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[Qwerty]

Frankly I don't think Batman will decide anything for Bond--it just happens to be about to be released at Bond decision time.

My thought as well. As they are still two different characters and such, I doubt Eon will look too far into the reaction of it if that is a path they are to take with Casino Royale.

Still, who knows what will really happen?

[tdalton]

I think that I'll take this opportunity to try to make myself more clear, because I don't think I really got my point across.

I'm not saying that Batman Begins will or will not decide the path that EON takes for Casino Royale. I do think, however, that the success or failure of Batman will show what the market would be for the reboot of a major film franchise. If Batman is a big success, it will show that there is a market for the rebooting of a successful film franchise. If it bombs, then it will show that there may not be that big of a demand or a market for the rebooting of a major film franchise.

If Batman is a big success, then maybe Wilson and Brocolli will feel better about the direction that they're supposedly taking Casino Royale in. If it flops, then maybe they'll be a little more cautious about going down the reboot road. Not saying that it would make them do a complete turn of face and go back to a standard 007 film, but it might make them be more careful with the idea than they might have been originally.

I think that it's interesting that we're expecing an announcement sometime in mid June, as Martin Campbell will have had time to give his input on the Bond casting decision by that time, and this all is happening around the same time that another major film franchise is set to be rebooted. It's probably just a coincidence, but MAYBE there's more to it than that, or maybe not.

[ACE]

I hope you'll all be too relieved to be angry at us for the scare.

"Anger leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side"

"We are all just prisoners here of our own device."

Boy, the rumourmill takes it out of me!

ACE

[007 Agent]

I doubt there are any credible younger candidates. If there were a few younger Pierce Brosnan types out there we would all know. So I guess there aren't so it's back to the drawing board for Eon.

[Seannery]

I'll bet anything one of the 20 something actors Eon is discussing is Matthew Goode and if they go the young Bond route(I still don't think they will and shouldn't!)he could very well be the next 007.


Any comments from Cbn mods on whether Goode is under consideration? I think he is.

[Bondesque]

The early 20s actors for Bond are probably for a flashback sequence or that there may be some geniune actors who may be that young but who also look older or classically mature like Connery and LAzenby did.

Most likely a flashback.

I respect Zencat and wouldn't figure him to throw out falsities. That said, I think everyone is in the dark aboutthe next 007!

[Seannery]

The early 20s actors for Bond are probably for a flashback sequence or that there may be some geniune actors who may be that young but who also look older or classically mature like Connery and LAzenby did.

Most likely a flashback.

I respect Zencat and wouldn't figure him to throw out falsities.  That said, I think everyone is in the dark aboutthe next 007!

You could possibly be correct.

[hrabb04]

I bet the novel adaptation part is where the flashback comes into play, with it being his true first assignment. After that, it's some time later, and our well traveled and seasoned spy oo7 is out tracking Le Chiffre's organization down.

[007 Agent]

I'll bet anything one of the 20 something actors Eon is discussing is Matthew Goode and if they go the young Bond route(I still don't think they will and shouldn't!)he could very well be the next 007.


Any comments from Cbn mods on whether Goode is under consideration? I think he is.

Seannery,

When I think of Matthew Goode I don't think rugged, masculine James Bond; I think non-threatening, attractive, but skinny college guy. Can't see much or any Bond masculinity to him. Think Lazenby's Bond fighting on the beach, Connery's Bond fighting the guy in Goldfinger's pre-credit scene, Moore's fighting Tee Hee in the train - we need someone like that. That is a decent benchmark when considering Bond candidates. I can't see Mr Goode being that tough as Bond but hey, he's an actor and it's all about acting the part, right? But I can't see much Bond masculinity to this guy....



I hope he isn't chosen as Bond should look tougher. Bond is licenced to kill, not look like a former school prefect.

[007 Agent]

I know I am going to get slated for this but what the hell...

