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[Iceskater101]

 

 

I think everyone needs to pipe down about Ray Lewis. I mean no one was there, no one knew what happened... I agree with Cruiserweight. I think people need to stop bringing it up.

Ray Lewis was there.  Ray Lewis knows what happened.

 yeah and you don't so....... I think you need to stop with this now.

Not sure why you appear to be defending the man.  The world puts baseball players and Lance under the microscope for using PHDs but if two human beings are gutted like a fish we are supposed to move past it.

 

 

 

 

 

I think everyone needs to pipe down about Ray Lewis. I mean no one was there, no one knew what happened... I agree with Cruiserweight. I think people need to stop bringing it up.

Ray Lewis was there.  Ray Lewis knows what happened.

 yeah and you don't so....... I think you need to stop with this now.

Not sure why you appear to be defending the man.  The world puts baseball players and Lance under the microscope for using PHDs but if two human beings are gutted like a fish we are supposed to move past it.

It's insane. Just because they couldn't get a conviction, does not mean he didn't do it, nor does it mean we just forgive the man for killing another man.

 

I am not defending his actions.. I am just saying that under the law he was aquitted. So therefore, that's how I am treating the situation as he didn't do the crime that he committed. Am I saying that he is for sure innocent? No, but under the law he is so there we go. I believe he was playing in the Ravens game (obviously) therefore, congratulations to him and he deserved the win.

 

Like I said though, you weren't at the scene. You have no idea what happened you can't sit there and say that he did it because you weren't there... so.

[Hockey Mask]

I don't know if he did it, but at the very least he knows who did.

Edited by 00Hockey Mask, 06 February 2013 - 07:20 PM.

[Iceskater101]

Well of course he knew what really happened he was there. I mean if he did actually do it, than that's really sad that he got off murder and was allowed back into the NFL.. if he didn't do it, then people should stop talking about the whole thing.

 

I am just saying we have no way to know what happened so we shouldn't be pressing judgement on him.

[seawolfnyy]

I can't 100% say he did it. But it is known that he had the victim's blood on his white suit the night the incident occurred. So, as 00Hockey Mask said, he KNOWS what happened and isn't talking.

[Hockey Mask]

I appreciate the back and forth and know we won't land on common ground here BUT it is my responsibility as an American and an NFL customer to pass judgment on Ray Lewis.  He is, at the very least, guilty of not coming clean about a double homicide.  He is supposedly a God loving/fearing man but chooses to ignore all questions about the subject.  He throws religion in my face every time he is on the television and I shouldn't pass judgment?  I think I'd be morally wrong not to

[seawolfnyy]

Well said.

[Iceskater101]

but why should he talk about it? He was acquitted so he actually doesn't have to talk about it.

[Hockey Mask]

but why should he talk about it? He was acquitted so he actually doesn't have to talk about it.

 

Because he is still choosing to be a public figure.

Because two people are still dead.

[Iceskater101]

but he was acquitted.. do you know what being acquitted means? If he is acquitted, then no one should be able to bring it up anymore.

[tdalton]

He wasn't acquitted, though.  He accepted a plea deal in exchange for testifying against those that he was with that night.

[Iceskater101]

Okay fine he wasn't acquitted. I think it's sad how everyone is looking into the past at things when they don't even know what happened.. He wasn't brought to trial so therefore, I am going on the route that he is innocent. If he did really kill those people than that's really unfortunate. I think that event really changed him to become a better man and and an individual and if I were him I would hate that people are asking me questions about something that happened a long time ago and he wasn't even brought to trial for.

 

I am going to end this argument by saying Congratulations to Ray Lewis for his superbowl win because that's what this thread should be about, not questioning his innocence on a possible crime he committed.

[tdalton]

Okay fine he wasn't acquitted. I think it's sad how everyone is looking into the past at things when they don't even know what happened.. He wasn't brought to trial so therefore, I am going on the route that he is innocent. If he did really kill those people than that's really unfortunate. I think that event really changed him to become a better man and and an individual and if I were him I would hate that people are asking me questions about something that happened a long time ago and he wasn't even brought to trial for.

