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Never Say McClory Again DVD now in release


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#61 DLibrasnow

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 03:46 AM

Blofelds Cat -
Have you ever thought about adding special features to the DVD?

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That too was part of the original grand plan but ultimately doffed for two very good reasons: 1) the oft-mentioned lack of space on a dvdr 2) a dearth of available materials.

A contact in the US, who happens to be a voracious collector of 007 TV promotional materials, has sent me two dvd's full of NSNA related material from the period of NSNA's release. The material covers the range of the usual promotional reviews and appearances by some of the stars.

If an 'extras' disc does eventuate, it is my intent to send a copy to everyone who has donated to my website , up to the point where the new disc is ready, as a courtesy 'gift upgrade'.

It was never the intent that donors would only receive a single gift of gratitude...

We'll see what the dvd-r's hold.

cheers.

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Excellent..I would be interested in picking up that special features DVD.

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 09:17 AM

Btw, who is this Rich Handley who is credited as providing additional music and which cues did he provide?

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Rich Handley, a talented composer who is also a 007 fan, provided an original piece of music for the pre-title sequence that was on the 'pre-title sequence only' version of the web project, "Never Say McClory Again".

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Surely you mean Rich Douglas?

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 09:11 PM

Watched this a couple of days ago. It's an odd thing, seeing a film you know so well given a different atmosphere by the score. I certainly thought the change in music lifted a number of moments in the film and made it feel more like a Bond movie.

#64 Blofelds Cat

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Posted 18 June 2005 - 12:55 AM

Surely you mean Rich Douglas?

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Oh bugger! That's exactly who I mean. A monumental error. And I've deleted the multi-video track sequence of the titles so it can't easily be fixed (although where in the supreme being's name I got 'Handley' from is beyond me).

#65 Tanger

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 02:40 AM

Oh, well. I guess it doesn't really matter as the music's not on there anyway.

Btw, how are the "upgrade" plans coming along? Have you got any cover art yet?

#66 Blofelds Cat

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 09:17 AM

The coverart is in the hands of another. I hope it will be ready within a week. If not, I will resort to plan 'B'.

Ultimately there will be two styles from which to choose.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 03:26 PM

Sounds good. Will you be able to choose both and then make a double sided cover?

That'd be cool.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 10:04 PM

I'll buy all the copies of this abomination and burn them all.

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I'll help and add Kevin to the burning pile :)

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 04:21 AM

Just to add my tuppence worth to the praise for this DVD. I think Blofeld's Cat has, with typical aussie understatement, neglected to mention the amount of work that has gone into this.

Not only did cues and sounds have to be removed but new sound effects added.In the appropriate setting)added and music given the right tone.

Also titles had to be edited out and replaced to look seamless. A mammoth task.

A superlative piece of fan work. And it quite clearly is fan work. To suggest that Blofeld's Cat may face action over this is ludicrous IMO.

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 02:41 PM

To suggest that Blofeld's Cat may face action over this is ludicrous IMO.

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I was just giving what the current caselaw is, not suggesting that anyone actually take action.

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 12:11 AM

For a special features DVD, you may be interested to know that I have the following scripts:

"James Bond of the Secret Service"

"Warhead"

"Never Say Never Again"

Each are surprisingly different from each other, except for some character names. In one draft, Fatima and Domino are twin sisters.

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 12:54 AM

For a special features DVD, you may be interested to know that I have the following scripts:

"James Bond of the Secret Service"

"Warhead"

"Never Say Never Again"

Each are surprisingly different from each other, except for some character names. In one draft, Fatima and Domino are twin sisters.

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That would be so cool to devote a whole disc to onscreen scripts. I've been dyin to read the James Bond of the Secret Service and Warhead versions.

Anyway it could be made possible Blofelds Cat?

#73 DLibrasnow

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 02:50 AM

I'd buy it....errr...I mean donate money to BC's site :)

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 03:49 AM

For a special features DVD, you may be interested to know that I have the following scripts:

"James Bond of the Secret Service"

"Warhead"

"Never Say Never Again"

Each are surprisingly different from each other, except for some character names. In one draft, Fatima and Domino are twin sisters.