I do find it hilarious all these actors are mentioned as candidates when 99.9% look nothing like James Bond. Seems Bond mark#6 has become metrosexual and girlie. Yuck. Whatever happened to the blunt instrument of the state? No disrespect to Mr Goode and his acting ability, I'm sure he is a decent actor, but he looks as dangerous as a wet paper bag! LOL

[tdalton]

Matthew Goode as James Bond? I don't think so. Maybe in 15-20 years, but now, I can't see it happening. If it does, though, it would be a travesty.

[007 Agent]

I hope someone at Eon Productions reads this....


I believe Eon can search every English speaking actor out there, I bet none are right for Bond. When I say right, I mean match up to Brosnan - and that is what's required because the movie-world's last Bond was Brosnan so the new guy is going to be compared to him. Just the way it is.


Eon must know the are no realistic British candidates with Goran Visnjic said to be a serious candidate. Goran Visnjic is Croatian. So there we are, Martin Campbell wants a Croatian as Bond.


Eon is learning the hard way there is no realistic candidate for Bond. Forget young Bond, it could be middle-aged Bond - makes no difference how old the next Bond is as there is NO ACTOR ALIVE that will compete in looks, charm, grace, to Brosnan's Bond. It's so obvious. It's an unknown in the Lazenby mould or no Casino Royale.


It's that clear-cut. Unknown like Lazenby or no Casino Royale. Sony and Eon have to realize this. No point kidding themselves some young English actor is out there and will be a worthy successor to Mr Brosnan - trust me, he doesn't exist. Welcome to be proven wrong but I doubt it.

Time to face the harsh truth, folks.

Edited by 007 Agent, 30 May 2005 - 11:35 PM.

[007 Agent]

Here's the fatal flaw with the casting....

Joe Smith, an up-and-coming actor, is cast as Bond. Looks nothing like Brosnan circa Goldeneye. Looks not much like the other Bonds neither, but what the hell, he is cast. Well done, Joe. Now people go to the cinema, buy a ticket and wait for the film to commence...

They sit through all the adverts, the trailers, suffer that annoying kid in the row in front that's eating incessantly and yet to choke on his popcorn and finally the film starts and we see the new Bond walk from right to left and fire at the screen. The circle fades into the first scene and we see the new Bond and Mr and Mrs movie-goer say:

"Ergh, he's not as nice looking as Brosnan, is he?"

That's it - the new Bond is screwed. Why? Because at a subconscious level every Bond fan - be they hardcore or casual - is going to compare Joe Smith's Bond with Brosnan's and if he looks less appealing he's in trouble. This is why Daniel Craig as Bond was such a non-starter and that is why Eon Productions and Sony can get out there casting book and search every English, Welsh, Irish, Commonwealth actor for someone to rival Brosnan's look, his Bond grace, his charm but they won't find him. The fact we know Goran Visnjic is being considered is proof of that. Never would Visnjic be considered if Eon had a really strong candidate. Can you imagine if Brosnan Junior was on the scene Eon would consider Visnjic? Never in a million years would he get a look-in. So we see how Eon is clutching at straws, at the mercy of Sony Pictures, the studio that wants the film out next year so it can make some money from Bond.

Bond fans shouldn't live in denial or assume there is a natural replacement for Brossy, why should there be? Most actors don't look like Brosnan or the other Bonds - just the way life is. How many actors have Roger Moore's charm, Connery's masculinity? Not many. Eon will have to surrender to Sony and cast some candidate no-one really rates or they'll have to risk the franchise on a Lazenby unknown. There is no other way because all this talk of a younger Bond is meaningless when none of the candidates even looks the part, let alone can act it. Sorry to be so negative but best to be honest. If people think I am wrong, please find me this 20-30 year old actor with looks comparable to Brosnan, with Bond-type charm and masculinity? It's kinda absurd to even think such a guy exists.

Actors don't become actors to play Bond - they do so to act. Bond requires a specific type of man, let alone a specific type of actor, and I am prepared to wager with Eon Productions, Sony Pictures Entertainment and CBn there are no English speaking actors alive today that will rival Brosnan or any of the other Bonds. We live in a metrosexual era - the era of Connery, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan type actors is long gone.

There is no young Bond candidate, we're just deluding ourselves to think there is. Eon can keep looking but they won't find him, I'd bet on that.

Edited by 007 Agent, 31 May 2005 - 12:16 AM.

