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#2821 tdalton

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 01:36 AM

 If he can't win a ring with Peyton in that stadium how is he gonna do with the Jets?
 

 

Better than we've been doing, surely. 

 

The bar for "success" is very, very low with the Jets.  Just look at how many Jets fans wanted to retain an awful HC in Rex Ryan, just because he had one good season out of six. 

 

The Jets are a glorified junior college team that the NFL lets compete on their level.  Fox has led two NFL franchises to multiple playoff runs and two Super Bowl appearances.  Heck, he won a playoff game with a scrub like Tim Tebow.  Surely he can do more for the Jets than Dan Quinn or Todd Bowles.


Edited by tdalton, 13 January 2015 - 01:39 AM.


#2822 Tarl_Cabot

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 03:04 AM

I see your point but I'd rather have a fresh young coach than a tired retread who's been doing it for 13 years straight.



#2823 tdalton

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 03:26 AM

All things being equal, I'd generally agree with your approach, opting to go with a hungry young coach over a retread.  Problem is, that's been the Jets' MO since Woody Johnson took over as owner. 

 

Each HC under Johnson has been a first-year HC from the defensive side of the ball: Al Groh, Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini, and Rex Ryan.  Even going back to the pre-Woody era, we had a lot of first-time HCs.  2015 might be the time for a retread, as there really aren't any great upcoming candidates this time around. 

 

If they were to bring Fox in, he'd be inheriting a pretty solid defense that is only a couple of pieces in the secondary away from being back to the elite status it had in Rex's early days in NY.  He'd also be in heriting nearly $50 million in cap room that must be spent under the CBA's new spending rules, most of which could be focused on building a quality offense.  The Jets also have a soft slate of opponents next year.  All of that considered, if we bring in a veteran HC like Fox and use the cap space wisely, there's no reason that the Jets couldn't rebound and be a playoff team in 2015. 

 

The roster was not nearly as bad as it was made out to be this past season, Rex and company just did a phenomenally poor job of coaching it and Idzik made the critical error of not shoring up the WR and CB positions.  The rest of the roster, while not on the level of some of these current playoff teams (obviously) wasn't exactly the travesty that they were made out to be either. 



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Posted 13 January 2015 - 03:03 PM

*Taken voice* Good Luck. :laugh:


Hey, Norv Turner is available! :D



#2825 seawolfnyy

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 02:06 AM

I think the 2 things we learned this weekend (well not really learned, just reaffirmed) are that Brady is, and always has been, better than Manning and that a one-legged Aaron Rodgers is still better than 99% of the league.



#2826 tdalton

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 02:57 AM

I'll take Manning any day of the week over Brady.  He can at least claim one untainted championship.  Brady can't.



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 03:22 AM

If Marty Shottenheimer doesn't do his regular choke job and FS Marlon Mcree doesn't fumble an int for SD during the 2006 playoff game vs Pats Manning gets no ring. I have no doubt Chargers would have beat Indy(they beat them the next 2 years in the regular and post season). Manning also played the SB vs the ultimate turnover machine Rex Grossman. He won a ring, yes but he got delt a great hand that year.Just saying. :happy:

 

 I'd take  Andrew Luck over anyone per his youth.



#2828 tdalton

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 03:25 AM

Yes, he may have gotten lucky, but virtually every Super Bowl winner gets lucky along the way.  At least Manning's championship isn't tainted.



#2829 The Dove

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 03:27 AM

Just coming over the wire.. Todd Bowles will be the new head coach of your New York Jets, tdalton!

#2830 tdalton

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 03:35 AM

Not sure what to think about the hire.  I like Bowles, but all indications were the Jets were absolutely enamored with Dan Quinn and were going to wait until February 2, if necessary, to hire him.  Now, only 24 hours after John Fox is fired, they abandon that plan because they're paranoid that Denver will land Quinn and opt for their second choice in Bowles.

 

Like I said, I like Bowles, and he will do better for the Jets than Ryan did, but I think this news virtually assures that Dan Quinn will win a Super Bowl with the team that hires him.  

 

The bigger news, however, is that the Jets also hired a GM:  Mike Maccagnan from the Houston Texans.  First time since Parcells that we've had a personnel guy in the GM spot rather than an accountant.