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That would be so cool to devote a whole disc to onscreen scripts. I've been dyin to read the James Bond of the Secret Service and Warhead versions.

Anyway it could be made possible Blofelds Cat?

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As I am aware of the potential for unwanted attention from MGM heavies toward the direction of the CBn forum, I'm sure everyone will understand my reluctance to make bold statements regarding a 'special features' NSNA dvd.

So I will merely speculate about the imagined contents of such a disc from this point forward.

If I were in possession of a swag of supplementary materials (e.g. contemporary film review segments, promotional i/v's with Connery, Carrera et al, UK Royal premiere, and/or promotional featurettes) whose combined duration was somewhere between 150 and 180 minutes; and whose image quality wasn't, to use a popular phrase from the 80's, crash-hot, I'd probably be inclined to present the materials on DVD ROM as opposed to DVD Video.

DVD ROM would of course allow significantly more material to be accomodated on a single DVD (due to the removal of the MPEG 1 and 2 strictures) and would be a simple workaround for the PAL/NTSC issue. A DVD Video disc is far more problematic due to its rigid video and audio specifications (even if materials were encoded at half-D1 quality).

If one had the right software, one could even produce a hybrid disc i.e. a disc which contains both DVD Video and DVD ROM content (such as scripts, fully contained websites, audio files etc), the latter only accessible in a computer DVD drive. Remember that the 'V' in DVD stands for Versatile.

As happenstance would have it, I have such a piece of software which utilises the Interactual interface seen in professional discs (ahhhhh, dvd). Perhaps I should use the abovementioned scenario as a test for the ROM software, just as I used the Never Say McClory Again private fan project as test material to put my legit copies of Procoder and DVDLab Pro through their paces.

But as Goldfinger might say, we are speculating wildly.

We shall see what we shall see by (next) week's end.

cheers, all.

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 04:07 AM

I'd buy it....errr...I mean donate money to BC's site :)

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That is very public-spirited of you, DLibra :)

If I told you that all the time and money that is going into the production and shipping of the 'gift of gratitude' is cutting it fine with regard to the amount of the donation being requested, I wonder if you'd believe me.

Always keep in mind that this is a 'gift' which will keep on giving beyond the initial dvd.

Watch this thread.

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 09:44 AM

What about burning DVD-9s? That technology has been making great strides towards the consumer market. You should look into it if only to see how easy it might be for you to do. (Not to mention the HD dvds that are right around the corner. Those will re-write the book on compression specs.)

#77 Blofelds Cat

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 01:09 PM

What about burning DVD-9s? That technology has been making great strides towards the consumer market. You should look into it if only to see how easy it might be for you to do. (Not to mention the HD dvds that are right around the corner. Those will re-write the book on compression specs.)

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While consumer writable DVD-9 is indeed a reality, it is by no means as stable a technology as its commercial counterpart (less so than writable dvd-5 is in relation to its commercial counterpart).

The incidence of layer-change errors on standalone decks is still far too widespread for dvd-9 to be a used as a delivery format. This is the principal reason that I did not not go dl with Never Say McClory Again.

In a hypothetical situation where one would distribute discs around the World, one couldn't wear the costs of replacing discs which exhibit unworkable layer-change errors i.e. locking-up of player on the layer change.

Even if the format were more dependable, there is the cost of dl media (which is still quite high) and the limited amount of available brands from which to choose.

The HD dvd formats (both main contenders) look very promising indeed especially in the area of increased capacity for SD material. In consideration of future developments in home video technology, I have archived the video portion of my project to DV tape to maintain acceptable minimum quality in the SD spectrum. This means that when writable HD dvd formats arrive, I will have a quality source from which to produce an improved dvd, rather than use a heavily compressed MPEG2 stream as the source. All the unmixed audio tracks, 20 of them, have been archived as uncompressed .wav files, direct from the timeline of my non-linear editor for the purpose of one day producing a 5.1 version o the soundtrack (can do that now of course but I don't have the necessary software nor the audio engineereing skills).

