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[tdalton]

 

Yes, there are those things as well.  They are a good team, but not one that is deserving of any respect.

You're words.

 

???

 

I don't understand what you're getting at.

 

I never said Brady was a bad QB.  He'll go down as one of the best to ever play (as will Manning), but he got his rings, in part, because Belichick cheated.  And, if forced to choose one of the two of them for my team, I'd take Manning every time because he's always played the game with integrity, and has played it very well.

Edited by tdalton, 14 January 2015 - 10:22 PM.

[Tarl_Cabot]

The Patriots will never (not with Brady and Belichick as the gruesome twosome) have the "Kwan."  No matter what kind of numbers they put up or how many trophies they wrap their slimy hands around, they will never get the respect or community a proper champion is accorded.

 

Honestly, I don't know how the Pats fans can even encourage their own team; if Brady was my QB and Belichick my HC, I'd put my Bronco gear in the closet for a few years and quietly support my hometown team, the world-famous San Diego Chargers.

 

GO BOLTS

Now you're talkin!

[seawolfnyy]

 

 

Yes, there are those things as well.  They are a good team, but not one that is deserving of any respect.

You're words.

 

???

 

I don't understand what you're getting at.

 

I never said Brady was a bad QB.  He'll go down as one of the best to ever play (as will Manning), but he got his rings, in part, because Belichick cheated.  And, if forced to choose one of the two of them for my team, I'd take Manning every time because he's always played the game with integrity, and has played it very well.

 

Well I don't understand laying all this vitriol on Tom Brady, who is the consumate professional. He always plays with integrity. Belichick is the one who got in trouble for taping defensive signals of one division opponent. Not Brady.

[tdalton]

Perhaps it would be because he plays for the Patriots.  He's also always carried himself as an unlikeable guy. 

 

And, Belichick was doing more than taping defensive signals of one division opponent.  He'd been doing it to everybody, not just the Jets.  He was just caught doing it against the Jets.

[seawolfnyy]

Perhaps it would be because he plays for the Patriots.  He's also always carried himself as an unlikeable guy. 

 

And, Belichick was doing more than taping defensive signals of one division opponent.  He'd been doing it to everybody, not just the Jets.  He was just caught doing it against the Jets.

Well this is getting us nowhere. I suppose it's best to agree to disagree.

[tdalton]

Looks like the coaching carousel made a few stops over the past 24 hours:

 

San Francisco 49ers promote Jim Tomsula to head coach

 

Oakland hires Broncos' DC Jack Del Rio as Head Coach

 

New York Jets hire Cardinals' DC Todd Bowles as Head Coach

 

This leaves the Bears, Falcons, and Broncos without head coaches.  Word is that John Fox will interview, and most likely get, the Bears' job.  Dan Quinn seems to be the front runner for the Falcons' job, if they're willing to wait until his season is over to hire him.  They could do what the Jets did, thinking that they were going to have to compete with the Broncos for Quinn, and move on to their second candidate.  

 

So far, Teryl Austin, the DC of the Detroit Lions, is the only candidate that the Denver Broncos have requested to interview.  Adam Gase has met with John Elway about his future with the organization, including a discussion about the HC job, supposedly.

[The Dove]

Well now... After steadfastly refusing to interview for an interview with any other team, saying he was quite happy to stay with the Baltimore Ravens, Gary Kubiak WILL be meeting with John Elway to discuss the Broncos' open head coaching job.

[seawolfnyy]

Well now... After steadfastly refusing to interview for an interview with any other team, saying he was quite happy to stay with the Baltimore Ravens, Gary Kubiak WILL be meeting with John Elway to discuss the Broncos' open head coaching job.

I'm not sure he's the best option for fixing the Broncos.

[Professor Pi]

Jack Del Rio may prove to be the best Raider coach hire in twenty years.

[tdalton]

If I didn't know better, I'd say that Geno Smith took Russell Wilson's place today.  Three INTs and only one completion a couple of minutes before halftime.  

 

Wow, the Seahawks look terrible.  

 

 

EDIT:  Wow, that was seriously one of the worst playoff games I think I've ever seen.  Neither team deserves to go the Super Bowl after those two miserable performances by the Packers and Seahawks.

 

At the very least, the Packers need to finally make a change at Defensive Coordinator.  Capers has long been the problem with that team, but today that play call on the final play of the game was one of the worst defensive play calls I can remember seeing in a while.  No safety help at all in the secondary, that's just not a smart call.

Edited by tdalton, 18 January 2015 - 11:35 PM.

[Vauxhall]

Fairly ridiculous finish there. Top sport.