 

I am going to end this argument by saying Congratulations to Ray Lewis for his superbowl win because that's what this thread should be about, not questioning his innocence on a possible crime he committed.

 

Well, to be fair, I don't really have much of an opinion on that whole matter.  The government sorted it out in a way that was satisfactory for them, so for me, that settles it.  Could it be one of those cases where someone in a high place in society gets a certain kind of treatment because of fame or whatever?  Possibly.  It could also be the complete opposite as well.  

 

With that said, I'm not a fan of Ray Lewis.  I was kind of indifferent towards him until he announced his retirement, after which everything the Ravens did or said became solely about Ray Lewis.  I've never seen an athlete, other than Brett Favre, who deliberately attracted that much attention and did as much self promotion at the expense of the "team" than what we saw in this playoff run.  

[Iceskater101]

^ Yeah that's annoying because I remember that happening with Brett Favre and that was getting on my nerves.

[seawolfnyy]

I'm dropping out of this argument. I've said what I wanted to say and I'm out. The draft is coming up in April though....

[The Dove]

I'm saying goodbye to this thread myself....until the draft of course! Meanwhile, I'm focusing all my sports attention on the NBA and my Nuggets and Celtics..(I'm absolutely THRILLED they both put beat downs on the Bulls and Fakers....errr..Lakers last night)

[The Dove]

Right...now that free agency has begun..  I'm currently waiting to see when (and if) orange and blue smoke will emerge from the top of Broncos headquarters to signify the signing of Wes Welker by Denver!! This would be a fantastic move for my Broncos..Like the Baltimore Ravens already blundering away many of their top players, the Patriots also are making a serious mistake by not offering Wes Welker a respectable contract extension..Inside sources say the deal with Denver is almost done...*crossing fingers*

 

 

UPDATE: Deal just became official!! Welker to the Broncos for a 2-year, $12 million dollar deal... *MAJOR FIST PUMP*

Edited by The Dove, 13 March 2013 - 09:03 PM.

[Hockey Mask]

Broncos definitely have a strong two year window to do something strong.

[hcmv007]

NFL Free Agency....so happy to talk about something not basketball related.

[seawolfnyy]

Right...now that free agency has begun..  I'm currently waiting to see when (and if) orange and blue smoke will emerge from the top of Broncos headquarters to signify the signing of Wes Welker by Denver!! This would be a fantastic move for my Broncos..Like the Baltimore Ravens already blundering away many of their top players, the Patriots also are making a serious mistake by not offering Wes Welker a respectable contract extension..Inside sources say the deal with Denver is almost done...*crossing fingers*

 

 

UPDATE: Deal just became official!! Welker to the Broncos for a 2-year, $12 million dollar deal... *MAJOR FIST PUMP*

I feel like I just got sucker punched.

[Iceskater101]

And I found out the vikings traded Harvin I believe? Kind of makes me sad.

[Eric Stromberg]

Damn, Dove.  Check out our Broncos now!

 

Cost or procuring one of the best receivers in the NFL...$12M       Experience of sticking it to the Satanic Patriots...priceless

 

Right...now that free agency has begun..  I'm currently waiting to see when (and if) orange and blue smoke will emerge from the top of Broncos headquarters to signify the signing of Wes Welker by Denver!! This would be a fantastic move for my Broncos..Like the Baltimore Ravens already blundering away many of their top players, the Patriots also are making a serious mistake by not offering Wes Welker a respectable contract extension..Inside sources say the deal with Denver is almost done...*crossing fingers*

 

 

UPDATE: Deal just became official!! Welker to the Broncos for a 2-year, $12 million dollar deal... *MAJOR FIST PUMP*

I feel like I just got sucker punched.

