Heath's unfortunate, fatal and accidental overdose. I've been a big fan of the Caped Crusader since childhood and was hotly anticipating Ledger's Joker...PRIOR to the tragic occurrence. I also agree with Harmsway that this movie is more about Harvey Dent / Harvey Two Face and the story arc of that character than anyone else.

Further, I think Heath did great justice to the role and totally overshadows Nicholson's bloated, self-aggrandized portrayal of The Joker in 1989 (which I saw on opening day, FYI!). No contest there. And, yes, it's a good movie and the performances are great all around. I'm not disputing any of it. In fact, I can hardly wait to check it out on IMAX! I think it's an 8.5 with the potential of going higher.

But are we not supposed to point out the weaknesses/flaws? And if someone says that the action or acting in this movie is superior to the action or acting in, say, Casino Royale...are we just supposed to lie down and not legitimately defend our position? I purposely did not go into a more detailed level of constructive criticism because a lot of CBn-ers have yet to see it.

I'll tell you one thing, if you come to these forums suggesting this movie is the greatest thing since sliced bread, you better be able to handle the heat of scrutiny.

We know all about scrutiny here because every single James Bond movie ever made is held to the Nth degree of such scrutiny on CBn. Why should TDK escape the same level of critical analysis we impose on Dr No or FRWL or Thunderball or LALD or 'Spy or The Living Daylights or GoldenEye or Casino Royale?

I'll see The Dark Knight again soon. And, after everyone here on CBn (in England, especially) has seen it, then i'll be more specific in my analysis.

Right now I stand by what I said: The action in Casino Royale (at least the filming of the action and the clear portrayal of it) and acting by DC as James Bond is, i.m.o., a cut above the action in TDK and the acting by Bale or Ledger or Eckhart or Oldham. I'm taking specifically about discernable action and i'm talking specifically about Daniel Craig, not the "ensemble cast". I may even have an issue about the 'drama'...but I want to have another viewing or two.

Hope I come across as being more balanced.


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If you recall, I said that some (not all) of the action sequences in The Bourne Ultimatum suffered from an epelepsian overdose of shaky-cam. Later, others (some, not all) noted what I meant and even agreed with me. Now, with The Dark Knight, i'm saying that the bat-mobile and bat-pod/cycle sequence suffers (not in a massive way, but suffers none-the-less) from being less-than-descernable and is muddled in silhouettes and shadows - overly so - which 'cheats' the viewer in relation to, say, Casino Royale's two night time set pieces. [And, yes, I understand that it's "Batman"/"The DARK Knight"/'creature of the night', etc.] But that doesn't dismiss it from being held to a high level of scrutiny, film action wise.

#1342 Mr Teddy Bear

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 01:14 PM

Anyone else think that

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Good point.

TDK does crush Indy...no contest.


None whatsoever.


Indeed.



I third that.


I guess that I'm alone in saying that I enjoyed Indy 4 more. I just saw TDK this afternoon, I thought overall it was a better and more well made movie than Indy 4, but I left the theater in a somber mood. I enjoyed Indy more.


You're not alone, your post reflects exactly my thoughts. No doubt, each component of TDK had more care injected into it, but when I own both Indy and TDK on DVD I know which one is going to get more use.

#1343 Mr. Blofeld

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 01:32 PM

Batman star accused of assault.

http://news.ninemsn.....aspx?id=601698

Oh, crap; that's not good... :tup:

#1344 ImTheMoneypenny

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 01:39 PM

Batman star accused of assault.

http://news.ninemsn.....aspx?id=601698

Oh, crap; that's not good... :tup:


His sister and mother making the claim. I don't know what to think, honestly. :tup:

#1345 Skudor

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:19 PM

He's actually been arrested now too!

#1346 Mister E

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:42 PM

Batman star accused of assault.

http://news.ninemsn.....aspx?id=601698

Oh, crap; that's not good... :tup:


His sister and mother making the claim. I don't know what to think, honestly. :tup:


Just goes to show that you really don't know any of these stars.

#1347 dodge

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:44 PM

Batman star accused of assault.

http://news.ninemsn.....aspx?id=601698



Welcome to the big time, Mr. Bale. Let the BS, begin. :tup:


Ain't that the low-down truth? Give Bale a break--Russell Crowe did it. :tup:

#1348 DR76

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:47 PM

I don't know. I'm not sure he has it in him. I don't think Burton is able to recognize what a really coherent story is. I think SWEENEY TODD is really something of a happy accident.


Oh, I think that Tim Burton knows a good story is. I'm not a fan of his, but I do believe that he is a good director.



I guess that I'm alone in saying that I enjoyed Indy 4 more. I just saw TDK this afternoon, I thought overall it was a better and more well made movie than Indy 4



I don't know if I agree. I think that TDK could have been the best . . . if it were not for its last half hour. Because of that, I feel that INDY 4 ended up being better.

Edited by DR76, 22 July 2008 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:52 PM

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#1350 Mister E

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:55 PM

I don't know. I'm not sure he has it in him. I don't think Burton is able to recognize what a really coherent story is. I think SWEENEY TODD is really something of a happy accident.


Oh, I think that Tim Burton knows a good story is. I'm not a fan of his, but I do believe that he is a good director.



I guess that I'm alone in saying that I enjoyed Indy 4 more. I just saw TDK this afternoon, I thought overall it was a better and more well made movie than Indy 4



I don't know if I agree. I think that TDK could have been the best . . . if it were not for its last half hour. Because of that, I feel that INDY 4 ended up being better.


The last half hour was terrific. Alot better then Indy 4's conclusion.