#2831 tdalton

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 03:54 AM

EDIT:  Sorry, The Dove.  Been a long day and my apologies for neglecting to thank you for the heads up on that news.  Thanks.   :)

 

EDIT:  And, apparently I hit the wrong button and double-posted.  Like I said, long day.



#2832 The Dove

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 04:08 AM

No problem!

#2833 Tarl_Cabot

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 05:20 AM

Yes, he may have gotten lucky, but virtually every Super Bowl winner gets lucky along the way.  At least Manning's championship isn't tainted.

In light of the spygate scandal,  when Bolts went for it on 4-11(horrible call Marty!) it always seemed to me like the Pats knew exactly what was coming...and they haven't won a ring since. ;)


Are you freaking out over the broncos situation Tdove?
Rex Ryan had some big playoff wins but with no QB and no Revis-Cromartie they fell apart. I don't really blame him as much I do the GM. Ryan has no #1 pick in Buffalo this year so welcome to Groundhog day Bills fans!

#2834 tdalton

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 01:30 PM

Ryan's teams always lacked discipline and were always making the same mistakes that they were making during his first couple of years as the HC.  I can't count how many 12-men on the field penalties the Jets got.  Those kind of things are unacceptable.  I think the only reason that the 2010 team did as well as it did was because it was stacked with a lot of older veteran players who were there to get their last shot at a Super Bowl (Tomlinson, Jason Taylor, etc.) and they probably handled the mental discipline aspect of things since Rex was incapable of doing so.

 

Rex only had the one good season in New York.  2010 was it.  2009 was a 7-9 team that the Colts and Bengals laid down to in the last two weeks to allow them to go 9-7 and qualify for the playoffs.  From there they rode an us against the world mentality to the AFC Championship Game.  But that team was basically a 7-9 football team that didn't deserve the playoffs.  Rex's only good season as a HC was 2010 when he went 11-5 with a team that really should have gone 12-4 or 13-3.

 

I feel sorry for the Bills fans, I really do.  They couldn't have made a worse hire if they tried.  Rex's forte is defense, and they already had that.  He's not a HC.  Their offense is awful and Rex is going to make it worse.  It might be exciting in the beginning, and he may even be able to tempt Revis to join him up there (although Revis is not the player he once was), but this is a team that will start regressing under Ryan much quicker than the Jets did.  Plus, now they're having to let go of the DC that built their defense up into the #3 defense in the league in Jim Schwartz.  What they should have done is hired an offensively minded HC and left Schwartz to continue building what he was building, because his defense last year was better than anything Rex has put on the field in a while.



#2835 The Dove

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 04:43 PM

 


Are you freaking out over the broncos situation Tdove?
 

 

Not hitting the major panic button just yet.. Sadly though it looks like the band is breaking up... Jack Del Rio is pretty assured to be taking the Raiders HC job and I think the 49ers are getting ready to hire Adam Gase.. As for Denver's HC vacancy, I think that Elway is going after his old teammate and former OC Gary Kubiak for the job, despite Kubiak saying he wants to stay with the Baltimore Ravens..On the bright side of things, I can rest assured that Josh McDumbass...err.. McDaniels will NOT be getting a second chance to be the head coach of my Broncos.. :P



#2836 Eric Stromberg

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 04:52 PM

No reason for The Dove or any other member of the Bronco Nation to panic; it would be unprofessional.

 

Head coaches and QBs come and go, but championship Bronco football is forever, baby!

 

GO BRONCOS



#2837 The Dove

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 05:04 PM

That's the spirit, Eric!



#2838 Call Billy Bob

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 05:20 PM

For the record, this Chiefs fan is looking at Denver's current state and doing his best Mr. Burns impression: "Excellent!"



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 05:40 PM

The press here in San Diego started singing this same tune the day after Denver's loss.  I don't think the Chargers have the sack to unseat the Broncos from atop the AFC-W; maybe the Chiefs have a slightly better chance of that.

 

I can't blame wannabees from aspiring for more, but we all know Denver owns the AFC-W, and all others have merely crept from the shadows on occasion to challenge our dominance.  I for one would like to see John Elway visit all the other West team cities in a pope-mobile, and invite them to kneel and kiss the ring, just so everyone in the neighborhood knows their place.