[seawolfnyy]

At the very least, the Packers need to finally make a change at Defensive Coordinator.  Capers has long been the problem with that team, but today that play call on the final play of the game was one of the worst defensive play calls I can remember seeing in a while.  No safety help at all in the secondary, that's just not a smart call.

Packers fans have been saying for years that Capers needs to go. He doesn't know how to play against either the run or the read option. McCarthy needs to go as well. His reluctance to ever go on the attack in a game is absurd. His playcalling was atrocious. The Packers were content to run the clock out instead of scoring. The Packers are wasting Rodgers' prime. I also agree that that was not one of the greatest games ever and the Packers lost it more than Seattle won it.

[tdalton]

I think McCarthy's playcalling might have had more to do with Rodger's injury than anything else.  Still, that is the kind of loss that has cost people their jobs in the past, and Capers, at the very least, should be unemployed tomorrow morning.  Calling Cover-0 and then proceeding not to blitz is just stupid.

[seawolfnyy]

The fact that he is still the DC today is baffling in itself. Each of the last 3 seasons, the Packers have been undone by their defense. All in historically horrific performances. Now we can make that 4. After watching Kaepernick score on a 56-yard QB run, that should have been it. Alas, I'm sure Capers will still be coaching the Packers defense next season, which means another 12-4 record and another embarrassing loss in the playoffs.

[tdalton]

I'll be honest, I had no idea that he was still there.  I thought that his performance as the DC the past few years had been so awful that there was no way he's still there.  I can't stand the Packers, so I don't follow them except in the playoffs, and I was surprised to find that he was still the DC.  Just an awful job today.  Even little league coaches know you don't call Cover-0 and then not send anyone.  

[seawolfnyy]

Well I think we can call this one. So early predictions: Patriots vs. Seahawks. Who wins?

[tdalton]

I'm going to have to suck it up and pull for the Seahawks.  Can't stand either team, though.

 

I will say, though, that this AFC Championship Game had better put an end to the media-driven BS that Andrew Luck is an "elite" QB.  He's not.  He's far from it, in fact.  He still has fewer playoff victories than Mark Sanchez does for crying out loud.

[The Dove]

 

A game ready ball from the Patriots' equipment manager!    Seriously, Deflate-Gate?? How rediculous is this sounding??!!

[tdalton]

The Pats just can't help themselves can they? 

 

Not that it would have mattered anyway against that JV team they played yesterday, which makes their newest attempt at cheating even more disappointing.

[seawolfnyy]

A game ready ball from the Patriots' equipment manager!    Seriously, Deflate-Gate?? How rediculous is this sounding??!!

I have an odd feeling that the Colts were just whining cause they got whipped so badly. Wouldn't the officials have figured out NE was doing that long before the game ended?

 

Either way, deflating balls doesn't make up for the grossly inept Colts coaching squad. Did Chuck Pagano purposefully ignore the game tapes of the 3 previous times the Patriots and Colts met? Neither team changed their gameplan and why the Colts didn't is anybody's guess. 3 times the Patriots have crushed the Colts by running it down their throats. Yesterday was the 4th. New England has now rushed for 771 yards and 15 touchdowns in their last 4 meetings with the Colts. The Colts must literally be insane because isn't it the very definition of insanity to keep attempting the same thing hoping for a different result? I have a lot of respect for Chuck Pagano, but both he and the coach from Green Bay who doesn't deserve to be named today, put on textbook clinics on how to lose a football game yesterday. Honestly, it was one of the most embarrassing days in NFL history.

[tdalton]

I think the NFL officials did figure it out before the game ended.  Supposedly one of the game balls was taken out of circulation during the game by whatever the NFL calls the "ball boy" on the sideline and, from what I can tell, that's what is being investigated.

 

I can tell you from experience that a deflated football carries with it a major advantage, especially in inclement weather like the game last night was played in.  As someone with fairly small hands, gripping a football can be very difficult.  If I'm going to throw a football, I always have to deflate it a bit because otherwise I wouldn't be able to grip it.  The NFL has strict standards as to how much the footballs have to be inflated to avoid giving either team any kind of a competitive advantage, and it would be a major infraction if the Patriots are found to have cheated yet again.  I've even heard talk on ESPN that they could lose draft picks over this.

 

Now, that's not to say that this is why the Colts lost yesterday.  It isn't.  It lost because they are an inferior team.  They play in a division that might be even worse than the AFC East, and they just happen to be the least bad team in that division.  They lost because they have assembled no weapons around their mediocre QB and they just didn't seem to want it as much as the Patriots.  Still, that's what makes the cheating by the Patriots even more disheartening.  They don't need to do it, especially against a pathetic team like Indy, yet they do it anyway. 