[tdalton]

Why? Because at a subconscious level every Bond fan - be they hardcore or casual - is going to compare Joe Smith's Bond with Brosnan's and if he looks less appealing he's in trouble.

Not ALL hardcore fans are going to subconsciously compare the new guy's looks to Pierce Brosnan's. I couldn't care less if the new guy is better looking than Pierce or not, just as long as he looks like a believable James Bond and can act, something that Pierce Brosnan certainly had trouble with.

[KB 007]

I'm not sure exactly how old Matthew Goode is. He went from 21 to 26 to 29 on IMDB in about one year. On another website in an interview he said he was 26, so I'll go with that one. (It was a while back, so he could be 27 be now.)

007 Agent, so basically Goode is TOO old and TOO masculine according to the producers (if this rumor is true).

[DLibrasnow]

How many people compared Roger Moore's looks compared to Sean Connery's?

[zencat]

007 Agent, so basically Goode is TOO old and TOO masculine according to the producers (if this rumor is true).

Who said a 26-year-old would be "too old" to be considered? I would say anyone between the ages of 20 and 40 could be our next Bond. And where in this report did we say anything about masculinity?

Seems like every time I look into this thread I see you trying to re-characterize this report, KB.

Where's our spokesman, Seannery?

[Bondian]

Hey, I've just thought. Matthew Goode looks a little like one of CBn's founders Daniel 'Blue Eyes' Dykes. LOL

Last I heard, Daniel was doing well on the acting front, so ya never know.

Maybe 'our' insider if Daniel.

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[Seannery]

Matthew Goode as James Bond?  I don't think so.  Maybe in 15-20 years, but now, I can't see it happening.  If it does, though, it would be a travesty.

Actually I agree with you guys that I don't want a 20 something--i'm just saying if they go that risky route that Goode could very well be among those they are looking at. And as Zencat says they are looking at older ages too--let's hope they come to their senses and pick a normal age Bond.

[spynovelfan]

There is no young Bond candidate, we're just deluding ourselves to think there is. Eon can keep looking but they won't find him, I'd bet on that.

But Moomoo, you were the one who spent three thousand posts telling us they should be looking for an unknown!

Sorry - I know this is dull - but could I just ask one more time: is there any point whatsoever in CBN banning this guy when he keeps coming back? Either tell us he's banned and ban him properly, or tell us he's not banned, in which case I'll waste my time posting somewhere else. This troll will continue to post provocative but aimless points such as the ones he has already on this page, ie there are 'no English-speaking actors alive today' who could rival any of the other Bond actors, he's prepared to wager - ! - with Eon, Sony and CBN about it, and so on. A certain amount of navel-gazing circuitous bollocks I can handle - hell, even contribute to! - but this guy, as you all know, has effectively cripped alt.fan.james-bond and unless you ban him he will tie this place up again and recast us all in his occasionally amusing but mostly extraordinarily infuriating image. Up to you, of course, but I can't really see the advantage of you letting a known troll who you've already banned several times from continuing to post here. If someone can break the site's terms and conditions, get banned and then keep returning, the terms and conditions are meaningless.

Sorry for the dullity. But am I really the only one who wishes a ban meant a ban?

[ACE]

"Dullity" is a word?!

It's like that Robin Williams skit on British policemen without guns:
"STOP! Or I'll ... say "stop" again!"

Perhaps some piranha pool therapy may not go amiss for the miscreant!

Good point well made SpyNovelFan!

ACE

Edited by ACE, 31 May 2005 - 08:12 AM.

[Bon-san]

With you, spy.

[Pussycat]

How many people compared Roger Moore's looks compared to Sean Connery's?

Exactly! There have been 5 Bonds in the past, all liked to different degrees; I think people will watch a new Bond when he is chosen and base their assessment on his abilities to act, entertain and charm, and take care of deadly world threats; not on whether he is exactly a copy of a previous Bond.

Bond has been around 40 years; the public knows he will change from time to time. We're not that dumb.

As far as the post regarding there isn't an English actor out there who can replace Brosnan...that's a bit over the top, isn't it? Every Bond has been replaced, eventually.