Sounds like we both have realised that the days of MPEG2 as a delivery format are numbered - at least with regard to limitations on maximum bitrate.

Exciting times for professional Sad Bastard's like me. :)

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 01:36 PM

For a special features DVD, you may be interested to know that I have the following scripts:

"James Bond of the Secret Service"

"Warhead"

"Never Say Never Again"

Each are surprisingly different from each other, except for some character names. In one draft, Fatima and Domino are twin sisters.

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That's rather fun. Would I be right in thinking you have a large collection of unmade scripts, Donovan? I'm sure I remember you talking about the early version of GoldenEye also.

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Posted 26 June 2005 - 12:58 AM

For a special features DVD, you may be interested to know that I have the following scripts:

"James Bond of the Secret Service"

"Warhead"

"Never Say Never Again"

Each are surprisingly different from each other, except for some character names. In one draft, Fatima and Domino are twin sisters.

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After doing a quick Google search, I found an online facility from where these scripts can be purchased. As this is a legal source, there should be no objections to posting the url for those interested in owning copies of these and other scripts:

http://www.planetmegamall.com/

cheers.

#80 Donovan

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Posted 26 June 2005 - 04:44 AM

Yes I have screenplays, treatments, storyboards, and continuity screenplays for the Bond films. There's some I need to get yet. No one seems to have a script for "Die Another Day", but I saw one go for $80 on eBay (no thanks). I need a final shooting script for "Tomorrow Never Dies", as I have Fierstein's "Tomorrow Never Lies". There's a few others.

In this forum, I have occasionally posted how the script was originally written as opposed to how it was shot ("Diamonds Are Forever") or described how Roger Moore was originally intended to be introduced as Bond in "Live and Let Die" (think "Rome affair"). I find the scripts to often be a very enlightening read and makes you understand/appreciate the films a bit more. Scripts also provide insight as to how certain changes are made practically on set, usually for the better, whether it be dialogue or the order scenes were originally intended to take place.

Another source for scripts is scriptcity.com, and I think their prices are on par with the link provided by Blofeld's Cat...plus you have the option to purchase as a .pdf file and save shipping...which you can put towards the purchase of a new ink cartridge.

#81 Blofelds Cat

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Posted 26 June 2005 - 08:24 AM

For a special features DVD, you may be interested to know that I have the following scripts:

"James Bond of the Secret Service"

"Warhead"

"Never Say Never Again"

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I've just purchased .pdf versions of "James Bond of the Secret Service" and "Warhead".

What's the story with copyright in relation to such scripts?

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 02:33 PM

Excellent suplemental material on the private area Drummond! You've really rewarded us with some great stuff.

I've been wanting to read the JBotSS and Warhead screenplays for ages and now I can. Cheers for that. :)

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 11:57 PM

Btw, who is this Rich Handley who is credited as providing additional music and which cues did he provide?

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Rich Handley, a talented composer who is also a 007 fan, provided an original piece of music for the pre-title sequence that was on the 'pre-title sequence only' version of the web project, "Never Say McClory Again".

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Surely you mean Rich Douglas?

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This unforgivable credit error in the main titles of the Never Say Never Again SE project has been corrected.

Mr Douglas is now given the credit he so Rich-ly deserves.

Mr Handley is one who frequents the alt.fan.james-bond newsgroup, where I am a semi irregular contributor. I can only put the credit screw-up down to the fact that I see the 'Rich Handley' name so regularly that it became almost automatic that 'Handley' followed 'Rich'.

Once again, many apologies to Rich Douglas for the careless error, but he now has his own credit in the NSNA:SE main titles.

cheers.

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 01:14 PM

Received my copy and finally got a chance to watch it last night. I'd like to add my praise to everyone else's. A brilliant job Blofelds Cat. It really feels like a proper Bond film now. The quality of the end product is amazing, considering that you were working only with the finished film without access to the original film and audio elements. Did you do your own foley work?