[The Dove]

http://es.pn/157iYLo

The NFL has found that 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs WERE under inflated..Someone has got some SERIOUS 'splaining to do!

[Tarl_Cabot]

the two most obnoxious teams in the NFL are in the SB....I guess I'll root for Seattle.

Not suprised about the footballs. Billichik will do anything to win...except pay veterans not named Brady.

[Call Billy Bob]

I guess I can take some solace knowing that the Chiefs were the only team to beat both the Seachickens and Darth Brady during the regular season...

[tdalton]

http://es.pn/157iYLo

The NFL has found that 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs WERE under inflated..Someone has got some SERIOUS 'splaining to do!

 

And they were under-inflated by 2 pounds per square inch of air.

 

This cements the legacy of the New England Patriots and Bill Belichick, that's for certain.  They're cheaters and this decade long run of theirs is, at the absolute very best, tainted.  

 

If the NFL could suspend Sean Payton for a full season for insubordination (as he was suspended for Bountygate more for not stopping with the program after being told to stop than anything else) then Belichick needs to face even stiffer penalties as a repeat offender of the league's rules.  It's absolutely despicable that this organization feels it has to cheat its way to the top.  It's not like they really need that much of a competitive advantage anyway.  They never face any competition for their division (for God's sake, they already have the luck of competing against the league's JV division of the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins) and are spotted 5-6 wins a year by those lousy organizations, yet they still feel like they need to cheat.  

 

What's even more disgusting is that the NFL will just sweep this under the rug like they did Spygate.  I guess the footballs will be destroyed just like the videotapes were and Goodell will just slap Belichick and Kraft on the wrist again while alternatively awarding New England the Jets' #6 overall pick for some comparatively innocent comments (albeit still comments that arise to the level of tampering) that Woody Johnson made at his press conference on December 29.

[seawolfnyy]

http://es.pn/157iYLo

The NFL has found that 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs WERE under inflated..Someone has got some SERIOUS 'splaining to do!

. Does this really matter? I mean if anyone actually believes this helped the Patriots win this game, they are insane. People need to get over it.

[tdalton]

Does it really matter if a team cheats in the NFL?  Seriously?  I guess myself and the rest of the non-Pats fans are just "insane" for expecting the Patriots to follow the rules that every other team seems to have no difficulty following.

 

I'm sorry, but people do not need to get over it.  That's the constant refrain we hear out of New England whenever they're involved with something like this.  It's against the rules, but get over it.  By the logic of Patriots fans, we should just look the other way whenever they cheat because "it really doesn't matter" and it wasn't the reason that they won anyway.  I'm sorry, but that logic is just flat out wrong.  

 

Deflating the football provides a major advantage to the team who does it.  I can't stress that enough, especially when there's inclement weather as there was in the AFC Championship Game.  A major advantage.  If Andrew Luck was playing with the same footballs that Brady was playing with (and don't try to tell me that he was, because each team uses their own set of footballs during the game), he wouldn't have looked nearly as bad throwing the ball as he did.  

[seawolfnyy]

It does not constitute a MAJOR advantage. Letting the air out of a ball actually makes it harder to throw. Luck probably would've looked worse throwing a deflated ball. Nor did it help Brady when he missed Gronkowski at the goalline for an interception. The officials inspect these balls before the game and they were declared legal for play. How did the officials miss that? The investigation is not over. We don't even know that the Patriots actively did this. When Lane Kiffin and USC got fined for doing it, it was an assistant that was NOT acting under the command of the team. The bottom line of this game is the Patriots won. The Colts didn't. The Colts will blame the loss on this non-controversy, not the fact that they are just a vastly inferior team with an overrated QB.

[tdalton]

You're wrong in saying that it doesn't constitute a major advantage.  When you let air out of a football, it makes it easier to throw because it's easier to grip.  A ball that is over-inflated, by contrast, is harder to throw because it's harder to grip due to there not being much give in the structure of the football.  I can tell you that I know this from experience.  Tom Brady would also agree, as he said back in 2011 that he likes the football a bit deflated.

 

Yes, the officials check the footballs prior to the game.  The balls were most likely fine then.  But, once the game begins, they are back in the possession of their respective teams.  The Colts use their footballs when they're on offense, the Patriots use theirs.  

 

It's all a moot point anyway, though, because the NFL has certain rules for how much air the footballs are to have in them.  The rules are in place for a reason, and when they're not followed, it's cheating.  It's that plain and simple.  The Patriots get no benefit of the doubt because they've been caught for cheating before.

[The Dove]

Cheating is cheating and that has consequences..