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[Bondian]

Thank you my friend.


I agree with your views on Connery and Moore. At least they showed some respect and dignity towards the opposite sex. Now it's just a case of 'eat my face', now what's for lunch?.

Agreed. The romanticism has been lost in Bond lately. Certainly Connery and Moore had the Bond kiss down pat, but lately it's just as you described, Bondian.
As for Clive, I've only seen him kiss Rosario in Sin City. Though it fit the movie, it wasn't quite what I'd call Bond like.

[spynovelfan]

Can't quite see how Owen's to blame for Brosnan's kissing technique! I also think you need to watch a few of the Moore films again: there's plenty of cheesy chat up lines followed by casual sex, and his kissing technique is hardly shy or romantic, but as everyone knows is more like a puffer fish trying to devour a stingray while playing the trumpet. It's most unsightly, and terribly unconvincing. While you're there, try watching a few Connery films as well. His Bond's cover is rarely as strong as Brosnan's ornithologist (or Moore's journalist), and he simply has to snap his fingers before leaping into bed with a woman. To criticise the Bond films because there's sexual innuendo and they haven't heard of safe sex seems to me to be missing the point of the films in spectacular fashion.

I also think it's a bit silly to say that Owen' kissing in another film fitted the film but wasn't Bond-like, as if that meant anything. What should he do, then? Kiss everyone in every movie as though he were Bond? That would be called 'really bad acting' in my book. He's playing another part. I repeat: pointing out parts in which actors are playing radically different characters from Bond and saying they show they can't be Bond is pointless. Go for the films in which they play characters who are a little like Bond, and see if they work in those. Ie in 1994, anyone saying Pierce Brosnan would make a very good Bond and might even be quite dark in the role based on his performance in THE FOURTH PROTOCOL would be talking sense. Anyone replying 'Ah, yes, but did you see him in that trash LAWNMOWER MAN? Totally unBondlike!' would be talking cobblers.

Come *on*!

[007 Agent]

I'm sure Babs and Michael have an instruction manual which they show to the new Bond actor and it explains in lovely pictorial detail how to kiss one's co-star.

[Bondian]

Can't quite see how Owen's to blame for Brosnan's kissing technique! I also think you need to watch a few of the Moore films again: there's plenty of cheesy chat up lines followed by casual sex, and his kissing technique is hardly shy or romantic, but as everyone knows is more like a puffer fish trying to devour a stingray while playing the trumpet. It's most unsightly, and terribly unconvincing. While you're there, try watching a few Connery films as well. His Bond's cover is rarely as strong as Brosnan's ornithologist (or Moore's journalist), and he simply has to snap his fingers before leaping into bed with a woman. To criticise the Bond films because  there's sexual innuendo and they haven't heard of safe sex seems to me to be missing the point of the films in spectacular fashion.

He-he. The whole post was to be taken as tongue-in-cheek, and I wasn't blaming Owen for Brosnan's kissing technique. I'm getting at the modern films in general that are to blame.

Oh, I agree with your point on Connery and Moore's kissing, but if you look at the two actresses that I quoted, they're of a much older era that the 1960' or 70'.

I also think it's a bit silly to say that Owen' kissing in another film fitted the film but wasn't Bond-like, as if that meant anything. What should he do, then? Kiss everyone in every movie as though he were Bond? That would be called 'really bad acting' in my book. He's playing another part. I repeat: pointing out parts in which actors are playing radically different characters from Bond and saying they show they can't be Bond is pointless. Go for the films in which they play characters who are a little like Bond, and see if they work in those. Ie in 1994, anyone saying Pierce Brosnan would make a very good Bond and might even be quite dark in the role based on his performance in THE FOURTH PROTOCOL would be talking sense. Anyone replying 'Ah, yes, but did you see him in that trash LAWNMOWER MAN? Totally unBondlike!' would be talking cobblers.

Come *on*!

Again my friend I cannot see how I was comparing what Owen would be like kissing a girl in a Bond film. I was talking in general about how the modern kiss has changed.

I've noticed however, you haven't picked me up on Clive's voice. Do you think he has the right tonal quality's for Bond?.