 

Are you with me, my fellow CBners?  STAY CLASSY and GO BRONCOS



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 06:26 PM

Humble one, aren't ya? Typical Donks fan... (and I'd never admit this to a Faider follower, but Oakland is probably the most storied franchise in the division, sadly...)

 

If we shore up the o-line, draft a decent receiver or two, resign Hali and extend Houston - I'm fairly certain a playoff return is imminent, perhaps even a division crown.



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 07:59 PM

I'll take Manning any day of the week over Brady.  He can at least claim one untainted championship.  Brady can't.

People need to get over the spygate thing. Tom Brady has been to 9 AFC Championship games, winning 5. Manning has gone one and done in the playoffs 9 times. Brady has a better TD-INT ratio, regular season record and quarterback rating than Manning. That's not even mentioning Brady's vastly superior head-to-head record. Brady is better. Also, it's time to let the tuck rule game go. The call was correct based on the rule.



#2842 tdalton

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 08:02 PM

 

I'll take Manning any day of the week over Brady.  He can at least claim one untainted championship.  Brady can't.

People need to get over the spygate thing. 

 

 

No, actually they don't.  The Patriots cheated, end of story.



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 08:09 PM

Yes, the Pats cheated, but it was 8 years ago. And I doubt that their continued success was helped along by taping games of one division opponent. Even Eric Mangini said something to that effect a few years ago. I hate the Pats as much as the next guy, but spygate is a thing that happened and now it's over. Moving on.



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 08:13 PM

Yes, the Pats cheated, but it was 8 years ago. And I doubt that their continued success was helped along by taping games of one division opponent. Even Eric Mangini said something to that effect a few years ago. I hate the Pats as much as the next guy, but spygate is a thing that happened and now it's over. Moving on.

 

Their continued success has a lot to do with having six near-certain wins a year thanks to the crap division they play in.  All they have to do is play .500 ball the rest of the way and they're in the playoffs thanks to the Jets, Dolphins, and Bills.

 

Yes, the Patriots are a good team.  But, they've won zero Super Bowls since they were caught cheating, which says something.  I can admit they're a good team, but I don't have a single ounce of respect for the team, coaches, or their organization.


Edited by tdalton, 14 January 2015 - 08:23 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2015 - 09:25 PM

 

 

I'll take Manning any day of the week over Brady.  He can at least claim one untainted championship.  Brady can't.

People need to get over the spygate thing. 

 

 

No, actually they don't.  The Patriots cheated, end of story.

 

It's also throwing TD passes(2007 season comes to mind) on teams when you have a 5 TD lead late in the 4th-and trading the great Richard Seymour at the end of his career to Oakland was ****ing  cruel. They're just a bunch tools. Good team team though.

 



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 09:27 PM

Yes, there are those things as well.  They are a good team, but not one that is deserving of any respect.



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 09:29 PM

The press here in San Diego started singing this same tune the day after Denver's loss.  I don't think the Chargers have the sack to unseat the Broncos from atop the AFC-W; maybe the Chiefs have a slightly better chance of that.

 

I can't blame wannabees from aspiring for more, but we all know Denver owns the AFC-W, and all others have merely crept from the shadows on occasion to challenge our dominance.  I for one would like to see John Elway visit all the other West team cities in a pope-mobile, and invite them to kneel and kiss the ring, just so everyone in the neighborhood knows their place.

 

Are you with me, my fellow CBners?  STAY CLASSY and GO BRONCOS

You're welcome to own the AFC west divison...just keep loosing in the second round... or that would be the first for a bye team right? :D  :P



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 09:37 PM

I know I know SD lost a couple..calm down. Just kidding.



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 09:39 PM

The Patriots will never (not with Brady and Belichick as the gruesome twosome) have the "Kwan."  No matter what kind of numbers they put up or how many trophies they wrap their slimy hands around, they will never get the respect or community a proper champion is accorded.

 

Honestly, I don't know how the Pats fans can even encourage their own team; if Brady was my QB and Belichick my HC, I'd put my Bronco gear in the closet for a few years and quietly support my hometown team, the world-famous San Diego Chargers.

 

GO BOLTS



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 10:17 PM

Yes, there are those things as well.  They are a good team, but not one that is deserving of any respect.

You're words.