108 replies to this topic

[DLibrasnow]

I hate to be the voice of reason here but, couldn't Blofelds Cat get in trouble for selling this?

Yes...just like MGM demanded that CBn remove all EON copyrighted artwork from their site, so they can insist that these DVDs be recalled and destroyed.

Its also possible that CBn could get in trouble for advertising a pirated copy of the movie. Under US law CBn is responsible for all posts made on this site (that was determined by a Supreme Court decision two months ago)...

But then thats the reason there are moderators.

[hrabb04]

Wow...your love for Never Say Never Again knows no bounds!

[Blofelds Cat]

I hate to be the voice of reason here but, couldn't Blofelds Cat get in trouble for selling this?

Yes...just like MGM demanded that CBn remove all EON copyrighted artwork from their site, so they can insist that these DVDs be recalled and destroyed.

Its also possible that CBn could get in trouble for advertising a pirated copy of the movie. Under US law CBn is responsible for all posts made on this site (that was determined by a Supreme Court decision two months ago)...

But then thats the reason there are moderators.

Who is advertising? I am soliciting donations toward the not insignificant costs of maintaining my extensive website (which incorporates four individual sites plus a web board/forum).

As a way of showing my gratitude for their generosity, I am sending each donor a copy of a private, fan-produced clip. I could just as easily not send them anything at all because a donation is, after all, a voluntary contribution made with no expectation of reward.

Hope this clarifies the circumstances of distribution.

cheers.

[hrabb04]

Blofeld's Cat, keep doing what you are doing. You are just getting some sour grapes from someone who should know better. You are well within your rights. If you wanna turn your attention now to Moonraker and digitally remove Roger Moore, that could be your next project. Oh, no, DLibrasnow is gonna sic his lawyers on me next!!!

[Tanger]

Copies of the disc can be had in return for a donation to the upkeep of my website.

I know this might sound a bit cheeky but do you still have any of those copies of the TV version of OHMSS kicking around, the ones that you used to provide as gifts. Any chance you could bung one of those in too?

[Righty007]

Oh, no, DLibrasnow is gonna sic his lawyers on me next!!!

DLibrasnow has no intention of anything like that. He only wanted us to be aware that their are laws regarding this type of DVD.

[hrabb04]

Apparently, there's never a cop when you want one, but lawyers are another story.

[Bondian]

As far as I understand the legality's of this. When you join a IPB board, you have to check a box to say that you agree to the TAC's of that site. CBn have more than enough warnings and notices on their sign-up, and their TAC's pages.

This is the default TAC's when you sign-up on an IPB board...

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So, I would say that CBn would be safe because they're not selling or distributing these DVDs themselves. A member here is advertising them for sale, and THEY'RE are solely responsible for any copyright infringement. I mean we get enough Wal*Mart ad's here.

When CBn had the problem with MGM, it was because of copyrighted images being displayed on the site, not because they were reproducing them, nor selling or making a profit.

Really, where does all these legality's begin and end?.

[00-FAN008]

The bad news is that I couldn't remove Kim Basinger from the film.

Next project is to replace music from all EON James Bond films with music from 'Never Say Never Again'. A pointless and fruitless exercise but I feel I owe it to DLibraSnow as recompense for all the anguish my 'Never Say McClory Again' project has caused.

Yes, Kim Basinger is a problem I do have with this otherwise flawlessly executed Bond movie.

I think I need to see this movie.

[DLibrasnow]

Oh, no, DLibrasnow is gonna sic his lawyers on me next!!!

DLibrasnow has no intention of anything like that. He only wanted us to be aware that their are laws regarding this type of DVD.

Yes thank you Chris. I was just making people aware of the US laws that surround this issue. Personally it makes no difference to me who gets taken to court, or what actions result from any action on CBn.
Really, hrabb. If you are aware of any caselaw that contradicts my information. Please post it instead of taking cheap shots like "DLibrasnow is going to sic his lawyers on me" or "your love of "Never Say Never Again" knows no bounds." Really, I'd like to hear the caselaw you are aware of, so share with the group here.
On the other hand the Supreme Court here in the US recently held that terms and conditions do not protect a site from material posted by its members.
Our department had a seminar last Friday from our legal department and a free speech specıalıst from the University of Maryland that covered much of this and I made zencat aware of it in a PM (since he is a moderator I felt someone should be aware of it). It now appears that I should have instead put it out there for the general membership.
The Supreme Court decision has made it now necessary for a number of sites to have moderated posts before allowing them to be posted on a site. If you need too hrabb I can forward an article in the LA Times to you that includes discussion of the Courts ruling.