Cheers,


Ian

[Seannery]

AICN posted that Miramax has now OFFICIALLY stated that Sin City 2 will be released in the Summer 2006. If Clive Owen is in this(and I think he will be since sequels mostly always bring back the main actors) then with Inside Man and Children of Men this would FINISH Clive as a Bond candidate. He will be working through Bond filming. This reaffirms what Clive said when he said he had 3 films lined up and is all booked out with regards to Bond. It looks to me as if Clive was never asked to be Bond by Eon as this thread indicates. He had an interest but no offer so he took other film offers with the very probable acceptance of Sin City 2 being the final nail in the coffin of his Bond hopes. For whatever reason Eon never gave him an offer. Clive Owen as Bond #6 RIP.

[trumanlodge89]

well if he was offered/ really wanted it, he could certainly back out of any of those projects.

[tdalton]

AICN posted that Miramax has now OFFICIALLY stated that Sin City 2 will be released in the Summer 2006.  If Clive Owen is in this(and I think he will be since sequels mostly always bring back the main actors) then with Inside Man and Children of Men this would FINISH Clive as a Bond candidate. He will be working through Bond filming. This reaffirms what Clive said when he said he had 3 films lined up and is all booked out with regards to Bond.  It looks to me as if Clive was never asked to be Bond by Eon as this thread indicates.  He had an interest but no offer so he took other film offers with the very probable acceptance of Sin City 2 being the final nail in the coffin of his Bond hopes. For whatever reason Eon never gave him an offer. Clive Owen as Bond #6 RIP.

Finally, we can put "Owen for Bond" to rest. He would have been great, but at the same time, I'm kind of relieved that he's not going to get it. He's not the type of person that EON would want in their employ, as he is a selfish, ego centric person who doesn't care the least bit about his fans, his coworkers, or anyone else not named Clive Owen. EON has already worked with people like that before, namely Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan, and apparently have grown tired of the hassles that go along with working with someone like that, which is evident by the fact that they fired Brosnan.

Personally, I don't think that he ever was interested in the role. That interview where he said that he wanted the role offered to him came off as sarcastic and another stab at his fans that he has become famous for during this whole search for a new Bond.

I think that Owen, despite how good he could have been in the role, would have become a cancer within the EON offices in a similar way to how some feel George Lazenby was during OHMSS, and that the production would suffer because of it.

[Seannery]

Though I don't want him as Bond I think you are too hard on Owen along with Pierce and Sean too. To judge them personally with only knowing them through the media is a shaky proposition. And with Connery and Brosnan and conflicts with Eon--how do we know what really went down. It is entirely possible that Eon could be AT LEAST partially to blame.

[tdalton]

It is entirely possible that Eon could be AT LEAST partially to blame.

Of course, it is possible that EON is partially to blame, and they probably are, but they're the ones holding the power, so if they perceive someone to be difficult to work with, then that person isn't going to be around much longer. An actor can't continue on with a role if he isn't on good terms with those who hold the rights to the role.

[Seannery]

It is entirely possible that Eon could be AT LEAST partially to blame.

Of course, it is possible that EON is partially to blame, and they probably are, but they're the ones holding the power, so if they perceive someone to be difficult to work with, then that person isn't going to be around much longer. An actor can't continue on with a role if he isn't on good terms with those who hold the rights to the role.

Well Yes, of course Eon decides who continues to be Bond though I think Sean quit on them. I'm just saying to judge those who we don't know and weren't there when all this was going on is just too much guesswork.

[Qwerty]

[Edit]

Thought better of it, eh Qwerty?

Changed my mind.

[tdalton]

I wish that people would stop asking Clive Owen about James Bond. It should be blatantly obvious by this point that he won't be Bond because he's too booked up and the probability that he's not the least bit interested in the role. His comments regarding wanting to be 007 come off as being so sarcastic that it maks it sound like he really DOESN'T want the role.

[Martin Mystery]

I have a strange feeling, when the official announcement comes at the press conference ...when Michael or Babs says: "Please meet the new James Bond", and the curtain rises -- it will be... Clive Owen.