[tdalton]

Cost or procuring one of the best receivers in the NFL...$12M       Experience of sticking it to the Satanic Patriots...priceless

 

 

 

I'm really loving the hypocrisy of Jets fans this week.  Last year all they did was moan about how the roster needed to be purged, and now that John Idzik is doing exactly that, and in the process setting the team up for success in 2014 and beyond, they complain about him doing exactly what they wanted him to do.  

 

I think Idzik is doing a phenomenal job with the Jets.  Managed to get Antonio Cromartie to take a huge paycut to help out the salary cap as well as getting me-first player Santonio Holmes to do the same.  Now he's poised to get at least one 1st round pick for Darrelle Mevi$, and the future is looking good.  David Garrard will stop gap at QB this year, make the team somewhat respectable while they rebuilt until next season when they'll hold potentially two top ten draft picks.  2013 is going to be awful, but the future is looking bright.

[Eric Stromberg]

There's some hope for the hapless Jets, but I'm having a really hard time seeing them turning the ship around with Ryan as the skipper of said ship.  I just do not trust his judgement.  On the upside, the Jets having been sucking it so hard for so long that I gotta believe it's time for them to have some good fortune sometime soon.

[tdalton]

There's some hope for the hapless Jets, but I'm having a really hard time seeing them turning the ship around with Ryan as the skipper of said ship.  I just do not trust his judgement.  On the upside, the Jets having been sucking it so hard for so long that I gotta believe it's time for them to have some good fortune sometime soon.

 

I think that Ryan has earned the right to at least show the new GM that he can get the job done.  He's already the second most successful coach in the history of the franchise when it comes to the playoffs (4 road wins, 2 AFCCG appearances) and turned in one of the best single season W/L records in team history (11-5 in 2010).  For the rest of the NFL, that may not be impressive, but he's done more than most of the other coaches they've hired.

 

Also, I want to see what he can do without Mike Pettine on the coaching staff this season.  It became clear in fan circles last year that Pettine was largely responsible for the circus atmosphere in New York, as it became quite apparent that he was the "anonymous source" that was always cited whenever the media wanted to write bad things about the organization.  I don't think it was ever quite the circus that the media portrayed it to be, and that Rex has a much better grasp on things than the media wants to make it seem that he does.  

[seawolfnyy]

I'm not so sure Garrard is really a stop gap at QB. I mean the guy hasn't played football in like what 3 years? As bad as Sanchez is, I'd take him over someone who has been sitting on his couch for half the time Sanchez has been in the league (granted, he's been injured, but still). As for Ryan, I don't really think the Jets owe him anything. Yes, he went to 2 AFC title games, and had that 11 win season in '10, but he's averaged I think 7 wins the past 2 and has no control over his team. If he can't control them, he will have no success and the Jets should get rid of him. Having said that, as a Pats fan, I enjoy watching the Jets fuddle about and have their own lineman's ass cause them to fumble, so I'm totally fine with it.

[tdalton]

The whole concept of Ryan having no control over the team is a concept that was created by and propagated by the media in New York.  A lot of it had to do with the "anonymous source" that most believed to be disgruntled Defensive Coordinator Mike Pettine, who is now in Buffalo, who leaked information to the media in an attempt to make the whole situation seem worse than it is.  Now that Pettine is no longer employed by the Jets and now that Tannenbaum is no longer presiding over the whole thing, there hasn't been a peep out of the organization.  If Rex had no control over the locker room, I don't think you'd be seeing players such as Santonio Holmes and Antonio Cromartie being willing to accept less money in an effort to help the team be competitive sooner than they would have otherwise.   