[hrabb04]

Well, Dlibrasnow, since you were apparently born without a sense of humor, I'll spell it out to you right now that I am kidding. Most of the I post here is meant to kid or tease because there's a helluva lot of you here who take this stuff way too seriously. In this case, I am poking fun at your love for Never Say Never Again. I have never heard of someone who loves that movie that much. Now if my posts offend you, I really don't give a . You're an adult, live with it. Don't take any of this so seriously. I sure as hell don't.

[cvheady007]

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG???

Seriously, folks, let's look at this for what it is: a FAN PROJECT...I don't think I love anything enough that it couldn't be spoofed and I could at least co-exist with it in the world. I think the 1967 Casino Royale is a bastardisation and we should turn our focus towards seeing it done right...with Pierce, of course instead of taking potshots at each other!

[DLibrasnow]

On the contrary. I think hrabb and I get along - for the most part. I just don't joke around when it comes to certain things.

[00-FAN008]

Well, Dlibrasnow, since you were apparently born without a sense of humor, I'll spell it out to you right now that I am kidding.  Most of the I post here is meant to kid or tease because there's a helluva lot of you here who take this stuff way too seriously.  In this case, I am poking fun at your love for Never Say Never Again.

Hey, I can relate to Dlibrasnow. You shouldn't blame him for retaliating to your poking-fun-of of Never Say Never Again. Sometimes even I find it especially hard to take criticisms, whether they are mock or not, to something I enjoy that everyone else seems to hate. It's frustrating, especially when you seem to stand alone in your opinions. For instance, when people make fun of movies that I like, I tend to get highly pissed off. But that's just me.

[cvheady007]

I totally agree; I don't personally have a problem with the project, nor with anyone's convictions. Let's just keep the peace and show respect - we are all on this board for a reason and it's not to have our likes and dislikes ripped on.

[DLibrasnow]

Thanks for the support 00-Fan008, I appreciate it. Personally though my post was not motivated by a need to jump to NSNA's defense but rather to make people aware of some information that I (concidently) had been made aware of on Friday.
Our newspaper is looking at having a site (not unlike CBn) and my bosses wanted to know what legal caselaw had been established regarding bulletin boards (such as CBn). I felt it was worthwhile enough to forward the information to zencat on this board and Bondian as well as other admins and moderators on other sites.
Thankfully the response has been positive with most of the people thanking me for taking the time to make them aware of what I had picked up at the seminar.

[Blofelds Cat]

For people in the US to watch PAL DVDs their DVD player would need a PAL-NTSC converter included. Most region-free DVD players come with the converter included anyway.

At this very moment, my stressed PC is crunching away on an NTSC conversion of my Avid timeline. This will delay the sending of the disc, by 36 hours, to those from the USA who have made donations.

cheers.

[Blofelds Cat]

I totally agree; I don't personally have a problem with the project, nor with anyone's convictions.  Let's just keep the peace and show respect - we are all on this board for a reason and it's not to have our likes and dislikes ripped on.

Well of all the forums to which I subscribe, this one still remains the most civil.

I have not taken the slightest offence at anything that has thus far been written in this thread by anyone.

I can say, with 100% certainty, that DLibrasnow bears me no personal grudge nor have I ever considered our interchanges to be anything more than they are - the healthy exchange of opinions, good-natured digs and good advice.

cheers.

[marktmurphy]

If you wanna turn your attention now to Moonraker and digitally remove Roger Moore, that could be your next project.

I think you'll find that digitally adding Roger Moore to every movie made will be a much more worthwhile use of your time!

[DLibrasnow]

I can say, with 100% certainty, that DLibrasnow bears me no personal grudge nor have I ever considered our interchanges to be anything more than they are - the healthy exchange of opinions, good-natured digs and good advice.

Precisely...and I am impressed with the work that BC has done.

Thats one of the things that is really great about CBn. People can discuss and disagree with other members and know that they will not be maliciously ridiculed (unlike some other Bond forums I could mention).

[Blofelds Cat]

Blast and tarnation! The moderator has locked the, "EON's make-over of Never Say Never Again" thread.

At 4,496 views, it was only 337 views short of taking the views record, insofar as the Film Eras > Sean Connery section goes, from the now-locked "Best Sean Connery James Bond Film" (4,832).

It's the little things in life that give the most satisfaction.

[marktmurphy]

Well, I got my copy and it's great fun- I watched it all last night. There are some choices I don't entirely agree with (personally I wouldn't have put any David Arnold in and the title song doesn't quite fit for me), but it generally works very nicely, and there are some genuinely 'that's perfect!' moments- Bond being seen by Fatima outside the window; Algy stalking Bond with the pen; the hovering rocket transports and many others. It's a great thing to see although it doesn't quite hold together as a movie and it can feel as though you're watching a film with the stereo on if you know the cues well, but it's a great piece of work and made me very happy. Lovely menus as well.