Two Words- Adrian Paul

[Forever007]

A 20s something 007 may work if they are closer to 30 than 20. If they want to go younger then why not Jack Davenport who has a very youthful, but yet Bondian look to him. He's 31 so he could have a nice long run as 007. EON should go no younger than 28. Then again you never know who is out there that could do a good job that is much younger. Keep in mind Timothy Dalton was offered Bond at age 24 after Connery retired the first time. Dalton would have been great for a long time and much better than Lazenby or Moore.

[DLibrasnow]

007 Agent - your views would hold a lot more weight if Brosnan was the first actor to play James Bond - but he's not.

There have been five actors playing 007 in movies (six if you count Nelson and lets not even talk about 1967s CR) and some of Connery and Moore's films were (inflation adjusted) even bigger than Brosnan's most successful effort.

[tdalton]

There is no young Bond candidate, we're just deluding ourselves to think there is. Eon can keep looking but they won't find him, I'd bet on that.

But Moomoo, you were the one who spent three thousand posts telling us they should be looking for an unknown!

Sorry - I know this is dull - but could I just ask one more time: is there any point whatsoever in CBN banning this guy when he keeps coming back? Either tell us he's banned and ban him properly, or tell us he's not banned, in which case I'll waste my time posting somewhere else. This troll will continue to post provocative but aimless points such as the ones he has already on this page, ie there are 'no English-speaking actors alive today' who could rival any of the other Bond actors, he's prepared to wager - ! - with Eon, Sony and CBN about it, and so on. A certain amount of navel-gazing circuitous bollocks I can handle - hell, even contribute to! - but this guy, as you all know, has effectively cripped alt.fan.james-bond and unless you ban him he will tie this place up again and recast us all in his occasionally amusing but mostly extraordinarily infuriating image. Up to you, of course, but I can't really see the advantage of you letting a known troll who you've already banned several times from continuing to post here. If someone can break the site's terms and conditions, get banned and then keep returning, the terms and conditions are meaningless.

Sorry for the dullity. But am I really the only one who wishes a ban meant a ban?

I agree 100%. Excellent post

He's been doing the same things over on IMDB where they will not ban him for some reason unknown to the rest of us over there who want to seriously talk about Casino Royale.

[rogermoore007]

Sorry for the dullity. But am I really the only one who wishes a ban meant a ban?

I actually agree with you this time spynovelfan, a ban should mean a ban and that's not a dull point at all. (no matter how you say dullity )

[Jim]

I'll bet anything one of the 20 something actors Eon is discussing is Matthew Goode and if they go the young Bond route(I still don't think they will and shouldn't!)he could very well be the next 007.


Any comments from Cbn mods on whether Goode is under consideration? I think he is.

Seannery,

When I think of Matthew Goode I don't think rugged, masculine James Bond; I think non-threatening, attractive, but skinny college guy. Can't see much or any Bond masculinity to him. Think Lazenby's Bond fighting on the beach, Connery's Bond fighting the guy in Goldfinger's pre-credit scene, Moore's fighting Tee Hee in the train - we need someone like that. That is a decent benchmark when considering Bond candidates. I can't see Mr Goode being that tough as Bond but hey, he's an actor and it's all about acting the part, right? But I can't see much Bond masculinity to this guy....



I hope he isn't chosen as Bond should look tougher. Bond is licenced to kill, not look like a former school prefect.

He looks like MooMoo.

[tdalton]

He looks like MooMoo.

Don't insult Matthew Goode like that. I'm not sure that he deserves that. (Granted, he's nowhere near being the best looking guy around or anywhere near the best candidate for Young Bond)

[zencat]

Dark Horizons has an exclusive interview with Julian McMahon. Check out this paragraph in regards to the topic:

As for his future, it may or may not include stepping into the shoes of one James Bond 007. "I think there is a bunch of people who are in consideration with the Broccolis and Sony. I think that they have to define exactly what they want to do with the character, as there were talks of it going younger and talks of it staying the same age or going slightly younger, so I think it just depends on what they want to do.

You'd think they would know by now what they wanted to do.