{spoilers (?) below}

I was initially surprised that you selected some non-Connery era cuts, but grew to appreciate the choices - (e.g. your use of the track from TSWLM during the cycle chase is excellent). I also appreciated your selection for the end credits - I got exactly why you did that. The opening credit track is also an inspired choice - "history repeating" indeed.

Bravo.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 03:37 AM

Received my copy and finally got a chance to watch it last night ...It really feels like a proper Bond film now.  The quality of the end product is amazing, considering that you were working only with the finished film without access to the original film and audio elements.


Overall, a very satisfying project to complete. Always pleased when someone appreciates the inherent difficulties of producing a new soundtrack from an existing one.

Did you do your own foley work?


Didn't do any foley work. All effects were sourced from 'off the rack' soundtrack CD's. The laying-in of the effects account for the largest share of project time.

Even with an extensive sfx library at my disposal, there were some sounds which I couldn't easily replace so had to use unrelated effects instead. For example in the pre-titles sequence the sound of Bond riding across the telegraph wire, flying-fox style, is actually the sound of a jacket zipper. Other situations saw unrelated effects slowed-down, sped-up, reversed or filtered (or a combination of several or all).

All great fun to do and with the greatest humility, I offer myself as candidate for "Ultimate 007 SadArse" for 2005 (perhaps for 2006 as well)

{spoilers (?) below}

I was initially surprised that you selected some non-Connery era cuts, but grew to appreciate the choices - (e.g. your use of the track from TSWLM during the cycle chase is excellent).


The original plan was to have three versions of the composite soundtrack. One comprising only music from Thunderball; another with music solely from the Connery era; and a third featuring at least one selection from every Bond film to date.

This idea was scrapped when I realised just how long it would take to produce just one music track (music editing is a laborious process); and as I had already commenced work on the 'one track from every film' soundtrack, that's the one that features in the final version.

I hope to create the other music tracks in the future but need to distance myself from the project for a few months (I'd make the new tracks available for download so that people could re-author their dvd's to include the new tracks. Broadband speeds make this a viable option).

I also appreciated your selection for the end credits - I got exactly why you did that.  The opening credit track is also an inspired choice - "history repeating" indeed.


Glad my end-credit music choice worked for you. It was the right choice on so many levels, just as History Repeating was the only choice for the main titles on as many levels.

Thanks for your positive comments about the project.

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 08:55 PM

Hello Drummond- I meant to send an email, but just wanted to say that for some reason I can't access the member's area on your site anymore. Is there any reason why?

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 03:06 AM

Hello Drummond- I meant to send an email, but just wanted to say that for some reason I can't access the member's area on your site anymore. Is there any reason why?

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Very likely that you need a new password (which I'll send to you immediately after posting this message).

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 07:07 PM

Hello Drummond- I meant to send an email, but just wanted to say that for some reason I can't access the member's area on your site anymore. Is there any reason why?

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Very likely that you need a new password (which I'll send to you immediately after posting this message).

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Bless your soul. Took a couple of gos, but I'm in now!

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 09:26 PM

I've had some private dialoge with Bloefelds cat and (if he doesn't mind my saying) I've discussed with him at some length the idea of adding a CGI gunbarrel over the Connery walk by. I think it would be a rather novel approach, a nice way to start the special edition. Bloefelds Cat said he'd consider doing it for another edition but that he was going take a short break away from the project. Definitly understandable, I'm sure he gets a dozen requests a week from people who'd like to see it edited to their personal liking.

Ever since Goldeneye, I've always wanted to re-edit all the gunbarrels with the much sleeker CGI gunbarrel. Also on a side note I'd also try do something with the Roger Moore/Timothy Dalton gunbarrel because it seems as though they are walking past a pastel colored backround, very dull!

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Posted 26 September 2005 - 02:10 AM

While I wouldn't be willing to get rid of my normal NSNA copy for this thing, I'd love to check it out. The clips are fun, and seeing NSNA reinvented as an EON-like Bond film is an interesting idea.

Indeed, part of the charm of NSNA is that it is unlike EON, but heck, seeing it just like the EON films would certainly be a different perspective on it.