MM

Edited by Martin Mystery, 04 June 2005 - 07:47 PM.

[trumanlodge89]

but when will that press conference be? ill just be excited to know something is getting DONE on this movie.

[Martin Mystery]

Good question.

MM

[trumanlodge89]

well tuesday is the seventh. why not then?

[Qwerty]

but when will that press conference be? ill just be excited to know something is getting DONE on this movie.

Well just something to keep in mind from the CBn Feb'05 Dossier:

"Word is Sony wants Martin Campbell to wrap work on The Legend of Zorro by mid-June and start pre-production work on Casino Royale immediately. Sweet!

Until next time..."

So maybe some time around then if those dates hold up to stay true?

[Martin Mystery]

...Maybe 07.07. is the date??

MM

Edited by Martin Mystery, 04 June 2005 - 08:08 PM.

[Qwerty]

Sounds good to me.

[Martin Mystery]

Yes. It's even a thursday; As you know, Eon likes to announce things on thursdays

MM

[zencat]

but when will that press conference be? ill just be excited to know something is getting DONE on this movie.

Well just something to keep in mind from the CBn Feb'05 Dossier:

"Word is Sony wants Martin Campbell to wrap work on The Legend of Zorro by mid-June and start pre-production work on Casino Royale immediately. Sweet!

Until next time..."

So maybe some time around then if those dates hold up to stay true?

This is just speculation on my part, but I believe this means Campbell will start directing the final screen-tests around this time (which I now think has been pushed back to mid-July). I mean, who else would be directing these tests if not the director? So unless they're are already in negotiations with some star who they don't plan to test, I don't see a decision being made until the end of summer or later. And then factor in the time it will take to work out contracts, and it could be late Fall or Dec before we learn who's going to be Bond #6.

[Pussfeller]

I have a strange feeling, when the official announcement comes at the press conference ...when Michael or Babs says: "Please meet the new James Bond", and the curtain rises -- it will be... Clive Owen.

MM

I have the same feeling. I'm not dead-set on Owen (I wouldn't mind terribly if someone else were cast), but I still think he's one of the most likely (if not the most likely) candidates for the part.

[Martin Mystery]

He's so likely it almost hurts.

MM

[Seannery]

I have a strange feeling, when the official announcement comes at the press conference ...when Michael or Babs says: "Please meet the new James Bond", and the curtain rises -- it will be... Clive Owen.

MM

MM you are just saying this because your man Luds is so insistent that Owen was offered the role--and that's a mighty thin basis.

[Pussfeller]

Sorry, but who is "Luds"?

[Qwerty]

but when will that press conference be? ill just be excited to know something is getting DONE on this movie.

Well just something to keep in mind from the CBn Feb'05 Dossier:

"Word is Sony wants Martin Campbell to wrap work on The Legend of Zorro by mid-June and start pre-production work on Casino Royale immediately. Sweet!

Until next time..."

So maybe some time around then if those dates hold up to stay true?

This is just speculation on my part, but I believe this means Campbell will start directing the final screen-tests around this time (which I now think has been pushed back to mid-July). I mean, who else would be directing these tests if not the director? So unless they're are already in negotiations with some star who they don't plan to test, I don't see a decision being made until the end of summer or later. And then factor in the time it will take to work out contracts, and it could be late Fall or Dec before we learn who's going to be Bond #6.

Damn. Knew it would be later than they had previously said.

[tdalton]

Damn. Knew it would be later than they had previously said.

It could also be possible that Brocolli, Wilson, Pascal, and Campbell have already agreed on an actor without having to go through a lengthy screen testing process. Maybe Wilson or someone at EON did some preliminary screen testing from which they were able to come to some kind of consensus. I don't know how these things work, but I don't see why this couldn't happen, either.

Either way, I think that they have some idea of who they want and have been in contact with a couple of people they have it narrowed down to. I have a feeling we'll know by July.

[Qwerty]

I have a feeling we'll know by July.

I hope so.

[tdalton]

I have a feeling we'll know by July.

I hope so.

It should be said that the guess of July is just a guess on my part. Sorry, but I have no inside information.

[Qwerty]

Guesses are about as good as it gets right now.