 

The fact is, when the general manager of the New York Jets provided Rex Ryan with talent, he took the team to great heights.  You don't accidentally luck your way into three consecutive AFC Championship Games (1 with Baltimore as their DC, the next two with the Jets as their HC).  I also thought that Ryan proved himself to be a quality coach last year as well.  That team had no business winning some of the games that they did (that was a 3-4 win roster that managed 6 wins and also managed to stay in the playoff race in December).  The hung around with far superior teams such as Houston and New England (the first game, one which they would have won if Stephen Hill could catch a football), and absolutely obliterated the playoff-bound Colts.  The head coach can only do so much with the talent that is given to him, and he managed to keep one of the worst Jets teams in history (the 2012 squad) at least somewhat competitive, despite a terrible QB, the worst RB tandem in the league, a squad of receivers that wouldn't even phase a high school defensive backfield, and an offensive line that is getting older by the minute.  

 

Sure, they could fire Rex Ryan, but I would venture to guess that there's nobody out there who could have done a better job the last two years, and there's nobody out there who could do a better job handling the New York media.  I think the perfect coaching staff is in place now for this team moving forward.  Rex Ryan is always going to have a good defense.  The players on that side of the ball are somewhat interchangeable, as the scheme has proven to be effective both in Baltimore and in New York.  Marty Morninwheg will now step in and make the offense infinitely better than it was last season.  He knows how to call plays, run an offense, and, most importantly, he knows how to design one, which was the downfall of Tony Sparano.  Sparano's offense lacked creativity, something that won't be a problem under Morninwheg.  

 

Now, granted, the Patriots are going to obliterate the AFC East this year.  Honestly, it's the worst division in professional sports.  The Jets, Bills, and Dolphins will all be picking in the top 10 of next year's draft, and the Patriots will be picking towards the end of the first round, as they always do.

[seawolfnyy]

That's all true. I would agree that there really is no alternative for the Jets instead of Rex. That said, it is New York and anytime you are in New York, you are on a short leash. It's true of the Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Giants, Rangers etc. etc. All that matters is what have you done for me lately. For that reason, I don't think Ryan will be there a whole lot longer.

[tdalton]

I think that Rex is in a better position to keep his job than a lot of people think.  The one thing that he's going to have going for him is the same thing that the Colts had going for them last year, which is they will have a team full of young players who are hungry to win and who won't have the weight of expectations on them.  Nobody thinks that this team is going to do anything, myself included, but, if they can get the quarterback situation straightened out (there's a possibility that they could have as many as 7 quarterbacks on roster by the end of April's draft), they could end up being a team that is going to accumulate a lot of losses, but also manage to give the teams they play a difficult time in the process.  If Rex can get this team to 8-8, then he's not only saved his job but also put himself in the conversation for Coach of the Year.

 

This is one of the few times that it's actually been exciting to be a Jets fan.  They're actually going about a rebuilding project in the right way.  The usual MO, regardless of GM, was to go after the biggest and flashiest free agents that they could find and try to build a great team through free agency.  Now we've got a GM who has already shown himself to be light years ahead of his recent predecessors.  He stared down the Tampa Bay Buccaneers over the Revis trade and is, at least for the moment, winning that negotiation.  He wants a 2013 first round pick for Darelle Revis and he didn't back down and accept a lesser offer from Tampa Bay when they came in with a 2014 first round pick, which is exactly what Bradway and Tannenbaum would have done if this were being negotiated under the last two regimes.  He's cut a lot of cap space by getting rid of players that are not worth their bloated contracts, and he's done the absolute best he can with a horrible quarterbacking situation (so far has retained Sanchez, Tebow, McElroy, and Simms while adding David Garrard to the mix, and is poised to sign Kevin Kolb in the next day or so).  Someone out of that group will emerge as a serviceable quarterback that will keep the team from being an outright embarrassment.  The main thing, though, is that the ship is running better than ever, there hasn't been a single leak out of the organization since Idzik took over, and the free agents that they are signing are low risk high reward types (Mike Goodson and Willie Colon). 

Edited by tdalton, 15 March 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[Hockey Mask]

Rex is waaaaay overrated.

[Eric Stromberg]

Speaking of overrated...6-year, $108M deal for Tony Romo?  His business manager/agent should get half of it.