P.S what was the cue as Largo shows Domino her new home in Africa? Couldn't place it at all.

[Tanger]

I received mine yesterday and agree with what you've said Mark. On the whole it works but there are a few bits of music that seem slightly out of place, mainly the cues that quote title themes. Not sure about the choice for the end titles either.

Btw, who is this Rich Handley who is credited as providing additional music and which cues did he provide?

[Blofelds Cat]

Btw, who is this Rich Handley who is credited as providing additional music and which cues did he provide?

Rich Handley, a talented composer who is also a 007 fan, provided an original piece of music for the pre-title sequence that was on the 'pre-title sequence only' version of the web project, "Never Say McClory Again".

I had intended to include a fourth soundtrack option which would have featured Rich's bit of music but I couldn't fit it on the dvd without compromising the image quality any further than it already is.

By the time I realised that the fourth audio track could not be accomodated, the titles and title sequence video tracks had been mixed down into a single track of video.

I figured that my choice of end music would not be as popular as I would otherwise hope. But the sentiment of the lyrics is perfecly appropriate to end the final Connery Bond; and by using a different version, the song is divorced from its immediate association with 'another' face of 007. As for the segue from the modern version of the song to the original, that was a sentimental touch which was put in specifically for my lovely wife, Janice.

(Haven't mentioned the song so as to preserve some 'newness' for those who are awaiting the arrival of their disc's.)

cheers.

[Blofelds Cat]

Well, I got my copy and it's great fun- I watched it all last night. There are some choices I don't entirely agree with (personally I wouldn't have put any David Arnold in and the title song doesn't quite fit for me), but it generally works very nicely, and there are some genuinely 'that's perfect!' moments- Bond being seen by Fatima outside the window; Algy stalking Bond with the pen; the hovering rocket transports and many others. It's a great thing to see although it doesn't quite hold together as a movie and it can feel as though you're watching a film with the stereo on if you know the cues well, but it's a great piece of work and made me very happy. Lovely menus as well.

Mark, your brief and well-observed remarks will probably turn out to encapsulate the thoughts of the majority.

I think it's realistic to say that the only listener who will like all the music cues is me, due to music being an entirely personal thing. Even in an isolated Bond soundtrack there will always be tracks that some like while others hate.

For me, the choice of the title song was the only one to make.

But, as you say, the NSNA:SE is a bit of fun and if you are 'generally' happy with the film then it's no bad thing.

P.S what was the cue as Largo shows Domino her new home in Africa? Couldn't place it at all.

If you are talking about the exterior as Bond and Domino look at the castle, it's track 3 from FRWL, "Meeting in St Sophia". This segues into the LeGrand's music on the original NSNA film track (not all LeGrand's music was bad).

[marktmurphy]

But, as you say, the NSNA:SE is a bit of fun and if you are 'generally' happy with the film then it's no bad thing.

Oh, I'm more than happy- it's a great piece of work. Well done.

P.S what was the cue as Largo shows Domino her new home in Africa? Couldn't place it at all.

If you are talking about the exterior as Bond and Domino look at the castle, it's track 3 from FRWL, "Meeting in St Sophia". This segues into the LeGrand's music on the original NSNA film track (not all LeGrand's music was bad).

A-ha; very good. I must say I did wonder as that piece seemed to fit the visuals so incredibly well- now I know why!

[Gri007]

For Her Majestys Eyes Only, i thought was better then the original FYEO pre title sequence. It is how it should have been. Linking the two actors who portrayed Bond together making him as one. It also seemed more emotinal.

[DLibrasnow]

Blofelds Cat -
Have you ever thought about adding special features to the DVD?

[Blofelds Cat]

Blofelds Cat -
Have you ever thought about adding special features to the DVD?

That too was part of the original grand plan but ultimately doffed for two very good reasons: 1) the oft-mentioned lack of space on a dvdr 2) a dearth of available materials.

A contact in the US, who happens to be a voracious collector of 007 TV promotional materials, has sent me two dvd's full of NSNA related material from the period of NSNA's release. The material covers the range of the usual promotional reviews and appearances by some of the stars.

If an 'extras' disc does eventuate, it is my intent to send a copy to everyone who has donated to my website , up to the point where the new disc is ready, as a courtesy 'gift upgrade'.

It was never the intent that donors would only receive a single gift of gratitude...

We'll see what the dvd-r's hold.

cheers.

[Blofelds Cat]

For Her Majestys Eyes Only, i thought was better then the original FYEO pre title sequence.  It is how it should have been.  Linking the two actors who portrayed Bond together making him as one.  It also seemed more emotinal.

Glad you liked the clip. As fans, we have more respect for characters, situations and continuity than those for whom Bond is merely a cash cow.

It does no harm to speculate about what might have been.

cheers.